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Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.
Whew, i’m juuuuust lovely enough at shitposting to avoid the OP. :cool:

Also, maybe there should be some bar exam info on the first page,. Pretty big rite of passage that gets talked about on the reg, and i just want another opportunity to brag about buying the old books off ebay instead of paying for barbri.

Edit: maybe another thing to discuss early on in this thread is which law school courses are actually useful when practicing law years later and/or most worth devoting attention to in the moment. 1L legal research and writing is, despite being graded pass/fail, probably number 1 by a wide margin.

Unamuno fucked around with this message at 07:54 on Aug 8, 2018

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Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.
Love when opponents append unserved FRCP 11 countermotions to their oppositions. Gotta cherish those opportunities to write "haha look at how dumb these dummies are, they can't even be bothered to scratch the surface of this circuit's Rule 11 case law or even read Rule 11 itself" replies and oppositions.

Unamuno fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Aug 13, 2018

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

Nirvikalpa posted:

He only wants to do corporate law for the money. It doesn't seem law otherwise interests him at all.

He should pull the trigger on dropping out now to reduce the chances of pulling the trigger of a loaded gun pressed against his temple later.

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

blarzgh posted:

Got a good one.


Another lawyer in my firm represents an HOA; Plaintiff was a landscaping company that botched a job, walked off, and is now demanding payment. Plaintiff sues for breach of contract.

First set of discovery request to P, Request No. 1: Please produce the contract.

In the instructions: "The Contract" shall have the same meaning as the term in Plaintiff's Original Petition.

Objection: "The request is vague, overbroad, unduly burdensome, calls for a legal conclusion, etc..."

Every other request after that, same objections, copy/pasted. No docs produced. Same objections to every interrogatory, every request for admission.

Attorney drafts a very cordial, direct letter, which goes through each objection, asking for the legal and factual basis of the objection. Sends it, asks for a conference call.

On the phone today:

Our Attorney: "Ok, so can we get a copy of the contract?"
Opposing Counsel: "Look, we said you can come inspect it[at their office in another state]."
OA: "I know you did, and we can argue about that later, but can you not even scan me in a copy so I know what the contract your suing on is?"
OC: : "No."
OA: "Ok, then. Can we talk about your objections to see if we can avoid having a motion to compel? Lets start with Request 1 - you say the request for the contract is 'vague.' Could you explain that to me?"
OC: "Well its vague. How do i know what contract you're asking for??"
OA: "In our instructions, it says the contract is the contract you refer to in your petition. I'm not seeing how thats so vague you can't, in good faith, respond to the request."
OC: "Well then you're just plain stupid. And if you file a motion to compel, we WILL be asking for our attorneys fees. Take care."
*click*

Winning more in discovery sanctions than their putative claim is worth sounds like a fun side quest in this game.

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

Tipps posted:

I have been asked for legal advice re: how/whether to discipline the disruptor, and what to do about the ghost-fearing employees.

IIRC regular ol' belief in ghosts isn't covered by Title VII, so is the advice to prank him real good before firing him or what?

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

Kalman posted:

What’s uncommon is full time (c)/(tm) litigators.

Yep, because of people like me, whose soft IP practice boils down to repeatedly telling the employees of deep pocketed clients, “no, you cannot use [piece of soft IP] without permission.”

Edit: also c&d’s and licensing agreements, which also prevent soft ip litigation from happening

Unamuno fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Aug 26, 2018

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

mastershakeman posted:

I had my first ever panic attack last night dealing with career & money stress, I don't know how people who deal with this commonly get through their days

By being too fearful to pull the trigger on a suicide attempt? Also, drugs.

evilweasel posted:

coffee hasn't hit yet, what's so hosed up about this
I was also confused. Guess it speaks to our superior competence that we can’t even conceive of filing a brief without the cover page, TOC, etc. :hfive:

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

Dr. Kyle Farnsworth posted:

Longtime lurker, very occasional poster.

So I have no legal experience (mainly I lurk the thread to see how drunk and broken I would've become had a young me gone to law school because he's "good at writing" and "likes arguing") but have worked in random legal-adjacent fields like bail bonding (seriously) and collections and process serving. I'm out of work and randomly fired a resume at a state job for a Trial Assistant with the prosecutor's office in Bumfuck, Louisiana because it sounded interesting. They called me today and want me to interview and I figure city/county job in Cajun country sounds boring but also extremely weird and depressing, so right up my alley.

