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McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Mordiceius posted:

BE ADVISED THAT I AM AN IDIOT WHO WILL OPT FOR INSULTING AND BELITTLING YOUR INTELLIGENCE INSTEAD OF ASSUMING MY LOGIC IS FLAWED IN ANY WAY, IF I DO THIS PLEASE FEEL FREE TO IGNORE ME.

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McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Hey, what the gently caress is up with the secret illuminati people in Avengers 1? You know, the dudes that pushed the button on nuking new york?

Like, did their rank supercede that of the President of the US? Was POTUS on that council? Do they outrank UN? Where they ever mentioned again?

What was even the point of them anyways? Why give them a role you just as easily could have given to the POTUS?

Like, the more I think about it the more confusing it gets.

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

SolidSnakesBandana posted:

I presumed that was HYDRA the whole time and that gets revealed in Winter Soldier.

But...what authority do they have? How did they end up with enough authority to nuke the biggest city in the world?

A cursory glance at some inane wiki says its job is to control SHIELD, with politicians from some of the most powerful countries in the world, but how much authority does SHIELD have? Where's the chain of command? Is SHIELD a global unit or an american one? Did the POTUS not have a say in this? Was he informed? Why the gently caress did we have a council instead of just having Obama or Bush or w/e push the drat button?

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

So Snyder took a break from spreading objectivist propaganda to make a Twitter post

https://twitter.com/ZackSnyder/status/1083511349915701248?s=19

Closer look at the t-shirt


https://twitter.com/Theos_Unfeeling/status/1083487131606155264?s=19

The shirt seems to have plenty of hints about the directions he was gonna take JL and JL 2 in

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

The biggest revelation is that Lois was supposed to be pregnant, Bats takes a bullet for her in JL 2 while capping Darkseid, and Lois and Clark naming the kid Bruce.

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Tom Gorman posted:

Just make RDJ the host. I'll take it every day over Kevin Hart.

Reminder during the promotions for Avengers 2 he said this of a mexican director:

“I think for a man whose native tongue is Spanish to be able to put together a phrase like ‘cultural genocide’ just speaks to how bright he is.”

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

SolidSnakesBandana posted:

Can someone give me the tl;dr of what this is?

edit: Thanks bud! vv

You're not american, I take it? AOC is very famous in the states right now

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

SolidSnakesBandana posted:

Yet people who care about Peter Parker's room being consistent are dorks.


:psyduck:

Honestly half the reason I read this thread is because it astounds me what people will come up with. Seeing the huge variety of opinions is fascinating to me. To be clear, my opinions are terrible and I am not suggesting they are correct. I am dumb as gently caress. I once argued for several pages about how Batman needs to be non-lethal in order to be a compelling character, an opinion which I still hold.

Batman can be compelling in many ways and still have an interesting arc. The revenge fantasy vigilante that upholds a childish moral code to never kill (but will happily put you in a wheelchair for life) has been done plenty of times. In my opinion that is.

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

SolidSnakesBandana posted:

In my heart, I know you're right. I'm not a fan of Timm, mainly because I think he's kind of a huge creep. My nostalgia is being preyed upon.

His fascination with Batman loving barbara and/or cucking his adopted son is really creepy, yes.

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

SolidSnakesBandana posted:

I really enjoyed Snyder's scenes in Justice League, namely the attack on the amazons at the beginning and the fight versus the newly reawakened Superman. These scenes are just obviously higher quality than all the others. If you didn't grin like an idiot when Superman eyeballed the Flash, I don't even know what to say to you. It's such a perfect moment.

I think I had the same facial expression Flash did. Such a cool moment, lost in the bland boringness that is JL.

