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Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Jack2142 posted:

My stance is Trump will die of a stroke after screaming like a baby about Don Jr or Kushner being prosecuted.

You're implying that Trump cares about either of them.

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Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

https://twitter.com/dick_nixon/status/1061018315768954880

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007


Rosenstein: "please take this burden from me. Trump keeps subtweeting me and leaving signed pictures of himself in my car. It's driving me insane"

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

It is nice to see the third way finally getting ousted, since they don't believe in or care about anything.

Crow Jane posted:

I feel like voting for Trump to send a message to the DNC is functionally the same as "pretending" to be racist to get out of jury duty. Even if you were doing it ironically, that stink's still on you forever.

What kind of monster turns down the opportunity to serve their country through a jury trial :911:

Lightning Knight posted:

Oh I'm sure the DNC would love to try and gently caress around as they did last time, I just think your idea that specifically Joe Biden is going to definitely win in a primary field of 20+ mostly establishment candidates is laughable, cheating or no cheating.

Honestly I have no idea how 2020 is going to go for the Dems, especially with how crowded it is, and most of the obvious frontrunners have tons of baggage.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

freckle posted:

who would expect a quisling to stand up to a fascist?

Macron regularly compares himself to a king, so quisling isn't the term I'd use. More like "upstart monarchist".

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Your Taint posted:

You mean most of yours don't end up in nuclear hellfire like mine do? For shame.

nuclear missiles are only for cowards that can't afford metal gears :smuggo:


Smeef posted:

Nonprofit means gently caress all, too, though. Execs can still make millions. Efficiency can still be awful if not worse. Just no one’s getting dividends or capital gains.

There's also the split between nonprofits and not-for-profits. Neither group pays taxes and can spend salaries for permanent employees; not-for-profits are allowed to take that payment out of fundraising income, while nonprofits can't iirc.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Hollismason posted:

There's also the issue that racist groups have basically infiltrated the gaming community and are using it to recruit new members as well as spread their ideologies.

Not just racist groups; you can find extremist orgs like ISIS pulling members from there too. It's all about being able to slice off loners and disaffected youth, since they're the most susceptible to being indoctrinated.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

nine-gear crow posted:

Deutsche Bank is the bank Trump does all his money laundering through :ssh:

Everyone does money laundering through Deutsche Bank, if you haven't noticed; they've gotten dinged a couple times for laundering cartel and mob money too.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

It's nice to see some pushes from the left for the Dems. Their complacency has gotten pretty bad and a lot of them have forgotten what their jobs are supposed to be. Hopefully this trend continues.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Bubbacub posted:

Blankenship really should just gently caress off. The story of how his money really started the erosion of politics in WV always makes my blood boil:


"And for the Sake of the Kids" :rolleyes:

He's an awful narcissistic piece of poo poo. Thankfully he's dumb as poo poo and bad with his money.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/1062733342267850754

The Glumslinger posted:

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1062781457758871554

One of the few remaining California Republicans will be in charge of herding Republicans for the next few years

Not super surprising, McCarthy has been groomed by Ryan for a while now and was his choice for the leadership position.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Wicked Them Beats posted:

lol that there are people still giving money to the FRC


Pretty sure the timeline required for a reconciliation bill has already passed, unless I misunderstand the process (this is very possible). Didn't they need to start six to eight weeks ago if they were planning one?

They had until October. We're in a new fiscal year and a reconciliation bill can't be put forward until the budget is drawn up.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007


This is an intensely creepy and hosed up Twitter post, good Lord.

Posting creepshots to own the libs

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Jaxyon posted:

Maybe but also she's one of the earliest members other the progressive caucus so they are basically her people.

Like, people are really buying into some bullshit on Pelosi if they're surprised she is putting progressive caucus people in power.

There's a bit of a difference between them being her people and her saying she'll put them on appropriations and ways and means., because those two are the most important committees in the entirety of the US government. It's a major, major victory for progressives.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007


A+

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Have you guys already forgotten about the news story that broke where a former dod guy casually admitted that they have some poo poo they found that can't be damaged by currently available weaponry?

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

If you want specifics it's a bicameral legislature with an independently elected head of state and an appointed judiciary. :v:

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007


Good, I'm glad. She was terrible and homophobic.

Edmund Lava posted:

He brings in a ton of cash for Democrats. He’s good at that, but that isn’t at all what he Senate Minority Leader is supposed to be.

He's able to leverage that into a leadership role. I'm not sure who would replace him if he died / retired / was voted out, though. Durbin, maybe? or Van Hollen. None of the 2020 runners are going to look for that spot if they're angling for the big chair, so that cuts down on the viable candidates pretty heavily.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Ague Proof posted:

Dan Crenshaw, the cuddly fascist.