Tips for impressing a prosecutor's office staff? I know the words to "With Catlike Tread" but that's more of a pirate song. And maybe AR can tell me how she likes her jackboots licked?

Also, the Jew question, do I mention my wife's Jewish right away or slip it in towards the end?

Ask for Mr. Ayak, he works at the prosecutor's office in Louisiana and will hook you up.

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/lawyer_is_suspended_for_flashing_gun_at_deposition_other_appalling_behavior

guy who got suspended for flashing his gun at a deponent posted:

I always carry a gun because I’m an attorney and people don’t like me.

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

EwokEntourage posted:

Loving the parenthetical in paragraph 120

Based on ¶¶ 131 - 132, I offer my future condolences for when this Unsworth guy's lawyers gently caress this up.

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

Oops, I guess I assumed the plaintiff was a public figure and that negligence would be unimportant. Turns out that he may not be a public figure and therefore i am the dumb one. Serves me right for cultivating enough self-confidence to be smug.

Unamuno fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Sep 18, 2018

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

Adar posted:

Is there a lot of caselaw on what qualifies someone as a public figure?

I would have assumed he isn’t and also have been smug for the completely opposite reason, but I really have no idea.

I do a decent amount of defamation defense so my idiotic assumptions are particularly inexcusable...or would be if this were legal practice instead of just vomiting words onto the forums.

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.
Sov-cit pro-tip: don't use the wrong font when trying to forge the court's electronic filing stamp. Also, include a time with the date.

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

Hot Dog Day #91 posted:

So, who billed on Thanksgiving? Americans only please.

Would have, but in the hospital.

Not unrelatedly, anyone have experience with Chapter 7?

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

Nice piece of fish posted:

I'm drunk at a party and silosophysin.

Probable cause (or lack thereof) is a non-issue here. Mostly.

Did you drink yourself all the way to America or something?

Edit: or to the Dick Wolfiverse?

Unamuno fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Nov 25, 2018

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

Discendo Vox posted:

Might as well ask the pal why they think it happened, then? Perhaps P's attorney was affected by the case, or it was something the clients expected?

Judges aren't robots, appealing to their emotions can be a winning tactic. Especially when they're elected. We had a similar stunt pulled on us when plaintiff's counsel invited (non-party) mass shooting survivors to give statements in a hearing regarding public records related to the mass shooting. After having his heart-strings yanked for a while, the judge gave plaintiff unconstitutional relief in an order which was subsequently vacated by the state supreme court.

Unamuno fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Dec 17, 2018

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

imagine going out of your way to file a defamation suit in one of like a dozen jurisdictions with a decent anti-SLAPP statute :allears:

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

Look Sir Droids posted:

So could this Covington case be subject to Anti-SLAPP? Cause lol.

Discovery in this case gonna be lit. lol if they think they're going to bully Bezos in to settling.

Apparently there's no Anti-SLAPP statute in Kentucky, which is unfortunate. Regardless, I too look forward to Bezos's legal team absolutely laying waste to these parasites.

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:

Thanks friends.

How many of you lawyers are happy?

How many of you are in public defense?

How many of you would do something different if you could hop in a time machine?

Not professionally, which bleeds heavily into personally.

No.

Yes, but only with the benefit of clairvoyance.

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.
The average person anally ingests 8 spiders per year during sleep.

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

Look Sir Droids posted:

I expect no more than 60 days house arrest for any of the rich folk parents. Some probation. A speeding ticket fine.

yeah man when you really think about it their only "crime" is loving their children too much.

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

blarzgh posted:

Not ONE of you fuckers warned me that the Storm light Archives series was more than three books, much less that ITS NOT EVEN FINISHED YET

:lol: at being in this profession and also reading for pleasure. Or doing anything for pleasure (other than drugs) to wriggle free from the anhedonia and mindless perseveration, for that matter.

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

nm posted:

Imagine being an attorney and thinking you're morally superior.

ftfy

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

GrandmaParty posted:

Got seated at the Goon table at Lote's wedding. Unamuno and his wife are cool people and remind me to message you when I'm in town December 19.

