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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
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mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

sum posted:

Because no one's said it yet the answer is the same reason they never took Kiev, which is the Pripyat marshes

i thought they didn't take kiev because they attacked with an incredibly small and fail force for accomplishing that objective

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mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

wasn't russia banned from the world cup? gently caress more do they want

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

they could simply choose not to break ties with qatar at a time of critical natgas shortages

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Lostconfused posted:

I don't know why Ukrainians are making such a big deal about Bakhmut, everything seems fine

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1605163364690366464

this war is so weird. how many other wars feature the head of state going directly into the hottest parts of the warzone to do photo ops without any security issues? i can't imagine bush doing this at fallujah at its peak

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

mlmp08 posted:

Ames is leaving out that the reporting would only run afoul of law if it obtained and released classified government documents that directly harm national security. So Swedish journalists can poo poo-talk the government and international relations all they like, with no legal repercussion. The controversy is Sweden removed protections for sources who provide classified documentation that harms national security to other countries. And who really wants to be the potential criminal test case for what classified docs qualify?

liberal democracies suppressing journalism and dissent to protect their MIC and imperial obligations? that's just national security bro. totally different from when the bad authoritarian countries do it.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

stephenthinkpad posted:

IMO (with the help of a time machine), the Soviet Union needed to immudiately form OPEC+ with Saudi right after the oil crisis to counter the Carter doctrine. With lower and lower oil price, the Soviet system was unsustainable even before Gorbachev came to power.

i feel the GCC arabs were sufficiently warned to stay in line and not gently caress with america or else after the last time they used the oil weapon.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Endman posted:

drat you need to do so much reading to keep up with this thread

I know far too much about western countries importing right wing diasporas now

crepeface posted:

learning about all the different flavours of idiot right wing nationalistic ethnic groups that fight each other like they're a Pokemon element counter chart

i wonder how many of these stepan bandera glorification societies would've lasted to 1991 without direct support and funding from above

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

thatfatkid posted:

RIP to the school and kindergarten teachers of kherson.

Also al saqr, please shut the gently caress up. You dont get to makes every possible prediction and then act smug when something happens. Youre so loving tedious

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lol what the gently caress was this perma

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
https://www.hudson.org/foreign-policy/preparing-final-collapse-soviet-union-dissolution-russian-federation


Preparing for the Final Collapse of the Soviet Union


The fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 and the resignation of Mikhail Gorbachev as president of the Soviet Union in 1991 marked the start of the USSR’s collapse—but not the collapse itself. While the USSR ceased to exist as a legal entity after 1991, the collapse of the USSR is still happening today. The two Chechen Wars, Russia’s invasion of Georgia in 2008, Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2014, the on-and-off border skirmishes between Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, and the 2020 Second Karabakh War between Armenia and Azerbaijan are just a few examples showing that the Soviet Union is still collapsing today. 

However, future historians will likely describe Russia's February 2022 invasion of Ukraine as the most consequential moment, if not the final moment, of the Soviet Union’s collapse. When the war in Ukraine will end is unknown, but it will likely mark the dissolution of the Russian Federation (the legal successor of the Soviet Union) as it is known today. Russia has undeniably suffered a major blow to its economy, devastation to its military capability, and degradation of its influence in regions where it once had clout. The borders of the Russian Federation will likely not look the same on a map in 10 or 20 years as they do now. As the final collapse of the Soviet Union plays out and as the Russian Federation faces the possibility of dissolving, policymakers need to start planning for the new geopolitical reality on the Eurasian landmass.

[..]

Planning Assumptions

Although no one can predict what kind of Russia will emerge after the end of Putin’s rule, some reasonable assumptions can help policymakers plan better. These planning assumptions include: 

Russia will further fragment. The dissolution of the Russian Federation, whether de facto or de jure, could shatter Russia geopolitically. This further fragmentation will likely not be as straightforward or “clean cut” as the emergence of the 15 new states after the legal dissolution of the USSR in 1991. Policymakers should assume that further fragmentation of Russia will be more like Chechnya in 1994 (brutal conflict) than Estonia in 1991(peaceful and straightforward), for example.

What should the US do to coordinate an international response to the calls for independence and self-determination that will likely emerge across Russia? The Russian Federation consists of 83 federal entities. Many comprise people with a shared culture, history, and language different from Russia’s Slavic population. Some of these entities already have low-level independence movements.5 In the aftermath of the dissolution of the Russian Federation, policymakers should expect some of these federal entities to declare independence. The United States needs to work with its partners to coordinate a response to these calls for self-determination in a way that is aligned with US interests and is in accordance with international law.

. How can the US and its partners keep internal armed conflict from spreading after the dissolution of the Russian Federation? The breakup of the Russian Federation will likely lead to internal fighting between different centers of power. It is in America's interests that fighting and conflict remain inside the current borders of the Russian Federation and do not affect neighboring countries. So the US and willing partners will need to enhance bilateral cooperation across the Eurasian landmass to improve military, border security, law enforcement, and security sector capabilities.

