Aeronautical Insanity: switching to secondary tolerances

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Cable Guy: Jul 18, 2005; I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...; Slippery Tilde

Deptfordx posted:

Which crazy scheme to shoot down B-17's was this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_177_Greif#Variants

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He 177 A-5 Grosszerst�rer

Anti-bomber variant based on the He 177 A-5, armed with up to 33 spin-stabilized 21 cm (8� in) calibre rockets obliquely mounted in fuselage, replacing bomb bays and auxiliary fuel tanks, and most likely based on components of the 21 cm Nebelwerfer 42 infantry barrage rocket system. Five examples delivered in January 1944 for operational trials. Abandoned due to increasing numbers of Allied air supremacy fighters.

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# ¿ May 11, 2024 11:10

Cable Guy: Jul 18, 2005; I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...; Slippery Tilde

slidebite posted:

Yes, another revolutionary aircraft design...

# ¿ Mar 24, 2021 06:56

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BIG HEADLINE posted:

Those are load bearing engines.

Load bearing firewalls...

# ¿ Mar 28, 2021 11:55

Cable Guy: Jul 18, 2005; I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...; Slippery Tilde

slidebite posted:

And no injuries. Nice.

snipped pic

Is it just me, or has the tail gathered a noticeable droop...

# ¿ May 14, 2021 07:01

Cable Guy: Jul 18, 2005; I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...; Slippery Tilde

BIG HEADLINE posted:

New thread title.

Seconded.

# ¿ Jun 1, 2021 07:25

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Ola posted:

Pretty astonishing finding in a Norwegian accident report.

Short version: Helicopter pilot feels mechanical vibration, decides to land and check it out. No chip light or other warnings. While searching for a good spot, it gets worse and just before he can set it down, the main gearbox fails and the helicopter crashes from 2-3 m height. Both occupants uninjured. Investigation finds a snapped input shaft containing two wine corks. Someone has probably thought that end plug was causing an oil leak and fixed it with some fluid containment devices presumably readily available in the workshop. The real source of the oil leak was a propagating crack.

The gearbox apparently had a spotty maintenance record from time in Italy, partly with the company "Copter & Boat�s Dream".

Full report: https://havarikommisjonen.no/Aviation/Published-reports/2021-07

If that had happened at height, would a gear-box failure be an auto-rotate situation, or a bend-over and kiss your arse good-bye?

# ¿ Jun 30, 2021 10:57

Cable Guy: Jul 18, 2005; I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...; Slippery Tilde

FuturePastNow posted:

Got to post the Dornier 24 spinning out:

https://i.imgur.com/E4FqJ6g.mp4

Uh... full left rudder on landing.... He's not doing that deliberately is he....?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G16dW_PEAZY

Is he...?

# ¿ Jul 27, 2021 12:47

Cable Guy: Jul 18, 2005; I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...; Slippery Tilde

Humphreys posted:

I'm even bigger of a douchebag on the radio/phone asking for clarification on "oh' and 'zero' even if I know it's a phone number. Gone as far as printing little phonetic alphabet cheatsheets for the idiots at work that start using Wheel of Fortune phonetics for letters.

I have this one pinned at my work station and have sometimes even gone so far as using (some of) it....

Hey... at least it's better than the version I heard one ex employee use...

quote:

S for Sad
K for Kill
E for Everybody

"You uh... you feeling ok there Joseph...?"

Humphreys posted:

I am extremely interested in this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV5vIyeVLdA

# ¿ Dec 16, 2021 04:53

Cable Guy: Jul 18, 2005; I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...; Slippery Tilde

Cross posting from the OSHA thread...

waffle iron posted:

A small airplane did a landing on a rail line. Then later on the plane was hit by a train. Looking forward to that NTSB report.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/1-hospitalized-after-single-engine-plane-crashes-near-whiteman-airport-in-sylmar-lafd/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp1VM_iFDys

# ¿ Jan 10, 2022 03:15

Cable Guy: Jul 18, 2005; I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...; Slippery Tilde

~Coxy posted:

It's not a hot dog, it's a BBQ sausage!

