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Man Musk posted:Whew interesting thread that’s one fave still ok
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Spergin Morlock posted:Lol that a billionaires website looks like such poo poo you can't get rich spendin' money!!
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Aug 2, 2019 07:01
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Stickfigure posted:Lol that pizzagate turned out to be real and the pisstape fake. Owned, libtards the video is quickly deleted from virtually everywhere it's uploaded, and i've yet to see anyone in the press actually address it. seems real lol edit: if it's not real, that raises the questions: who made the video, and to what end? the pisstape, whether it actually depicts trump or not, is definitely real Finicums Wake has issued a correction as of 19:33 on Aug 2, 2019 |
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Aug 2, 2019 19:30
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Stickfigure posted:I seem to emember reading that Trump wasn't fat enough in that video. most of the deepfake stuff i'm aware of involves swapping the head of someone into another clip, or manipulating a clip of the actual person talking to make it look like they're saying something else. i'm not sure how those techniques could be used to make the piss tape. to be frank, i dont really believe it's trump in the tape. but when you start asking questions like: how much would it cost to put together a set that is a replica of some hotel room in moscow? and, how much would it cost to hire some actors to do all this? and so on for the crew, post production, etc. it leads me to believe that, if it's a fake, it was created by either a state actor, or some fairly well funded organization. so either it's trump in the tape or part of some elaborate plot to take out trump. either way you look at it, it's weird
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Aug 2, 2019 19:49
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Zas posted:why was a 96 year old judge still on the bench anyway jfc gerontocracy
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Aug 2, 2019 22:45
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*takes a weekend break from the news. 1.8k posts in the epstein thread* wonder what happ--holy poo poo lmao
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Aug 12, 2019 01:56
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pg 67 is where someone first posted that he died btw
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Aug 12, 2019 02:20
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ross perot in hell posted:it's the opposite, matt, everything is false, but it's like a classical logic thing where once you derive 0=1 you can with complete validity put anything on the next line maybe matt believes that paraconsistent logic is the correct logic
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Aug 12, 2019 02:30
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lol. lmao. *crack ping*
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Aug 12, 2019 02:57
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no matter what happened, we will never know the truth in a way that can be definitively justified. the paranoia-level in america, which is already obscenely high for a country as developed as ours, is gonna ratchet up due to this, this no matter how the investigation plays out
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Aug 12, 2019 03:06
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Taintrunner posted:
crack.png (mainly do not #3) edit: lmao it's fake. i love the internet
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Aug 12, 2019 03:18
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A Spherical Sponge posted:"crack ping" is just the sound metal makes when it breaks under stress. the "crack" is the initial fracture, and the "ping" is the sound of the metal resonating as the energy from the fracture disperses throughout the structure and it settles into its new configuration.
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Aug 12, 2019 03:23
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warning: mainlining 1.8k posts of this poo poo into your brain in one sitting WILL destroy it
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Aug 12, 2019 03:25
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gh0stpinballa posted:effort posting cos my gf is sick of hearing me now lol. anyway I've been reading the news coverage and the way the libs have latched onto trump going after the clinton connection, and held it up as some kind of example of why questioning the official narrative is Very Bad, is, i feel, very instructive. someone put this in the OP
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Aug 12, 2019 03:26
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Civilized Fishbot posted:sincere question: am i an idiot if i believe that epstein actually hung himself. I don't think anyone else came in to kill him, i think it was 100% predictable that he would try to kill himself given the chance. the conspiracy is how he was given the opportunity - allowing someone in that situation to kill themselves is the same as sending someone to kill them. so there's still a cabal and conspiracy here but i think an assassin is unnecessary. is that dumb the motivations for epstein to kill himself are fairly clear. but like you said, even if it was a suicide, then the question of how he was allowed to pull it off still deserves investigation, and points to something conspiracy-like. your take isn't dumb. i think something that can be said with certainty is that one should assign your take and the 'epstein was killed' takes with a non-0% probability of having occured . but just the fact that there are so many of these plausible explanations, and there's so much suspicion about any possibility of sorting between them, is in and of itself a huge problem imo.