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

One of us, one of us, one of us

Here's some more reading material if ya wamt it

https://geeksofcolor.co/2017/08/17/the-ultimate-immigrant-story-zack-snyders-superman/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/christandpopculture/2013/07/superman-not-just-a-man-but-a-just-man/

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Ammanas posted:

our netflix rates keep increasing so we can watch (once, with reservations) a 90 million dollat zombie CASINO HEIST movie?

man get a hold of yourselves

lol at "once".That's money well spent imo

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Look, loving Aquaman made a gazillion buckaroos, Infinity war made even more than than that, can we please stop pretending that box office numbers have any correlation to movie quality?

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Grendels Dad posted:

I guess that post was still aimed at I said come in! because it feels like they are very confused about what they originally said, otherwise they wouldn't double down on their stupidity like that.

look, it's early, I skimmed the discussion, and I hadn't had my coffee, mea culpa.

I mean, I still stand by it as a general statement that popularity does not denote quality in any way because far too many people think box office records has a correlation with quality,, but that's not really related to the discussion going on here so oops.

It's bizarre stating SS wasn't popular though, considering how batshit craycray people went for Harley. Like, it was so well received it's getting a sequel and a spinoff with BoP (i think it's a spinoff at least)


Snowman_McK posted:

Aquaman is dope, though.


It's a feast for the eyes but little else imo.

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Looking forward to the scene in suicide squad where they brutally murder a few dozen people set to a jaunty tune played for laughs. Good grief.

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005


Are you referencing the 40 odd seconds of Harley fighting off some weird mindless monster putties and comparing that to the 3 minutes of brutal slaughter of normal people? (well, you know what I mean)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXbFP2V_zSA

Because boy howdy I don't really think those compare at all!

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Snowman_McK posted:

A film that's good to look at? *spits in disgust*


You're either being weirdly hyperbolic or just taking the piss, but I'm not quite sure which


STAC Goat posted:

I admit, my real world morals get real shaky when I'm watching some movie where a raccoon and a tree have to try and save the universe but they're being held prisoner on a spaceship by murderous cannibal pirates or something.

Kudos to you if you hold your principles THAT firm, though. And its definitely a hosed up scene so like, I totally get if its too much for some people. That's totally fair.

I think it's more that in that scene it feels kinda gleeful the way they're murdering those space pirates. They're very obviously relishing the murder and it's portrayed as equal parts fun, cool and justified, and it's unsettling and dehumanizing to me.

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

CelticPredator posted:

I mean, they're bad guys though. I get some people don't like watching violent revenge scenes, but it's not like Guardians 2 isn't curbing off of a lot of other films that do the same thing.

It's horrific violence vs cathartic violence. You show the Taser-Face lead Ravengers being pieces of poo poo, and then show them getting what they deserve.

Tarantino does do it the best. And with fun jaunty tunes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbmDpEhAp48

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B_1IMstVzs

You bring up a good point with Tarantinos over the top gratuitous violence. I generally don't feel antipathy in his scenes, but I think it's because Tarantinos characters generally don't show the same amount of glee and joy at murdering. The exception that comes to mind is that scene in Basterds where the big jewish guy beats a "noble" nazi to death with a bat, and that scene is definitely uncomfortable to me.
In addition, both Django and the bride are sympathetic, unlike Yondu and rocket whom I find obnoxious and unlikeable.
Also, Somehow the gotg scene seems more sadistic than even tarantino, which is a feat.

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

teagone posted:

They do the Avengers-style crossover better than Avengers in Fast Five. Tokyo Drift is my favorite.

Let's be fair though, is there anything avengers does well? (Aside from making money lol)

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Detective No. 27 posted:

https://youtu.be/rOSpsN5yEnc

Fantastic video about the symbology of Moby Dick's white whale in Moss/BvS.

This was posted in the jl thread, but it's really good and worth watching

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

K. Waste posted:

The issue isn't so much that Venom is actually great and nobody understands it. It's that it is, for all intents and purposes, mediocre if ambitious - and yet the initial reception of it was predominately, "LOL Sony shits the bed again can't wait for Disney to buy these fuckers out too."