... and they're usually two or three dollars so the change was probably a bribe for the assist, and probably spent on a coupla-snags (sausages).

:australia:

# ¿ Feb 10, 2022 05:29

Cable Guy: Jul 18, 2005; I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...; Slippery Tilde

slidebite posted:

https://youtu.be/2b7YBoSVjoQ

Little blurb on the YF23 including some stuff I never knew about (Naval version?)

Better video in my opnion...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-9rG8gydTw

# ¿ Jun 1, 2022 11:41

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goatsestretchgoals posted:

Head in the Clouds is still a brilliant name for a blimp/future air tech whorehouse.

Third base for the Mile High Club....

# ¿ Jun 28, 2022 04:34

Cable Guy: Jul 18, 2005; I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...; Slippery Tilde

Sorry... double post...

Phanatic posted:

Fits thread title.

https://twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1540994831555727363

I'm sure I've seen this in a toy set....

# ¿ Jun 28, 2022 06:08

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Wingnut Ninja posted:

Herculeez nuts

# ¿ Jul 15, 2022 06:01

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Humphreys posted:

Looks like they have to call in some specialist lifting gear to get this bogged fella out. Do note we have had a LOT of torrential rain prior to this so RIP.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-16/recovery-efforts-continue-for-bogged-rockhampton-airport-plane/

Your link is busted but it looks like they got it out...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-16/recovery-efforts-continue-for-bogged-rockhampton-airport-plane/101241174

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A bogged QantasLink aircraft has been removed from soft ground at the Rockhampton Airport, five days after it became stuck while taxiing.

Doesn't say how, just that the equipment they thought they needed wasn't in Rocky... maybe they brute forced it.

Cable Guy fucked around with this message at 12:01 on Jul 16, 2022

# ¿ Jul 16, 2022 11:59

Cable Guy: Jul 18, 2005; I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...; Slippery Tilde

American jets: *whistle*

British jets: *howl*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db8lED0dpjQ

# ¿ Aug 9, 2022 04:31

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PhotoKirk posted:

Didn't they sample the Lightning to use for TIE fighter sounds?

If my recall of "The Making of Star Wars" is correct from forty odd years ago, I think they used motor-bikes screaming through a concrete pedestrian tunnel.

Fake edit: Huh.... seems I was wrong...

quote:

Sound designer Ben Burtt created the distinctive TIE fighter sound effect by combining an elephant call with a car driving on wet pavement

# ¿ Aug 10, 2022 11:41

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pbpancho posted:

This is an awesome museum with a bunch of super weird and interesting aircraft. And about 30 MiG-21s of various flavors.

That is one smug mug....

:smug:

# ¿ Aug 31, 2022 02:09

Cable Guy: Jul 18, 2005; I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...; Slippery Tilde

gently caress...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...obox=1662360559

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Private jet flies across Europe into Baltic Sea after losing radio contact

Fighter jets scrambled to make contact �saw no one� in plane carrying family of three from Spain to Cologne

^{^{The flight path of the Cessna 551, from Spain across France and Germany into the sea off the Latvian coast.

Photograph: Flight radar 24}}

A private jet carrying four people that was due to land in Germany but which continued to fly across Europe as air traffic controllers tried unsuccessfully to make contact crashed off the Latvian coast, authorities said.

The jet �was flying between Spain and Cologne but when it changed course, air traffic controllers were not able to make contact�, the Latvian civil aviation agency said in a statement.

The German newspaper Bild said that the plane had reported shortly after takeoff that there was a problem with pressurisation in the cabin.

Fighter jets from Germany, Denmark and Sweden were scrambled to try to make contact with the crew in the air as the plane continued to fly across northern Europe, �but they saw no one�, Swedish search and rescue operation leader Lars Antonsson told AFP.

The plane, an Austrian-registered Cessna 551, flew over Swedish airspace in the Baltic Sea before crashing into the sea off Ventspils just before 8pm (1800 GMT).

The plane flew relatively steadily until it neared the Latvian coast, when it rapidly lost altitude. It crashed �when it ran out of fuel�, Antonsson said.