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Aug 12, 2019 03:35
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twoday posted:I googled something and this came up yes. well, it's been cited by mainstream journalists lol
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Aug 12, 2019 03:37
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Aug 12, 2019 03:38
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looks like this michael baden guy was also involved in princess diana's autopsy. and he wrote two books... https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/199236.Unnatural_Death https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/313154.Dead_Reckoning edit: the above books are non-fiction. he wrote two 'thrillers' with a co-author who appears to be his wife, Linda Kenney Baden https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/61585.Remains_Silent https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5242784-skeleton-justice Finicums Wake has issued a correction as of 03:48 on Aug 12, 2019 |
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Aug 12, 2019 03:45
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googling "dr. michael baden" "princess diana" immediately turns up an article from 2013 linking princess diana's death to the fact that she uncovered a pedophile ring. the article wasn't published by a credible source, and baden's name only comes up from someone leaving a comment in the quotes, but lmao this is not helping my brain edit: overall it seems like baden's just a famous guy who has been involved in a lot of high profile cases, many of which people have disagreements over, and some of which are involved in conspiracy theories. so, it's not entirely surprising that a cursory look into him turns up conspiracy theory-related material. nonetheless, i'm gonna try to get my hands on his books lol
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Aug 12, 2019 03:56
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that's the link i turned up, but I didn't link it because there's no real reason to take it seriously. i guess the fact that one immediately alights upon this poo poo while trying to figure out basic info about the actors involved in the epstein case could be considered proof that the world we inhabit is much closer to the world of conspiracy theorists than i'd like to believe. edit: the most rooted-in-truth claim in that article is about the surveillance of diana by intelligence agencies (mainly because they mention PRISM, which has been confirmed to exist). someone go file a FOIA request if you want to see if that particular rabbit hole leads anywhere Finicums Wake has issued a correction as of 04:09 on Aug 12, 2019 |
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babypolis posted:one interesting aspect of this that hasnt been explored yet is why did epstein allow himself to be captured? he could have easily fled just as maxwell did. was he simply too arrogant to see what was going or did something else happen? does anyone even know whether ghislane maxwell is alive? and, if so, where she is?
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RobattoJesus posted:I googled G.I.N. and I still don't know what the gently caress it is. I guess I don't have high enough level Epstein Brain to understand the word salads. imagine a scientist taking a stab at social epistemology. ok, now imagine that but done poorly. welcome to the intellectual dark web
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:vox's The Weeds...fucken sucks!!
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[remembering when i thought dersh was lovely just for his israel opinions, denying finkelstein tenure, etc.]: *stimpack noise* ah, that's the stuff
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Aug 14, 2019 06:45
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Ytlaya posted:I mentioned when this came up in the Musk thread how I was actually pretty good friends with that guy in high school. His dad was a very well-off doctor, though he went to the same public school I did. The guy himself was actually a genuinely nice dude who came off as more confused than pretentious. It always seemed to me like he was just deeply confused about his own identity. I heard about the boat thing years ago before realizing that the other person was pre-fame Grimes and was not remotely surprised to hear he had done that. holy poo poo this is the best cspam subplot i've ever come across, and from one of the best posters lmao
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Aug 14, 2019 06:52
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pancake rabbit posted:lol they've found their scapegoats low effort cover up
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Aug 14, 2019 06:54
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Ogantai posted:Ep 4 is out already, it's just patron only. please post a direct link. if it's good i'll probably subscribe to the patreon, at least while all this poo poo is playing out lol
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Aug 14, 2019 08:05
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guillotine all billionaires and reorganize our political and economic structures at this point. idc if the reorganization is something i'd disagree with. at least it'd be a clean slate
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the epstein case, and everything related to it, is lovecraftian, in the sense that your first glimpse of it will drive you absolutely insane
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Tingfinder posted:Starting to think that people like...MLK...were killed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Francis_Pepper pepper is an attorney who taught (teaches?) law at oxford, and who knew MLK during the last few years of his life. he had written an article about vietnam that MLK came across, which so moved him that he contacted peppers. that's how they first met. about ten years after MLK was assassinated, a guy who was a leader in the civil rights movement, ralph abernathy, contacted peppers and asked him to sit down and interview james earl ray, the alleged assassin. peppers studied up on the case, then sat down for a five-hour interview with ray, alongside ray's lawyer and a body language specialist who observed ray and took notes. after the interview, pepper and abernathy were convinced that james earl ray wasn't the shooter. pepper investigated the case for another ten years, which convinced him that james earl ray was a patsy. pepper then became his lawyer, in 1988. for the next ten years, pepper tried to get the guy an actual trial. he had initial just plead guilty under pressure, lies and, arguably, bribery from the police. he had never had a real trial. the story of pepper's attempts to get ray a trial, and what ended up happening are pretty wild. it got to the point where mlk's family was calling for ray to have a real trial. then pepper ended up representing the king family in a civil wrongful death suit, which they won. here's an transcription of a speech where pepper sums all of this up: https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/WFP020403.html