How can the US and its partners coordinate economic and reconstruction assistance for regions under Russian occupation that will be liberated? Not only will the dissolution of the Russian Federation likely lead to calls for independence from certain regions inside Russia, but places where Russia currently occupies territory outside its borders will also likely be liberated. This includes Transnistria in Moldova, Abkhazia and the Tskhinvali (also known as South Ossetia) regions in Georgia, and Crimea and other places in Ukraine currently under Russian occupation. Washington will have a unique opportunity to help these US partners restore their territorial integrity inside their internationally recognized borders.

The faster and more effectively this is done, the more stable the situation will become

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Tankbuster posted:

is there a single fact to back that up?

do you doubt the credibility of a senior fella?

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Cerebral Bore posted:

i feel like that particular article should be read less as a prediction and more as a statement of intent

it's cool that they want to take on china as well while doing this. one major front at a time with a nuclear power? that poo poo's for pussies

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Cpt_Obvious posted:

The other indirect casualty of the war is the European economy so we'll see what knock-on effect that has and it ain't looking pretty so far.

lookin pretty for american industry!

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
macron was in the usa begging DC not to subsidize american industry and reshoring in return for supporting the war and the response was basically "lol"

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

spacetoaster posted:

What's going to happen to lib brains when the reality of this war (how it's going to end) actually comes to be?

I'm seeing all these people who 100% believe that Ukraine has just been owning the Russian army over, and over, and over again for months while taking almost no losses whatsoever. And they believe that the Ukrainians are all libs just like them.


Aren't you never supposed to fall for your own propaganda?

i'm not sure why it's a given that russia is going to achieve any kind of result that they can propagandize as a win.

russia lost ukraine in 2014. went from a country on mostly good terms with russia and the closest in terms of language, culture and economic ties to probably generational hatred (outside of donbass and some of the other eastern regions) regardless of whatever the end military result is.

the economic consequences are not "good" for russia, even if it has worse blowback for america's european vassals. putin is too much of an anti-communist to successfully pull off USSR style self sufficiency when cut off from trade from the western bloc.

america won. you gotta hand it to em

mila kunis has issued a correction as of 00:11 on Dec 28, 2022

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

DancingShade posted:

I'd just like to thank Bagual and Majoran for having that discussion (agreement or not, we aren't a literal hive mind). People using nuanced positions to discuss topics or explore ideas is part of why we're all here.

im not. i hate the free marketplace of ideas and would prefer the lovely iks do their job

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

euphronius posted:

Keeping Ukraine out of nato is denazification bu itself

given the level of training, arms and intelligence sharing the ukrainian forces are part of nato in all but name so if they don't succeed in a complete regime change (which looks unlikely) russia's failed again

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

euphronius posted:

yea if you ignore their success it seems like failure.

what have they succeeded at?

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

OctaMurk posted:

merkel shoulda used the time of the minsk agreement to get off russian gas lol

ok heres the plan boys, we're gonna set up ukraine to fite teh russians in the future, a war in which russia would be our indirect enemy. and in the mean time lets build some gas pipelines to russia and make our who industry, economy dependent on this enemy

it makes zero sense unless its merkel trying to cover her own rear end because "i was secretly lying to the russians!!!" plays better in the current political climate

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Futanari Damacy posted:

Ah, see? That makes all of those other ones even less correct! Facts taint other facts. :dumb:

hope he sees this bro

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Frosted Flake posted:

I’m curious what would happen if I put in for it. I do have undergrad Russian on my MPRR.

Hmmm

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkrs8O6bxr4

that trailer looks like poo poo. is this the kind of crap boomers found funny

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
e: i guess this violates thread rules so w.e

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Lostconfused posted:

What's funny is how many people want to stab germany in the back.

everyone hates ze germans

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Cao Ni Ma posted:

I cant imagine why you'd think that a noble ukrainian pagan symbol and the amount of tanks germany is sending to be nazi adjacent

also its terrible, we are all arguing in good faith with you, just like you do with us. No, we aren't taking a piss at your poo poo pedantic arguments that miss the point entirely.

This trope again? The "ukrainian nazis" thing was debunked over a year ago

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

euphronius posted:

how can a dictatorship like Ukraine even have a corruption scandal

that's easy - ukraine isn't a dictatorship. all the recent changes in leadership are due to a genuine responsiveness to the ukrainian people's frustration at corruption plaguing their government.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

ukraine has taken back 50% of the territory lost in the initial invasion last year. think they're doing pretty well all things considered. extrapolating, they will take back the rest within a year.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Nonsense posted:

Russia will lose the war and will continue to lose the war until they take Historic Odessa. Russia is an embarrassment and no longer a great power.

*odesa, but otherwise correct

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
not running out of bombs isn't a accomplishment

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Regarde Aduck posted:

it seems it'd be pretty important in a war?

depends on whether they're being used for anything useful?

when the war first started my immediate thought was that 150k or whatever looked like a completely unrealistic number of troops with which to defeat a militarized country the size of ukraine and now they're kind of stuck.

what's the current strategy? keep grinding down tiny towns and villages a few hundred metres a month and hope that ukraine will suddenly topple over?