The nationalities of the four onboard were not immediately known. German media said the passengers were a family of three � a man, a woman and their daughter � in addition to the pilot.

�Rescue teams with boats and helicopters from Latvia, Lithuania and Sweden are working at the crash site,� the Latvian aviation agency said.

�No human remains have been found,� Antonsson added.

It is not known what caused the plane to fly off course.

�We have no explanation at all, we can only speculate� about what happened, Antonsson said, �but they were clearly incapacitated onboard�.

Agence France-Presse and Associated Press contributed to this report.

# ¿ Sep 5, 2022 10:33

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Platystemon posted:

https://i.imgur.com/YeQCnwc.mp4

Goddam that would be (even more) awesome if we had sound...

# ¿ Sep 8, 2022 08:14

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Nebakenezzer posted:

Speaking of 747s, I tried to find out what happened to that zero hours 747-8i the Saudis let sit for a decade, but I've not had much luck.

Looks like they moved it to Pinal Airpark in April

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/boeing-747-8-n458bj-boeing/ey1q1d

it's being scrapped...

https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/saudi-princes-rs-2254-crore-boeing-747-is-being-scrapped-after-sitting-idle-for-10-years-5114689.html

# ¿ Nov 12, 2022 23:11

Cable Guy: Jul 18, 2005; I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...; Slippery Tilde

Carth Dookie posted:

anyone built an ornithoper that could carry a person? (and live?)

Some...

https://ornithopter.org/history.manned.shtml

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Lippisch constructed an ornithopter and began tests. A young pilot and athlete, Hans Werner Krause, was selected to fly this machine. Since a small engine could have done the job better, he didn't feel inclined to expend much effort. Lippisch promised Krause a vacation if he could reach a predetermined mark at about 250-300 meters from launch. The goal was achieved.

Although Lippisch declared the flight a success, some other people competing for the claim of first manned ornithopter have expressed their doubts.

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Because his talents were needed in the war effort, Lippisch was not able to continue his ornithopter work. Therefore it was Adalbert Schmid who constructed the small-flapper manned ornithopter that seemed to follow logically from what had been done so far.

On June 26th, 1942, Schmid's ornithopter shown here made a flight of 900 meters at a constant 20 meters above the ground near Munich. The pilot, Mueller, also supplied the power to flap the wings. This ornithopter still relied on a tow launch.

However, Schmid went beyond the limitations of muscle-powered flight by putting an engine in this ornithopter. [Ref. 2] With a 3 hp Sachs motorcycle engine, the ornithopter was able to take off unassisted from the ground. Schmid's ornithopter may have used a dolly with wheels that could be jettisoned after takeoff. This practice was commonly used in early glider type aircraft and was also used by Lippisch in the Me 163. Schmid's ornithopter made a quiet 15-minute flight at about 60 kilometers per hour. Then a 6 hp engine was installed, increasing the speed to 80 kph. After these historic accomplishments, Schmid's work was interrupted by the war.

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A team at the University of Toronto Institute for Aerospace Studies, led by James DeLaurier, constructed an ornithopter in the 1990s which had comparatively smaller fixed wing area. This ornithopter made a 14-second flight in 2006. It was assisted by a small jet engine, but the flapping wings did most of the work.

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The four-winged ornithopter design showed it is possible to greatly reduce the body oscillation, an important step toward a practical manned aircraft. Toporov's ornithoper is significant for another reason. With much greater wing area, and the greatly improved efficiency of the four-winged design, it is quite likely that this aircraft sustained flight with muscle power alone, rather than relying on the energy of the tow launch.