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Zas posted:this has some heavy volcel energy and i am here for it
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Shipon posted:How do the existence of things like IRAs and 401ks work with this analysis? I know this is the *crack ping* thread but to really think about it, aren't tax-advantage investment portfolios basically forcing people to become their own oppressors in some small way there are a group of people commonly referred to as the upper-middle class, the professional class, the professional-managerial class etc. these people reproduce their existence, primarily, year after year, by selling their labor-power. so, in this respect, they are similar to the proletariat of classical marxist theory. however, through a combination of acquiring skills which increase their productivity, and opportunity hoarding (everything from credentialism, to home owners controlling zoning laws, to how schools are financed, to racism and sexism), they earn a significant wage premium over other people who work for a living. the portion of this wage premium that comes from opportunity hoarding directly corresponds to disadvantaged faced by others. from what i've said so far, we can conclude that they're like the proletariat, as it's typically conceived, in some fundamental respects: they have to sell their labor for a living (or at least that's the source of most of their income) and they're exploited by the capitalist class. they're unlike the proletariat, as it's typically conceived, in that they have the ability to increase their wages through opportunity hoarding, and that they generally enjoy a level of job stability, working conditions, wages etc. that other members of the class don't. there's another aspect to this, that of domination. when defined by social scientists, domination usually means something like 'the ability to control the activities of others.' to give an example, your salary-earning manager might be exploited just like the worker they manage, but they exercise domination over that worker. of course, they too take orders from higher up, meaning they both inflict and suffer from domination. there are also cases where, because of the supply for a professional-managerial class worker's skills/credentials is mucher lower than that demanded, they have significant bargaining power and autonomy with regard to their working conditions. so, even if they don't manage/dominate people themselves--think of a computer programmer, for instance--they still occupy that's distinct from the working class as defined by classical marxist analysis. overall, you can say that their interests, as a class, are pulled in different directions: towards the broader working class in some respects, and towards the capitalist class in others. they also have their own interests that don't really correspond to either the proletariat's or the capitalists' interests; that, plus the fact that they have more resources than other workers, means that they'll often form their own class organizations/interest groups/whatever separate from the other two. but, because of their relative lack of power and size, they usually have to join in a coalition with either the capitalists or (certain sections of) the working class. now, to your question: how do IRAs and 401ks fit into this picture? the people who actually have money to put in to them, yet are still dependent on their performance, is the professional-managerial class i've been talking about. by tying these workers' fortunes and futures to that of the market, 401ks and IRAs functionally shift the interests of the professional-managerial class closer to that of capital. based on what i know about how those programs started, this wasn't the intention of its creators or the legislators that signed them into law, poo poo just worked out that way. so yes, they could be described as making this strata of workers complicit in their own exploitation, since it disincentives them from forming coalitions with the rest of the working class to overthrow capitalism, which is the only way the end their exploitation.
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this is way longer than i intended it to be, prob vbecause i'm drunk, and it's tangential to the epstein stuff. but i spent the time typing so plz don't delete, MODSShipon posted:excellent write-up. does this mean that to retire you pretty much have to give in and accept that you will be a traitor to your own class? ultimately, i'm not entirely sure. i'd have to read more and think about it. and what i do know paints a complicated picture. in my view you have to look at classes as being composed of a variety of different occupations which have just congealed into a class, and then look at all of this as changing over time. after such an analysis, it starts to look like it'll be in the interests of some parts of the PMC to align with the broader working class, if only because they're being assimilated into it. other parts of the PMC are being bound closer and closer to capital, effectively merging with it. and then there's a part of the PMC which isn't really being pulled in either direction. so, thinking strategically, whether any given member of the PMC ought to just 'give in' really depends. i'll try and illustrate what i mean with examples from two different occupations, comparing their situation during the post-war keynesian "golden age of capitalism" period with our current, post-crash neoliberal reality. COLLEGE PROFESSORS -------------------------------------------------- 1.a: consider someone with a PhD from a reasonably reputable school in, say, the 1960s. they can reasonably expect to look forward to a tenure-track job (and probably tenure), autonomy over their working conditions, and pay consistent with their having acquired skills/credentials etc 1.b: now consider someone with a PhD from a reasonably reputable school in the 2010s. whether they have any reasonable chance at being hired for a tenure-track job is heavily dependent on their field. even in