Yeah, I've read a few posts whining about the success of venom because they want their spider man venom team up. These people don't want good movies, they want to see their favourite action figures fight each other.

Presumably why they're rooting for the x-men movie to fail

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

CityMidnightJunky posted:

Have you thought about taking a break from the internet, maybe going for a walk, thinking about something else? Because holy poo poo.

I'm sorry about your mental disorder, guess he struck a nerve

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Hollismason posted:

Venom is super queer so I like that aspect of it and I like all the Marvel Movies.

This is an interesting take, mind elaborating?

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Hollismason posted:




https://io9.gizmodo.com/venoms-sexuality-is-a-sticky-fluid-freudian-mess-1829605586


https://www.themarysue.com/venom-subtext-and-the-race-for-on-screen-lgbt-representation/



Basically, you have a love story between a alien symbiot that probably prefers the PGP of He/Him and there you go. There's lots of stuff written about it already.

https://twitter.com/VenomMovie/stat...ally-pretty-gay



Anyway. Yeah it's queer.

Huh. Well that's neat, thanks!

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Megasabin posted:

So we did the Man of Steel watch-through.

6 people, 4 of them had already seen it at least once going in (2 loved it, 2 disliked it), and two people who went in fresh. We watched it once through, and then after while discussing it we ended up going through the entire movie again a second time pausing to point out certain things we liked or disliked. We went from about 5:30pm - 430am, so 11 hours.

It was a lot of fun, although I'm not sure anyone's opinions were drastically changed. The two people who disliked the movie based on an earlier viewing did end up coming out more positive as they accepted rebuttals of some of their perceived issues-- "Pa Kent being selfish and poorly written" & "Not buying that Superman would choose Earth when he was treated so poorly".

We discussed talking points from all of those videos you guys posted. People made tons of bad analogies. We looked up a Kansas recipe and made Bierocks beforehand to eat during the movie, and they were delicious.

We will probably do the same thing for Batman vs. Superman

That sounds like a ton of fun imo. Happy our virwing material was of help!

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

RBA Starblade posted:

The entire film reel is an alien

You'd think it'd shapeshift into a movie that didn't look like poo poo

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

I said come in! posted:

How big of a demographic is comic book fans? I would be interested in seeing demographics for who is showing up the most to see these films in theaters. I've always been very interested in seeing what it is that brings people into the theater, but I don't know that such information exists. I know that deep down it probably has nothing to do with the quality of a film, because as we've seen, the MCU movies make an incredible amount of money.

Agreed, I've come to the gradual realization that the correlation between financial success and quality is tenuous at best, because people go to movies to relax and be entertained, and for better or worse, MCU has perfected that kind of light and disposable entertainment. I think a big help is that bloggers and media are far more generous to to the MCU movies for some weird inexplicable reason. If people are told a movie is good then they're more likely to give it the benefit of the doubt I think.

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Yep, but the problem is that [original fans] of comics and cartoons and books are very vocal online and if there's no other newsworthy aspects about an upcoming adaptation then they can pretty easily hijack the discussion. There doesn't even need to be an actual discussion, they just need to be seen to be kicking up a stink and that'll make headlines all on its own, and even if the general public doesn't read the articles they'll still see the headlines in sidebars and assume the production is in trouble.

The lead up to Ghostbusters 2016 was a great example of all that (irrespective of the actual quality of the film when it eventually came out)

Related to that, I just heard that there's a Comicsgate movement that is a bunch of chuds fighting back against the "SJW invasion" of the medium :rolleyes:

Can you imagine the uproar if Superman fought against the nazi alt right movement today? Or if Captain America told the MCU president to gently caress off with his wall and caravan scaremongering?

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Sir Kodiak posted:

Compare Loki first declaring his intention to rule the Earth to a hundred or so random bystanders that happen to be around when he steals the staff to Zod announcing "you are not alone" simultaneously to the entire world through a display of overwhelming technological superiority.

