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Avshalom posted:i'd fighrt for the existnece mof our people with my FISTS Merry christmas avshalom have fun and stay safe!!!
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It's weird that you're evaluating Hamas's attacks as if killing Israelis (either civilian or military) was the primary goal, when in fact it's just a means of shoring up popular support in Gaza. Effectiveness isn't the issue, it's about showing actual resistance to Israel. Which is why rocket and mortar attacks can't really be resolved with military force. No matter how hard the retaliation is, Hamas is still going to have rockets and mortars, and the will to use them will only grow stronger.
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Jan 8, 2016 14:39
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Israel sprays herbicide on Gaza farmland because seriously do you even have to loving ask.quote:On January 7, a low-flying agricultural aircraft sprayed herbicides on to Palestinian farmlands along the eastern border, eradicating or damaging up to 162 hectares of crops and farmland along the Israeli border fence. ANIME AKBAR fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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Jan 27, 2016 14:05
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The Insect Court posted:Or if you want an actually good suggestion read 'Righteous Victims' by Benny Morris instead of anything by Khalidi. I'm not going to disagree with this, reading stuff from the Israeli New Historians is a good way to understand the twisted perspective of many Israelis/radical zionists. However New Historians still present an incredibly biased view of the conflict's history, since they rely almost exclusively on Israeli sources for building their arguments (which many of them will acknowledge). The Question of Palestine is definitely good, but obviously isn't up to date.
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Jan 30, 2016 14:22
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75% is far beyond any estimate I've heard (more like 25-50%). Still an insane fraction, easily enough to put them back a century or so. And the anti-romani animus in Europe is absolutely shocking. I've had a few western European colleagues and it's stormfront level poo poo, and these are people with PhDs.
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Feb 24, 2016 05:38
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Baloogan posted:I agree entirely. This is hilarious but also a bit creepy. I hope you'd take it down if she asked you to... not everyone wants to be a prophet.
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Mar 5, 2016 15:24
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Xandu posted:It was mostly just the headline. Don't know why they want to re-start negotiations in the final year of his term at a time when Netanyahu won't even meet with him. Because letting France take the lead on the issue would hurt America's big boy pride.
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Mar 8, 2016 14:22
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emanresu tnuocca posted:So, apparently Manslaughter charges are also soon to be off the table, the military judge presiding the case Lt. Col Ronen Shor has decreed that the soldier may be released from custody and return to his unit in the decree he writes "The evidence is insufficient to determine whether the soldier genuinely feared that the terrorist was in possession of a bomb, it is possible that the soldier merely exceeded his own authority in his actions" ... "From the documentation it is apparent that there are certain elements in the vicinity who are warning the suspect that the terrorist might be wearing an explosive device". But seriously I'm a bit shocked that they think the video can be swept under the rug.
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Apr 1, 2016 13:04
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hakimashou posted:So, almost 2 years ago Hamas and other jihad groups in Gaza tried violence in earnest against Israel, giving it their best shot. The Israelis responded with Operation Protective Edge and continued until the attacks on Israel stopped. Oh come on, you have to wait more than two years before you can tell such a huge lie and expect to not get called on it. On june 30th, Hamas fired its first rocket since 2012, in response to Israeli airstrikes which killed a Hamas member. No honest, clear-headed observer could come to the conclusion that Hamas instigated protective edge. Or brother's keeper, for that matter.
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Apr 7, 2016 13:19
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hakimashou posted:You narrowed it down! Nope, not going to take the bait. I just wanted make it clear that you're a poor liar. If this were 1944 I suppose you would have been wagging your finger after the Warsaw uprising. Silly Poles should have known better, right?
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Apr 8, 2016 04:31
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Kim Jong Il posted:The kidnappings were done by a Hamas member and planned by a rogue faction, albeit acting independently of leadership. quote:It was not full scale Protective Edge until Hamas proper started strikes in early July quote:in an effort to ratchet up pressure, before then it was just tit for tat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cZSS8eP3l4
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Apr 8, 2016 12:39
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Kim Jong Il posted:No, I believe that promising to remove group A and replace them with group B is ethnic cleansing. Then surely you'd be satisfied if the Jewish settlers were allowed to remain but the territory containing the settlements would be under the control of the Palestinian state, correct?