SNL made a tepid joke about his eye-patch and because he lost his eye killing brown kids, all the media corporations demanded SNL apologize and they did. He went on the show, normalizing him.

You feel like SNL isn't in favor of this at this point, after Trump and Crenshaw.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

I wonder how many people here have actually been to WV.

Lightning Knight posted:

For the people in the cheap seats.

Bold your posts if you're gonna start probating for these things please.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Condiv posted:

i'm from oklahoma and i still wouldn't vote for a xenophobic dem here

the idea that red states should have racist, sexist, and xenophobic dems is p disgusting

There's no ground support for Dems in a lot of these states and they feel cast aside by the Dem leadership. Like, Ohio, for example. The national party has left them swaying because the neoliberal platform they love so much has severely damaged the state and they have zero interest or plans to deal with it. Brown is popular in Ohio because he gives a poo poo and is trying to make things better there. Byrd loving annihilated everyone who tried to challenge him in WV, primarily because he rode so hard in diverting funds and jobs to the state. It's a lack of interest from the party writ large that is the problem and something that needs to be changed if you want to see more left-y people in Congress from the rust belt states.

Oh if Pelosi gets house leadership back she should absolutely be bombarded by people asking for earmarks back.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Data Graham posted:

That movie was like being slowly fellated through an american flag

Bah, that's just a myth about Orthodox Patriots.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007


Lol that's an incredible article, how incredibly tone deaf.


Wicked Them Beats posted:

Third World Quarterly

Goddamn change that journal name ASAP

:eng101: the original usage of the term "third world" is to describe countries that aren't involved with either Comecon or NATO, hence the journals name and focus.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Wicked Them Beats posted:

Yes I know the origin, I have a BA in Political Science I paid too much money for, thank you very much. :colbert:

Many of the so-called third world nations preferred terms like Non-Aligned (India led this movement IIRC). And beyond that "third world" has become a more-or-less derogatory term in modern parlance. They should probably update the name to something slightly less Cold War era. Especially if they're going to be running articles about how these dumb poor countries should just invite rich white bankers back in to run things. It's a bad look all around.

I love that we have so many polisci posters here (send us jobs please we're dying)

Yeah. I think you're going to get your wish tbh, that article was so loving bad that it looks like there might be a big shake up in the magazine

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Saladin Rising posted:

An ironically appropriate story for Thanksgiving:
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1065526167720026112

Dr. Jones, no!

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Oh yeah atmospheric aerosols have been considered to be an emergency measure for a long time. I've also heard that we've gotten artificial trees up to snuff so we might start seeing those be deployed as well.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Unkempt posted:

Pretty sure non-artificial trees have also been shown to be viable, perhaps more of them too.

Yeah, obviously you want to keep trees around, but artificial trees can hit somewhere like a metric ton of CO2 a day, and if you combine that with a good use for the carbon and enough trees we could put a significant dent in CO2 release into the atmosphere. My understanding is that we could combine that with other green initiatives and we might be able to even lower co2 in the atmosphere.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Squalid posted:

What is an artificial tree?

Artificial trees are devices made out of extreme carbon-phillic materials and storage tanks to wick away co2 from the air and store it in tanks. Like condensed trees, if I'm understanding it correctly.


BrandorKP posted:

A handy sized vessel burns about 25 to 30 MT (metric tons) a day, a panamax probably about 35 MT. Now that doesn't straight convert one would have to do the stoichiometry, which I can do but ehhhh.

Anyway just handy bulk carriers there are 2000 + sailing. I believe the last time I checked there were over 6000 bulk carriers of over 10000 DWT (dead weight tons) . There are also containerships, roro ship, and they aren't included in that number. Just to give a general sense of scale of the marine transportation portion of climate change.

Sea transport is a pretty serious problem since you can't convert it to electricity, they're basically stuck with fossil fuels forever.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Party Plane Jones posted:

dear loving god until mcafee finally eats his own dick i'm gonna have to ask people stop posting his insanity

it ain't USPOL and it ain't news and we really don't need to know his sexual fetishes itt

https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/887024683379544065

Ppj lmao what the gently caress how did I miss this

Why is this a real thing he said? Bath salts are wild as poo poo.

CelestialScribe posted:

This is my issue. AOC seems genuine - even if I think she has some severe knowledge gaps - and she probably wants to do the right thing.

Her attitude and willingness to be a different voice in the party is extremely refreshing. I hope she inspires more people like her into politics if nothing else.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Lightning Knight posted:

Like the South, all of the good food in the Midwest came from non-white people, or people who used to be treated as non-white.