You got it, bud. Great to meet y'all too. Goon tables are the best tables.

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

Vox Nihili posted:

Incredible news for our august vocation!

Kim Kardashian Plans To Become Lawyer, Will Take Bar Exam In 2022

https://abovethelaw.com/2019/04/kim-kardashian-plans-to-become-lawyer-will-take-bar-exam-in-2022/

Didn't even realize you get a "100" on law-related tests other than the MBE, but maybe that's because I am a T10 snob.

Also i seem to recall taking civil procedure as a 1L, but again that might just be due to going to one of those fancy pants "ABA Accredited" schools.

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

Pinky Artichoke posted:

thankless discipline with no growth path

Are you sure you didn't already go to law school?

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.
anyone else have experience with having a big ol' mental breakdown and wandering the earth like kane from kung fu? thinking of giving that a spin, even though i've never seen that movie and am only quoting pulp fiction like a poseur.

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

Lote posted:

Doesn’t this open up the DA to a bar complaint? What recourse is there if the DA does something unethical or illegal?

What exactly is the state bar going to do to overcome absolute prosecutorial immunity?

AFAIK there is literally no civil recourse if a DA does something unethical or illegal while performing his or her duties. As for criminal recourse, you'd have better luck getting a lycanthrope jury to convict a wolf for sheepslaughter.

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

joat mon posted:

A State Bar's disciplinary process is not in the nature of a tort against the State or a tort against a prosecutor in their official capacity as prosecutor.

That's a good point that, as a pessimist and moron, i completely overlooked.

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

Hot Dog Day #91 posted:

One WEIRD trick to win your defamation case.

JUDGES hate him!

appeals aside, lol @ having to litigate a defamation case beyond a rule 12 or anti-slapp mtd

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

Phil Moscowitz posted:

I have one that I can’t possibly discuss that looks to be going to trial in September. Can’t do an anti-SLAPP motion because our statute requires the speech to be about a “public issue” and our Supreme Court has interpreted that extremely narrowly. I tried removing it because the claim was initially hundreds of thousands of dollars but it got remanded based on a $75k stipulation. Then I tried for MSJ but the trial judge has said in open court that she never grants summary judgments (she sure didn’t grant mine). So here we are. And yes it is absolutely lol-worthy. The facts are completely ridiculous. I wish I could get into details. It’s similar to the Hulk Hogan/Gawker poo poo.

Brutal. Good luck. I can relate to barreling toward a trial that shouldn't happen, it just hasn't happened to me with defamation yet, prob just jinxed it though.

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

Toona the Cat posted:

6 essays, with one being a PA Performance test which is writing a memo/brief/letter in a closed universe.

200 MBE

Essays are weighed 55/45 to MBE.

The essay topics are likely to overlap with MBE topics. So I focused on getting as close to 100% on the MBE as possible and essentially punted on everything but the very basics of the esoteric, rarely-asked-about-in-essays subjects (e.g. commercial paper and secured transactions).

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.


I'm thinking that last number's going to rise as practicing law becomes increasingly depressing (and decreasingly lucrative) in the post-truth, post-rule-of-law era.

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

Lote posted:

Children in concentration camps is institutionalized child abuse. We know that from studying Eastern European orphanages that children that grow up in those conditions are less intelligent, get behind on development both intellectually, socially and motorically (? Think walking / talking), develop mental illness/personality disorders which results in higher crime, more substance abuse, etc. etc. There is no argument in favor of them because it starts from the premise that we will inflict this upon children who are separated from their caregivers.

The research also says that these effects are the worst on children aged 6 months to 24 months. This effect is permanent and correlated with time, so the damage is done

I cannot stress how terrible this is for young children. This policy will be viewed worse than Japanese internment camps by future generations.

You say this like you expect Republicans to think these are bad things.

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

El_Elegante posted:

I get around this by being deeply stupid AND hating everyone

This but unironically. Welcome to the wonderful wonderful world of being a litigator.

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

EwokEntourage posted:

who was the lawyer posting about the USMC and sentencing? The Gallagher guy got found not guilty on most charges but was convicted of "wrongfully posing for an unofficial picture with a human casualty." and I'm wondering what the sentence for that looks like

A trip to the White House to receive his pardon and his medal?