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The University of Toronto Institute for Aerospace Studies followed its manned, engine-powered ornithopter attempt with a human-powered ornithopter called the Snowbird. The project was led by Todd Reichert. The human-powered ornithopter was designed to have a large wing area, in order to minimize the power requirement. It was powered by a leg-press motion, and only the outer portions of the wings were made to flap, thus addressing the need to match the flapping rate with the optimal rate of cycling the muscles. As with previous human-powered ornithoper attempts, the Snowbird relied on a tow launch. [Ref. 5] I had suggested to Reichert that in order to document a sustained flight, he would have to measure not just the height, but also the speed of the aircraft, over time. These measurements are difficult to make, and Reichert went to great lengths to collect the required data. Unfortunately, I failed to anticipate one serious problem. The wing flapping causes a cyclical fluctuation in both the height and speed of the aircraft. Thus, it was still difficult to assess whether a sustained flight was made

There's pics in the link

# ¿ Nov 20, 2022 03:37

Cable Guy: Jul 18, 2005; I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...; Slippery Tilde

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Trying to decide if a 747 with two massive engines would work aesthetically.

bull3964 posted:

That's the wrong question.

The question is why shouldn't we have a 747 with 4 massive engines.

Porque no los dos?

# ¿ Dec 8, 2022 03:44

Cable Guy: Jul 18, 2005; I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...; Slippery Tilde

I've used a couple of those on calls....

# ¿ Jan 19, 2023 02:59

Cable Guy: Jul 18, 2005; I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...; Slippery Tilde

I remember working for a small web hosting provider with one guy whose job was on the line. He sort of knew he was going to be sacked in the next day or so and was a little depressed by it. It got particularly concerning though when I heard him running through a new passport with a customer on the phone...

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- Ok... so it's the number one.... then seven... then s as in uh... "sad".... k as in uh... "kill" , e as in "everybody"....

Fortunately this was Melbourne, Australia so I knew there was minimal chance of it going further but it still weirded the gently caress out of me.

# ¿ Jan 19, 2023 04:11

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I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Australian Spy Balloon

# ¿ Feb 6, 2023 09:13

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Humphreys posted:

Just saw pics of the wreckage of the 737 in WA. Amazing how the crew survived that.

Jesus... they walked into the hospital 'unscathed' after being transported there.

loving miracle.

Cable Guy fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Feb 7, 2023

# ¿ Feb 7, 2023 13:37

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mobby_6kl posted:

Except in the ground attack role

# ¿ Feb 8, 2023 14:01

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tactlessbastard posted:

You can also keep an eye out for Sukhois!

Do they still use the 007 flight number at all or did that get retired?

# ¿ Mar 2, 2023 04:16

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Humphreys posted:

I got sent this with no reference except "Thats day 1 done. Big wall of fire"

Avalon airshow display...? That's on this weekend.

Edit: Yep... last event on the program.

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21:06 ______ Wall of Fire and Fireworks ______ 'Better than New Year's Eve!'

Cable Guy fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Mar 5, 2023

# ¿ Mar 5, 2023 01:03

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Humphreys posted:

Some wicked Wedgetail crew patches:

Cross-quoted to the CWAP thread... these are awesome

# ¿ Mar 9, 2023 02:23

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I would blow Dane Cook posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/14/russian-fighter-jet-collides-us-drone-black-sea-crash

From other threads I understand that there is going to be a release of video of the incident once it's cleared.

This is not that video.... :argh:

# ¿ Mar 15, 2023 05:32

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Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Looks like a Grumman Albatross to me.

You can use the measure tool to get dimensions and I think it's a little too small to be that...
Length c. 18m Wingspan c. 25m
vs the Albatross
Length 19.15m Wingspan 29.46m

# ¿ Mar 19, 2023 03:24

Cable Guy: Jul 18, 2005; I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...; Slippery Tilde

The Junkers Klf 255 seems dated...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QGKLygwEkI

# ¿ Apr 1, 2023 10:04

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Platystemon posted:

Vintage:

Phanatic posted:

Ban this sick filth.

There is actually a really good bad-rear end story behind this.

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On 29 September 1940, a mid-air collision occurred over Brocklesby, New South Wales, Australia. The accident was unusual in that the aircraft involved, two Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) Avro Ansons of No. 2 Service Flying Training School, remained locked together after colliding, and then landed safely. The collision stopped the engines of the upper Anson, but those of the machine underneath continued to run, allowing the aircraft to keep flying. Both navigators and the pilot of the lower Anson bailed out. The pilot of the upper Anson found that he was able to control the interlocked aircraft with his ailerons and flaps, and made an emergency landing in a nearby paddock. All four crewmen survived the incident, and the upper Anson was repaired and returned to flight service.

