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ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Xaris posted:

is that the matt christman one? i thought it was alright, mostly because of matt though

i tend not to care that much for historical-what-if-ism like what if you killed baby hitler or jfk survived, though there can be interesting ideas at time, i find it kind of irrelevant because well, we lived the line where it didn't happen

Counterfactuals can be masturbatory, sure, but both Matt and Danny point out what they are useful for in the ep and that's sussing out important events from the "noise" of history. That having been said if that's what your podcast is about maybe don't pick for your debut episode an event to examine that both hosts feel made no difference in retrospect.

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ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

papa horny michael posted:

I think it's lib to blame the presidential response because nearly half of people do not vote, nor watch the news. completely disengaged and free. why do you think the sitting president hectoring them to get a vaccine would have worked?

I'm not being facetious when I ask if you've ever actually met a chud?

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Popy posted:

every "leftist" podcast be like:



I'm the Carlyle Group

No, the other one

Edit: Now that I'm not on my phone I see that one of the Carlyle Groups is misspelled, that's the one I am

ClassActionFursuit has issued a correction as of 22:50 on Mar 16, 2022

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006


I know I'm reaching back and we've moved on but I've never heard this outside the context of THPS2 and I was genuinely happy it was as cheesy as it was, thanks :)

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Agreed, she's an incredibly positive person and it helps to balance out Terance wanting to die every episode.

The new guy is also terminally online. They really need a topic, guest, or article to center episodes on or they generally go on these very blackpilled rambling sprees.

Well she's currently in a safe house trying not to get killed so give her a little time

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Relin posted:

really? why? i havent listened in a while

Yeah

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Xaris posted:

Fall of Civilization podcast is real good and each episode is like 4 hours. though they only have like 12. https://fallofcivilizationspodcast.com/

alternatively if you havent listened to it, Tech Wont Save Us is really quite good too https://www.techwontsave.us/

but ya long drives suck rear end

Thanks for this rec, this is great.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

AnimeIsTrash posted:

I'm not going to listen to the episode but i'm going to go on a limb here and say their guest didn't say anything like that.

They did

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Ytlaya posted:

What's that? I haven't used kratom in like 8+ years. Google says it's some vendor, but not one I remember.

what are you doing in this thread

as for the rest of you, feel free to bet on what Ytlaya is doing in this thread at mybookie.ag

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

AgentF posted:

Listened to it pretty regularly for a number of years and noticed the quality of discussion get worse and worse. Clare Malone was the only one willing to get to root causes of issues and would regularly get interrupted or ignored, and then was turfed. The more I learned about politics the more important issues I noticed their conversations doggedly avoiding.

This is the worst part about lib media in general. "Look how bad this is." Is there a root cause? We'll never know but isn't it terrible?

And the worse whatever it is they're talking about the more obvious both the root cause is, the more awkwardly the presenter avoids actually discussing it, and the less attention paid to any possible solution.

NPR was built on this formula.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

I'd been going back through the ALAB catalog in preparation for this since the announcements and I'd say there are two types of eps, the kind where they poo poo all over someone and the kind where they want to explain some concept (and one movie ep). There are bangers in both, but the first kind is almost always perfect (I'd probably say the Dersh two parter is a little flat but eps 3, 4-5, 8, 12, 17, & 20 (the last two being the Michigan militia and Jan 6 eps) are hilarious. The second kind has some great ones too, Gerontacracy 19 is wonderful as an example. Be aware that The Scapegoat two parter is a real downer.

Honestly the one that I think about an awful lot is 21, The Racism's Baked Right In. Not funny really at all but so interesting. It might just be because Andy's so passionate about it and he's a joy to listen to but really it's just a fascinating view into something I hadn't thought about before.

New ep wasn't bad at all but it also wasn't really a "true" ALAB simply due to format. It's great to have a little more after so long though, I hope there are more to come.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

PostNouveau posted:

Also lovely jobs that you don't have to think about to do

It's this.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

crepeface posted:

lol yes, i wanted to see andy off the leash.