What do you mean? Don't you find Loki threatening the way he got sassed by an old man and then chumped by captain america cosplayer?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oesqLjz9b8

Just for fairness sake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_N4lCmgKTA

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

As an aside, someone should def make a movie fight thread, that'd totally be my jam.

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

As a reminder of how dumb comics get sometimes, Hulk avoids civilian deaths by subconsciously using super-math!

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

CityMidnightJunky posted:

Yeah I've mentioned this before, Snyder films make great trailers and still shots. But horrendous movies. A lot of people here seem to think the visuals are all a film is, which is why they can't accept the strengths of the MCU.

The MCUs strength is that it's a soap opera for nerds, where said nerds watch a movie to see their favourite copy of Tony Stark throw zingers at the other copies of tony stark, to be teased of future scenes where a Stark quips with other Mcu characters, and "epic scenes" half hazardly recreated from their favourite comic books (speaking of, how the everloving gently caress did they not include "we would have words with thee" in AoU? Whedon you hack).

Aside that, there's nothing of merit. The score is generic, the script is nonsensical, the visuals are garbage.

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

None of them are charismatic.

They're likable though

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Right, the kryptonians where a race that had traveled into space, then interest in that waned, they abandoned their space exploration, and instead stripmined their planet. This is the point I'd post that ever expanding HMMMMM emoji if I had it.

In regards to I said come in's friends, I think that's kind of emblematic of a larger phenomenon. in that significant portion of viewers simply don't interact with a movie beyond a surface reading. Themes and ideas that aren't heavy handed aren't registered, because these viewers aren't looking for them. This is not me saying these viewers are stupid or intellectually lazy or whatever, but that we as an audience have been conditioned not to, and I say we because that's exactly how I was watching movies up until fairly recently. It's the difference between seeing Moby Dick as the embodiment of natures indifference to man or as a dumb whale, and Krypton as an exploding planet or earths future. That's imo of course.

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

SolidSnakesBandana posted:

That shot rules, but I can't wait to hear everyone poo poo on it

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

MacheteZombie posted:

No you didnt.

Next you'll be asking why batman wore power armor.

Reminder that this is a dude that doesn't understand how the crucifixion pose is biblical, he's practically jivjovian in his literalness

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Ya'll remember that failed writer who wrote "tell that to zod's snapped neck" in a dumb attempt to "fix" BvS right? Of course you do!

Well, I present to you the spiritual sequel: Drink your god drat cocoa.

https://twitter.com/Iron_Spike/status/1095529996049924096
https://twitter.com/Iron_Spike/status/1095532814181781509
https://twitter.com/Iron_Spike/status/1095533910220525569

The whole thing is worth a read for how she turns Superman into a middle-aged racist who apparently lives in New york.

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

MonsieurChoc posted:

The Morrison run had Superman be a working class hero again (before going into weird stuff with Mister Mxplxzyc).

I liked that.

Snyderman is coded as working class in MoS and BvS, with Lex's Gala in BvS being the most blatant example of his relation to the working class.

Equeen posted:

BvS already has two scenes (I'm including the Ultimate Edition) similar to this, but I guess they didn't sound enough like woke stdh.txt stories.

Why do all of these "fixes" to either dumb down Martha Kent or downplay her impact on Superman's life?

More to the point, why are they constantly rewriting ideas and themes that actually are in the movies, only worse? Except racist superman not knowing black people, can you imagine if Snyder included that?

Also lol, she's now blocking anyone that made a crack about hot cocoa tweet.

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Also because they're extremely remote workplaces where there's hardly any other people around, which cuts down on the sensory overload.


That's a pretty good catch

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McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

FilthyImp posted:

Smyder did the same with the iconic Batman jumping with lightning in the background for Beevs, nut he had the sense to keep it to a few quick frames instead of an extended slo-mo hero moment

Unlike Whedon, Snyder actually made it look good though

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