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The Ansons were at an altitude of 300 metres (1,000 ft) over the township of Brocklesby, near Albury, when they made a banking turn. Fuller lost sight of Hewson's aircraft beneath him and the two Ansons collided amid what Fuller later described as a "grinding crash and a bang as roaring propellers struck each other and bit into the engine cowlings". The aircraft remained jammed together, the lower Anson's turret wedged into the other's port wing root, and its fin and rudder balancing the upper Anson's port tailplane.

Both of the upper aircraft's engines had been knocked out in the collision but those of the one below continued to turn at full power as the interlocked Ansons began to slowly circle. Fuller described the "freak combination" as "lumping along like a brick". He nevertheless found that he was able to control the piggybacking pair of aircraft with his ailerons and flaps, and began searching for a place to land. The two navigators, Sinclair and Fraser, bailed out, followed soon after by the lower Anson's pilot, Hewson, whose back had been injured when the spinning blades of the other aircraft sliced through his fuselage.

Fuller travelled 8 kilometres (5 mi) after the collision, then successfully made an emergency pancake landing in a large paddock 6 kilometres (4 mi) south-west of Brocklesby. The locked aircraft slid 180 metres (200 yd) across the grass before coming to rest. As far as Fuller was concerned, the touchdown was better than any he had made when practising circuits and bumps at Forest Hill airfield the previous day. His acting commanding officer, Squadron Leader Cooper, declared the choice of improvised runway "perfect", and the landing itself as a "wonderful effort". The RAAF's Inspector of Air Accidents, Group Captain Arthur "Spud" Murphy, flew straight to the scene from Air Force Headquarters in Melbourne, accompanied by his deputy Henry Winneke. Fuller told Murphy

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Well, sir, I did everything we've been told to do in a forced landing�land as close as possible to habitation or a farmhouse and, if possible, land into the wind. I did all that. There's the farmhouse, and I did a couple of circuits and landed into the wind. She was pretty heavy on the controls, though!

"Pretty heavy on the controls..." :hmmyes:

# ¿ Jul 14, 2023 05:56

Cable Guy: Jul 18, 2005; I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...; Slippery Tilde

Godholio posted:

It was a firefighting helo and a skycrane...which doesn't sound like a news helo.

They were both involved in firefighting operations of different roles....

The article posted:

A Bell helicopter flown by a contract pilot with a California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection (Cal Fire) division chief and a Cal Fire air captain on board was in an observer-coordinator role when it collided with a Sikorsky Skycrane helicopter while battling the brush fire, according to the Riverside County Sheriff's Dept. All three men on the Bell helicopter died. Two people on the Sikorsky, which landed safely, were uninjured.

The Sikorsky is believed to have been dropping water or fire retardant during the brush fire response. Fixed-wing aircraft were also part of the firefighting effort.

# ¿ Aug 8, 2023 13:04

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Two Kings posted:

Feels like it will be 20 years until we see a new Boeing model.

Bring back the 757 and slap some new engines on it.

Hi donny... how was Atlanta..?

# ¿ Aug 25, 2023 14:29

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Platystemon posted:

Some old motorcars used wooden brakes.

Maybe it can work for Russia.

Some brakes use graphite....

quote:

The Russians used a pencil

# ¿ Sep 14, 2023 08:51

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVZ8BTWBlIE&t=278s

:dogstare:

Should be time-stamped at 4m 38sec for a cropped view. Rest of the vid is just an open-sourced analysis of the incident by the channel owner.

# ¿ Sep 30, 2023 03:29

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# ¿ May 11, 2024 11:10

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Cactus Ghost posted:

is that two turbojets on a tank turret

Sure is....

https://youtu.be/j7Ss3BMrscE?si=oKyrBI8eLzPRKIAM

Big Wind. Hungarian engineers took a Russian T34 tank and strapped MiG-21 jet engines to the top.

Cable Guy fucked around with this message at 10:24 on Oct 9, 2023

# ¿ Oct 9, 2023 10:20

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