To be fair, that's how they got there to begin with. Andy on a rant though is pretty hilarious and easily worth up to $10 million of someone else's money.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Wolfsheim posted:

I finally listened to the new trueanon and I thought the author of the book about cities being bad would get into the reasoning or structural problems or whatever but they all just kinda listed hipster city trends they dont like for an hour lol

Wasn't the book about increasing homogeneity in cities? Not that that makes it any better, cultural homogeneity is a direct result of increased communication and why would cities, both the infrastructure and the vibe, be exempt? Kinda nitpicky but there is a difference between "cities are bad" and "cities are all the same" and I think his premise is the latter.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

bedpan posted:

the victim's car was discovered abandoned one block from a house owned by a relative of one of the suspects

...

this also means that suspicions Adnan's codefendant who turned state's witness, Jay Wilds, was recounting a lie fed to him by the police is in fact the reality of the situation

Iirc these were the two inescapable problems for the defense. Everything else could be explained away so ofc they were both manufactured

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

HashtagGirlboss posted:

They had a spicy grilled chicken sandwich for a very little while in 2009/2010 (or maybe I was in a test market for said sandwich) that I really liked but it disappeared and I’ve never seen it since

It's at my CFA rn

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

HashtagGirlboss posted:

I haven’t been to one in few years so that’s news to me is it still pretty good?

I've never tried it I was gonna ask you

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

tristeham posted:

i stopped listening to trillbilly a while ago, is tanya back?

Nope. I honestly doubt she'll be back.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

i say swears online posted:

lol speaking of, is there any documentary out there anyone knows of that was a retrospective on the 20th century that was filmed and released before 9/11? that'd be a fantastic time capsule since they usually include a few sentences geared toward the future

Around the turn of the millennium there were a bunch but they were pretty much all 100% about how great America was and how we more or less curbstomped the entire world into complete and total submission to our awesomeness and looking ahead there is absolutely no way any of this will go badly for America ever. If there's anything bad about the US in any of them it would be something along the lines of it just being too perfect and that it's so boring doing nothing but being the best at everything without trying and not having anything to criticize living in what is definitely heaven on earth if heaven were like a billion percent better than it is.

This is the one I was thinking of specifically.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Frosted Flake posted:

Yeah, I meant it more that China doesn’t seem interested. A lot of US foreign policy moves seem reckless or unexpected and it seems people aren’t sure how to react.

The US offshored production to China and relies on buying consumer products from there to keep society stable and to drive the financial economy. Picking a fight with China does not really fit into all that.

The Soviets weren't interested in a cold war either. It only takes one side to be belligerent. Fly Molo has pretty much the correct read on the situation from my point of view.

The only one of the ten that hasn't come to pass is the cancer one and only if you read that in the strictest sense, that it would have to be cancer rates that exposes the US healthcare system's fragility. It also frames it as linked to pollution which is much, much better since the 90s so it's only correct obliquely, that the US healthcare system is on the brink of collapse (or depending on the region is in a state indistinguishable from collapse), but whiffed both on the cause and mechanism. Still, given that this is a list of ten predicted catastrophes of which nine are mostly correct and this is closest to wrong, I'm willing to give it to them because actual consequence was predicted.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

I haven't finished the new ALAB but Andy talking about the epistemological crisis at 43:30 was wonderful. Might be my favorite moment of the entire series.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

yeah this was really great, i might need to clip that to send to my dad every time he asks why people are descending in crazy conspiracism

I mean the root causes are obvious to everyone (I'd hope) but likening a shared reality to a public good that has been depleted (and he didn't mention it but has essentially been privatized) is a framing that I've always felt but never heard articulated. He in three minutes was able to explain the crisis, lay out why it's important, and make a strong argument as to where culpability lies in a way that someone who hadn't given it a lot of thought can completely internalize. I was genuinely moved by it.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Come on ALAB I need part 2 of Alex Jones you can't leave me hanging like this

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Someone here recommended Fall of Civilizations and I really enjoyed it. Is there anything similar where I can listen to a calm person tell me about something for four hours or so? I have painting to do so no ads would be appreciated.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

KirbyKhan posted:

Here is 4 hours of Jorbs teaching Slay The Spire. It fits the mood and mental complexity you describe.


Idk I got YouTube premium so adfree for me.