Sweedish cuisine derivatives are completely insane. Hotdish is especially baffling, even if it tastes alright.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

LK you watch that film and the sequel immediately.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Lightning Knight posted:

Ahhhhhhh I see. Yeah that's what I thought chud was lol. Is this movie known because of Chapo? I bet it's because of Chapo.

No!!! Chud and chud 2 colon bud the chud are American classics.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Ytlaya posted:

I'm not really seeing where the hard distinction is between social democrats and liberal democrats here, other than the degree to which the government intervenes to support a welfare state and economic/social equality (and actually I don't think the definition of "liberal democracy" is even really related to that). In both cases you're talking about capitalist systems.

Your third line is exactly what I meant; those things are obviously part of politics/ideology but aren't covered by the labels liberal/social democrat/socialist.

When you're trying to classify political groups it's usually best to ignore foreign policy unless it's a primary focus of that specific group (interventionalism / isolationism) and focus on their relationship to the economy and the fundamental workings of the state. Fascism, for example, is a nationalist identity defined around an autarkic economic system with a strong authoritarian national government. The foreign policy goals are unimportant, since they aren't the major focus of that group.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Squalid posted:

mmHm in hindsight I might have mentally transposed 'social democracy' with democratic socialism, which has a harder distinction. OK I was probably wrong there, social democracy is a subset of liberalism. Foiled again by vague and muddled jargon!

Social democracy is a democratically focused government with a heavier emphasis on wealth distribution and economic regulations, as well as focusing on general welfare. They work within the capitalist system, however.

Democratic socialists lean more towards a mixed or command economy that involves ownership of the means of production that also tries to adhere to a democratic style of government, rather than the party rule that you would see in Marxist or communist states. DemSoc is basically a rejection of Soviet methods, but is otherwise ideologically similar.


I had to bust one of my books out for that one ;)

E: tl;dr demsoc = change. Socdem = reform

Grapplejack fucked around with this message at 07:42 on Nov 25, 2018

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Ms Adequate posted:

Fascism is probably the single worst example you could have picked, because the ideology is totally obsessed with foreign matters to the subordination of basically everything else, and views the world as a permanent life-or-death struggle between nations. More broadly though I don't think you can write off the IR side of a political party, it's both telling and consequential, even if it's arguably the part of politics which sees the most flexibility.

Ehhhh both Mussolini and Franco were obsessed with their standing in Europe, but Mussolini was much more openly interventionist and wished to expand his empire, while Franco was more isolationist and only focused on keeping his current colonies rather than expanding. (Yes I know Franco barely counts and reversed his move to an autarky after the civil war)

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Ppj great news, I've managed to connect a device to primary chat and connect it to a generator. I've created infinite free energy! We're saved!

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Lightning Knight posted:

"Tankies," he says, as if this isn't a commonly debated topic of discussion among normal historians. The Japanese had been consistently firebombed for months, and the Emperor had lost confidence in the Japanese military to prosecute the war by the end of June. They had also realized by April that Soviet intervention in the war was inevitable in some form. The idea that the nuclear weapons were necessary to obtain an unconditional surrender in this context is laughable, and the ease with which we justify war crimes is alarming to me.


It's cute they think anyone will remember this happened in 5 days.

The big question is whether or not the US public would be down with a land invasion of Japan. It's entirely possible that war weariness had set in and now that Europe is safe why bother with Japan, especially with the Soviets rampaging through China? Without the bomb you hold out for a while and you could get a brokered peace where you keep your government and Korea.

I'm personally of the opinion that the land invasion of Japan was never going to happen, full stop. It would be too costly. They wanted to strangle them, but the soviets forced that option out. If the bombs didn't exist they would have gotten a brokered peace and probably get to keep Korea.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

SocketWrench posted:

Why the hell can they never do some normal Christmas tree thing and instead do this poo poo that feels like Tim Burton was hired to do interior decorating

I unironically love her Christmas sets at this point, I think. They're so weird and baffling and obviously designed by someone who did professional modelling that you can't help but enjoy them.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Lightning Knight posted:

:allears: You should start an A/T thread imo.

Here's a fun trivia bit: the organization that handles funeral service examinations is called The Conference. I don't understand why they picked a name for their group that is so loving ominous, but

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Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Rigel posted:

Looks like we may have another PR statehood vote soon. The house GOP agreed to a very simple yes/no one-question vote on statehood so that all opponents (independence, status quo, that "free association" bullshit, something else) can all come together to vote no if they don't want statehood rather than boycotting the vote. I presume they are confident that the vote would fail because things could get awkward if PR unambiguously supported statehood with a high turnout.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1067541837102108672

Good.

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