fields where there's a demand for tenure-track professors with such credentials, attaining tenure is a hell of a lot more challenging. on top of that, those in the right fields who land the right jobs will have considerably less autonomy over working conditions due to the increasing corporatization of the university, the rise in number and power of a layer of administrators and bureaucrats, all exacerbating by new financial constraints. if they don't have a PhD from the right field, or they're just unlucky with their job search, they'll either end up as non-tenure track professors or, in many many cases, as adjuncts. as non-tenure track professors, they'll 'enjoy' wages far less than their 1960's era counterparts, have far less job security, and probably have less workplace autonomy than their tenure-track colleagues. if they end up an adjunct, they'll earn working-class wages (often not even getting health benefits), have little-to-no job security, and might even have to work multiple jobs (teaching a few classes at this university, and a few at another) just to make rent. 1.conclusion: a PhD holder, even from a reasonably reputable school, has incontrovertibly been drifting towards proletarianization. No one would deny that such people were among the professional-managerial class in the post-war era, and they enjoyed the benefits that come from being a member of that class. Today, while they're still considered 'professionals,' many don't get those benefits, and even those that do are in a more precarious position. (note: my post is getting insanely long, and it''s off topic and i'm drunk. what follows is even more of a gloss than the above): FINANCE PROFESSIONALS -------------------------------------------------- 2.a: consider a person employeed in finance in, say, the 1960s. having skills/credentials, they could look forward to higher wages, better job stability, and some degree of autonomy in the workplace (at least compared to, say, an uncredentialled factory worker). at the time, finance was considered one of the boring white-collar business professions. it was sometimes compared to the plumbing of the economy (economists were also compared to plumbers iirc). so, while it was a respectable, stable job that paid a good salary, they were around the middle income-strata of the PMC. 2.b: finance today is insanely different from what i just described. it's not a humdrum profession anymore: movies like wall street, or wolf of wall street, reflect that fact. finance professionals not only enjoy higher salaries, but huge bonuses and stock-options which tie their overall level of income more closely to corporate profits. and, with that much extra income, they even have the chance of becoming full blown capitalists themselves, through investing or starting companies or whatever. on top of that, finance is an occupation which seems to help people move into either C-level positions, granting them control of the means of production, or leave for other lucrative and powerful occupations (e.g. goldman sachs employees routinely end up in powerful political positions). 2.conclusion: finance workers were run of the mill PMC members in the post-war keynesian era. today, they seem to have one foot in the professional class, and another in the capitalist class, with some actually ascending to the capitalist class themselves. so, the question of whether a worker considered 'professional class' should throw their lot in with the wider working class in hopes of overturning the system, or ally with the capitalists at the proletariat's expense ("give in," as you said) depends. for some PMC members, e.g. many (most?) college professors, it's probably better to do the former. for other PMC members, e.g. finance people, probably the latter. and then there are people whose occupation designates them as PMC, but hasn't been pulled in either direction all that much. what should those people do? assuming you're asking for self-interested, strategic advice: i honestly don't know. i'd have to read more poo poo to have an inkling of a clue. so, in conclusion, 
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how does the PMC link to epstein? well, virtually all of his enablers, or people tasked with covering his tracks, will be members of that class. sure, they're just taking orders or getting paid, but this kind of poo poo would be impossible without them contributing here and there, being willing to look the other way, etc. viewed from the perspective of "who is complicit?" the rot is insanely widespread. like, think of every lawyer and politican and so on that's shown up already. hell, even that guy from the sacha baron cohen clip who played dumb selling the yachts is, in all likelyhood, a member of this class.
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HELLO LADIES posted:Wheee Tom Hanks is a blatant pedo who gets off on hiding in plain sight and runs the world's creepiest instagram, reality is all Robert Anton Wilson poo poo, and Hillary Clinton eats children or whatever. thsi is precisely what i, as well as many others, have been saying
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Aug 15, 2019 14:25
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Perry Mason Jar posted:If someone can even provide so much as a plausible motivation Epstein might have for suicide I'd be happy. He has blackmail on the literal most powerful people in the world and you think getting arrested was just too much for him? Even though it's happened before? Even though he went right back to what he was doing after he was released in the past? Even though he had a young girl alone with him for 3 hours in a maximum security prison? he went from being insanely powerful, indulging his child loving habit at will, with plans to freeze his head and penis so he could continue being powerful and child loving in some future society, to a guy destined to sit in a cell for the rest of his life, never to become immortal or even gently caress again. i don't buy the suicide explanation, but the motive part makes sense to me
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"Either there was an accumulation of mistakes and the system failed in every respect or there must have been bizarre interference."
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twoday posted:Finally I can post poo poo like this with the firm knowledge that it won't be the craziest thing in the thread. Anyway, none of this is really crazy, it's all well-sourced. But if you want to hop down into the warp-tunnel and skip ahead to Epstein Brain Level 99, read this:
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