While I too have YouTube Premium, I never actually watch anything there. Unfortunately games aren't really my thing, I need something with a little more narrative structure to follow. Thanks for the rec, though.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

C-Euro posted:

Finally getting around to listening to If Books Could Kill and it's good, can't wait for them to do an episode on something that I own or have read. Their comment at the end about how the most powerful people in society are susceptible to, if not enthusiastic about, the same dumb bullshit that's normally associated with the broader population has been one of my more important realizations since Trump became president.

E: I am however going to write an angry email about how the word "data" is plural. "The data are indicative of blah blah blah" :argh:

I have read Freakonomics and noticed all the poo poo they pointed out at that time. The chapter about black names stood out particularly for its overt racism. I was hoping they'd also mention the chapter about why drug dealers are often poor which really combined the specious reasoning, racism, and ideology of the author but as they said there's so much in there they can't pick it all.

But yeah, good podcast.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

crepeface posted:

each episode is about 30 minutes and there are a million of them.

alternatives are Programmed to Chill, Inward Empire and American Exception

I'm listening to a lot about Mao at the moment but hey why not more. Thanks

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

slave to my cravings posted:

I wouldn’t call it right wing, but it’s got Dave smith who is definitely a libertarian nut job. I think they are kind of free speech absolutist comedians. anything is funny, anybody can be made fun of. I don’t find Dave smith, Luis j Gomez or big jay particularly funny. they have funny people on sometimes, and it excels when they make fun of Luis. it’s fun when Nick Mullen goes on but not really worth listening to otherwise.

I haven't heard of this podcast but I cannot tolerate this Big Jay slander. His stories on Marc Maron like a decade ago are still some of the funniest things I've ever heard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUF-MRUrMq4&t=943s

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

crepeface posted:

each episode is about 30 minutes and there are a million of them.

alternatives are Programmed to Chill, Inward Empire and American Exception

Alright got through 13 episodes. Not my favorite podcast of all time but exactly the podcast I needed for this project. The fact that the outro music perfectly syncs to the intro music is a huge bonus.

Thanks again.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Omnicarus posted:

Runescape introduced me to what eventually became my RL career (bronze smithing)

To bring this back to podcasts bronze smithing is what killed the guy in S-Town

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

gradenko_2000 posted:

even if there was some policy that was like "firing squad for political corruption", when you consider how few people ever get charged with corruption, much less convicted for it, the whole exercise becomes pointless

For the billionaires I'm willing to skip the charging, trial, and conviction and go straight to the execution tbqh

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

KirbyKhan posted:

I will listen to the cursed podcast and report back.

It's bad

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Gripweed posted:

you're gonna have to be a lot more specific

It was in reference to I'm From the Internet about these dead gay forums.

I just finished it and it's so bad. I could write detailed criticism but honestly I don't think it has the capacity to be good (it could maybe be better but not much). If anyone here wants me to write detailed criticism so that they don't have to listen to it I will but let me just leave it as "It's exactly what you think it is".

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

KirbyKhan posted:

They do, it is the second half. They do about 3-4 paragraphs of talking about each subforum. He recites the history of LF and CSPAM. He name drops Brown Mosus and Bellingcat as proof for the far and wide reach that our great forums have.

Oh it'll gently caress that right up.

It brings me no pleasure to report this. I must post: Guy Mann recited no lies about the forums. There are no misrepresentations or hateful exaggerations. The detail about posters is immaculate. Lmao at no time does he mention his lifetime achievement permaban.

Absolutely terribly podcast to listen to. The audio and voice makes me recoil. I can tell he edited it to drop pauses between words. The reverb vibrates my skull in a dissonant way. Do not listen. But yes, it contains so many poster stories. It is a posternomicon.

You skipped over the worst part which is the lack of preparation on the part of the hosts.

There are two and one knows almost nothing about the topic. The other has knowledge but at no point did they sit down with an outline about what the episode would be about so it's just run-on sentences and ideas that come to them in the moment but out of order. There was a structure agreed upon in advance but it comes out muddled showing an obvious lack of just writing down what they wanted to say about each subforum, or what ideas they wanted to bring across to the listener.