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

Vox Nihili posted:

Juul's wrath descends upon some hapless citizen-peasant:

https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/c8pnn4/i_was_served_by_juul/

I love the comments and responses here. Get a lawyer! If you can't afford a lawyer hop in a car and drive to Virginia! Time to take out a few payday loans! Hope you don't lose your lovely job!

Wow, time to boycot juul over this outrage.

sike *takes massive hit off co-worker's juul to get the stimulant kick required to get legal work done, as well as a 45-second break from the all-consuming depression*

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

GrandmaParty posted:

Vegas is amazing, even if you don't like gambling or prostitution.

1) The food scene is ridiculous. There are some amazing restaurants to be had. Places like Cirque and Guy Savoy for you high end boys and places like Lotus of Siam for people who enjoy holes in the wall. Although Lotus is nice now, which makes it less fun.

Some recs: Bazaar Meat at the SLS, Bacchanal for the sheer ridiculousness of it, Lotus of Siam or Le Thai or Lamaii for Thai (seriously some of the best I've had and I've been to Thailand).

2) Kiss minigolf at the RIO is ridiculously fun and stupid.

3) You can carry booze with you everywhere so long as it's not in a glass container. I carried around a suitcase of tallboys with me on one trip.

4) The people watching scene is unmatched. You're going to see some poo poo.

5) The shows are ridiculous. Strongly recommend Absinthe.

6) If you do decide to gamble, do it downtown. Definitely make some time to go downtown. It's completely different than the strip.

7) Chandelier Bar at the cosmo for drinks.

poo poo, I neglect this thread for two days and I miss the only two topics I can contribute to.

Quoting GrandmaParty because I agree with his post the most out of all the Vegas tourist takes.

gently caress eating on the strip as a general rule, but Bacchanal (Caesars) is prob the best buffet, followed by Wicked Spoon (Cosmo). It's at most a $50 lyft round trip from the strip to pretty much any restaurant in the valley, and you'll easily make that up if you go to the right spots.

gently caress drinking on the strip as a general rule, unless you're gambling and getting them for free (by which I mean $1, don't not tip).

Absinthe is great, worth it to splurge for the VIP seats if you like being inch away from the acrobats and being the target of roast comedy.

Prostitution is not legal in Clark County. While there are obviously plenty of sex workers around, the black market means that you're just as likely to get scammed or robbed as you are laid.

If you're going to purchase marijuana at a dispensary, do some research and try to buy from one of the dispensaries that is not currently wasting its money on hopeless litigation against the state (and passing the anti-savings along to the customers).

Edit: yes, also, come downtown...it's where the courts and the lawyers are!

Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

evilweasel posted:

uh drinking a hilariously oversized frozen drink walking around the strip is perhaps the best thing to do in vegas
If you want to pay for it, sure. You can get the same oversized novelty drinks for cheaper (and see even more/crazier eccentrics) downtown, but you do you, playboy.

Nice piece of fish posted:

I love how getting a chance to talk about the US is bringing you people out of the woodwork to yell about buffets and drink. Guess it's not just us norwegians that do that.

I am by no means complaining though, it's actually loving great to get you people's perspective on what's actually cool to do in the US. It's basically the ultimate prep for travel, getting tips from locals has led to some of the best experiences of my life abroad.

If my local perspective keeps just one of you from getting beaten and robbed by a pimp, it'll all be worthwhile.

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Unamuno
May 31, 2003
Cry me a fuckin' river, Fauntleroy.

mastershakeman posted:

To all euros: ignore American food, go see our sweet national parks instead. Black hills/Badlands area, Rockies, Utah's crazy poo poo, grand Canyon, Yosemite, Yellowstone, all of it is awesome and a lot of it is very close to Vegas if you're flying there

Of these, only the Grand Canyon, Utah's crazy poo poo (Bryce & Zion), and maybe Yosemite are reasonable drives from Vegas. Death Valley is also a reasonable drive from Vegas.

If you plan on camping in Utah, avoid the national parks (especially if you have dogs) unless you enjoy waiting a dozen hours to camp within a few feet of several dozen other outdoorsy dipshits. Instead, hit up the Dixie National Forest, where there is generally no wait for spots, lots of room, and no rangers telling you and your dogs to gtfo.

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