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

V. Illych L. posted:

the present strategy seems to be adding up the pressure to prevent the ukrainians from regrouping and resuming an effective offensive, presumably until the ukrainian state collapses. there have been increasingly persistent rumors that the russians are planning a more serious mobile offensive shortly, but who knows about those - any achievable objectives would presumably not amount to directly knocking ukraine out of the war, but could result in another sieverodonetsk-style quasi-encirclement where the ukrainians lose a few thousand increasingly precious high-quality troops. in the longer term, russia seems to have more of a capacity to keep this thing going than ukraine has, being largely self-sufficient and in the process of increasing its relationships with powers who don't really have that much of a problem with what they're up to in ukraine as opposed to being at the complete mercy of foreign sponsors for both arms and cash transfers

it's not pretty and i doubt that it's what the russians were hoping for when they launched this invasion, but it's very dangerous to assume that it's a hopeless strategy.

if vietnam didn't crumble and run out of manpower against a far more brutal and murderous invader, why would ukraine?

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Cuttlefush posted:

i think ff and gradenko have posted about this comparison multiple times when people bring it up but even without their help you should be able to come up with a few reasons why the situations are not comparable

the situations are certainly different, in that the ukrainians are in a far better position than the vietnamese (who still won) ?

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

euphronius posted:

are you saying Russia is the anti colonist and popular army in this metaphor

I mean. ok ?

???

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Hatebag posted:

The ussr provided vietnam with thousands of tanks, jets, bombers, and aa guns, as well as sam batteries and over 10k specialists to operate and maintain equipment in an area that's historically unconquerable jungle/mountain environment but that's probably equivalent to the us giving a bunch of rocket launchers to nazis in a mud pit

the war didn't start in 2022. the ukrainian military has been built up in the 8 years preceding with training and supplies probably superior to what the ussr gave to north vietnam

even if that isn't the case, the mud pit nazis seem to have clawed back a lot of territory and maintained a cohesive state in the face of the invasion. i just don't see how taking a couple of podunk villages a month is going to lead to ukrainian defeat.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

crepeface posted:

going slow into ukraine has had the effect of letting the west show its whole rear end, diplomatically speaking (with china/india and smaller players like iran and turkey). even japan is quietly telling euros to get hosed with their sanctions.

russia RUSHIN' in with everything they got may have triggered some kind of immediate conflict rather than the West drip feeding their materiel into the bear's mouth.

they also probably weren't sure exactly how well their economy would hold up against sanctions so i imagine there was a lot of trying to feel out their allies. i think everyone was surprised at how independent india ended up acting.

india has got 1 and half billion people and some pretty severe energy needs they can't afford to gently caress russia off.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
the russians are the biggest cucks in the world if there isn't retaliatory sabotage against american infrastructure

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

mlmp08 posted:

One of Hersh’s claims I’ve found suspect was when he argued that Hillary Clinton is a hawk due to Jewish money and influential Jews.

I think Clinton would be a hawk anyway. Hersh argues that Jews and their money turned her into a hawk. Hersh argues that there is no other explanation for Clinton being a hawk, because she’s too smart to be such a hawk without Jewish moneyed influences.

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whatever your opinions on russia, ukraine, the american empire, NATO, etc i think we can all come together to agree that mlmp08 should be chain probed until he can't post anywhere

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
the usa did everything correctly. they've slammed the door shut on any cooperation between russia and europe and cowed the EU into subservience to american producers and interests. russian soldiers are dying without having to shed any american blood.

the next step is cutting europe off from china, and also china off from south america/africa. it'd take a lot of creativity to pull off but never write off the defending champions

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Weka posted:

This is true. Those nazis are a dagger pointed at Russia.

the "ukrainian nazis" trope has been debunked for over a year now

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Turtle Sandbox posted:

Tell them to stop wearing Nazi insignias and lauding long dead Nazis.

I guess bandera fanboys aren't Nazis, just heroes.

if wearing nazi insignia automatically made you a nazi then half the british royal family are nazis

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

speng31b posted:

eh, i think it's good that majorian doesn't personally hate the thread since he mods it.

az hating the thread is not new. he was openly posting in the Glenn zone about how much he hated this thread even before the qcs kerfuffle. It's really not surprising, posting about war (even with no gore, just light humor and news updates) is not for everyone, and the longer the war drags on the more like abyss gazing it becomes.

you can't begrudge anyone for hating this thread. war sucks. hopefully that's different from hating the people who post in the thread, which i assume it is lol

half the drama about this thread has nothing to do with the war and more to do with permanent personal grudges that've developed over the years on this site because of pro vs anti american political opinions

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mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
its funny that Imran Khan got couped just in time for the american puppet government to take the blame on all the economic fuckups when he was just as responsible

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