Yes, the production is bad but the lack of preparation is unforgivable. With a plan it would've been an amateur production that at least clearly conveys something but if you're unfamiliar with the material then really all a naive listener would glean was that SA was (is?) an old gathering place with an interesting history (citations needed). They don't have prepared examples for their assertions. When describing something they don't give any examples for context. The most egregious was the attempt to describe FYAD with something along the lines of "They talk about all kinds of stuff here that's just way over the line. Let me open it up... yeah I can't read any of these thread titles on this podcast." Okay, that tells the listener nothing. HAVE AN EXAMPLE READY.

In descriptions of the subforums again he's just saying what he believes off the top of his head instead of saying why a listener should care. Occasionally he backs into something interesting about them, like how toxxing changed the politics of the forums from libertarian to socialist, but it's entirely by accident. The descriptions should be "This is what it is, this is why you should care" but mostly they aren't.

It's very much a goon project where no effort was made to establish a plan first and the execution is just winging it and hoping it comes together. Simply put, I have no faith that any effort will be forthcoming in either planning for each episode's narrative or the flow of episodes so that a naive listener would care about these stories in a wider context. It's a complete failure at every level.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

KirbyKhan posted:

YES! Lack of preparation coupled with the academic distance. I retched at being described as a tribe. It hits similar tone as the Lowtax College Presentation, where I can tell this college educated dude spent 20,000 hours on the forums, but only spent 2 hours thinking about how to describe it to someone who wasn't already a mod.

The other thing is that they (I say "they" but it's really just the only qualified guy) completely miss the core concept that makes forums generate content when describing the structure. This is why I say I have no faith they can make this an interesting podcast.

In the back half, as described, he just runs down the forums in order and says what they are. What he doesn't explain in detail is the purpose (though he does mention that it's what they are) of FYAD-lites. This is a SA-specific concept that a naive listener would have no analogy for, so you'd expect him to say something like "There are forums about topics, like computers or politics, where serious discussion takes place but attached to some are forums called 'FYAD-lites' where they talk about the same topic, but from a position of already being knowledgeable about it and make observations about the humor to be found within." and then provide examples like YOSPOS being tech industry insiders talking about how lovely the tech industry is or LF/C-SPAM viewing politics as inherently bad. YOU'D DO THIS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE HUMOR COMES FROM.

So they failed to explain an important foreign concept that is directly in service of the purported end of the podcast itself. If they're going to do that, they aren't going to understand or highlight anything of any importance. And again, that's something that comes up if you have a plan because otherwise it's a guy reading a list into a microphone badly.

Also I should mention that killhamster is mentioned in the credits (sound design or something) :gooncamp:

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

COPE 27 posted:

I'm sure 100% of the people saying this approved of Hulk Hogan suing hawker into oblivion

Certainly but it doesn't make them wrong. I'd argue it's worse for them to be right about anything because it's the stuff that holds up to scrutiny that lends legitimacy that they don't deserve

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

COPE 27 posted:

No that was sarcasm they were all against it that time because it wasn't their team

Sorry, if I didn't hear that argument in earnest all the time I might've been more amiable to the subtlety. To bring podcasts into it, it reminded me of right after Andy's thoughts on conspiratorial thinking in the most recent ALAB where the new guy said something along the lines of "It's never a good feeling when someone's telling you about repitilians running the banks and then says 'What about Iraq?' and you have to concede they have a point there."

I wouldn't mind ALAB's release schedule so much if they had a 100+ episode catalog....

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

mawarannahr posted:

lol at Liz thinking baklava is made with olive oil

Yeah lol that she's correct that baklava is made with olive oil.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

AnimeIsTrash posted:

why would you use a flavored oil making sweets? O_o

the filo might use olive oil but I’d think you’d get more from butter or a neutral oil

I've never heard of phyllo that didn't use olive oil but I've also never heard of using it for anything other than baklava. I'll admit that I'm not exactly in an ethnically diverse place filled with Turks and Greeks however, and that what I've been sampling might not be authentic but to my mind olive oil constituted phyllo dough is the defining characteristic of baklava

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ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

CRAZY KNUCKLES FAN posted:

if every ep about alex jones is as good as the first one then they can take all the time they need

I agree with the sentiment but (I may have said this before itt) it'd be a lot easier to wait so long if the backcatalog had a hundred eps instead of 20

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