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Jun 11, 2016 22:45
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Suppose you are walking down the streets of Gaza City and you come upon two youths locked in a struggle. Conveniently one is clad in an IDF uniform while the other wears a green headband. As you cautiously move towards them to inspect the situation, you notice that the Israeli soldier has the Palestinian in a firm chokehold. The Palestinian's face is noticeably turning blue, his eyes are glazing, but his limbs trash about erratically. Occasionally a fingernail scratches the Israeli's face, or an elbow bruises his ribs. This startles the Israeli, allowing the Palestinian to steal a small gasp of air. But otherwise the Israeli maintains his firm submission hold. After watching for what seems like decades, you address the Israeli: "Sir, could you not let this man go?" The Israeli replies: "I would like to let him go, but I obviously cannot until he completely stops resisting."
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Jul 3, 2016 19:52
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Alternate ending: You walk past the two youths, roll your eyes, and think to yourself:Baloogan posted:Israelis and Palestinians should stop killing each other.
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Jul 3, 2016 19:53
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Dead Reckoning posted:Except that the prelude to this was that the Israeli and the Palestinian were trying to kill the poo poo out of each other, and every time someone asks the Palestinian of he will attack the Israeli again if he lets him go, the Palestinian says that final status questions like whether or not the Israeli should be killed cannot be addressed until the Israeli releases him and gives him back his knife. "Like I said before, I would like to let him go, but I obviously cannot until he completely stops resisting."
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Jul 3, 2016 23:59
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Kim Jong Il posted:Arafat, of course, has an incentive to lie, given that he planned and started the second intifada in an attempt to extract additional concessions from Barak.
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Jul 6, 2016 04:46
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Xander77 posted:Would it be accurate to state that the Apartheid situation - a number of theoretically independent "bantustan" states under the actual control of a different state - is what the Israeli side was thinking of as a viable compromise / improvement during the peace talks? That basically was the operating definition of a "state" during the camp david talks, though all the Bantustans would have been under some sort of common Palestinian governing body. But that entity, call it whatever you want, would not have most of the powers or privileges commonly associated with statehood (control of borders and airspace, the right to make treaties, the right to have a standing military, etc). People who blame Arafat for killing the Camp David talks aren't 100% wrong. He did reject their offers, because they were all poo poo.
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Jul 6, 2016 07:06
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Kim Jong Il posted:If you weren't a lazy sack of poo poo arguing in bad faith, you'd type Clinton & Arafat into Google and pull up his well sourced quotes from his autobiography (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/ClintonMyLife.html), or this result is in the first page as well: http://www.timesofisrael.com/bill-clinton-palestinians-were-offered-temple-mount-in-2000 . All of the American negotiators are on the record with similar comments. quote:This is a matter of emphasis and I disagree. It could have been solved, it was ultimately a scapegoat given how close a deal was. Arafat threw a temper tantrum and left because he knew he would be blamed for surrendering the right of return, and wanted to extract more concessions through the use of force.
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Jul 7, 2016 12:07
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Kim Jong Il posted:Same for conspiracy theories. Some of what I've said is widely argued about, but for instance there is documentation of individual Fatah members saying that the second intifada was planned long in advance. What imaginary quotations? ANIME AKBAR fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Jul 14, 2016 |
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Jul 14, 2016 04:50
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Kim Jong Il posted:They were in direct negotiations at the time with Labor, and can point to the first intifada, which dramatically improved their negotiating position. So yeah if you turn reality on its head you're sort of correct.
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Jul 17, 2016 03:56
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Al-Saqr posted:Good. That white Polish European racist colonialist was a war criminal terrorist who committed mass murder and ethnic cleansing and helped invade and occupy multiple countries, him and his other white European racist shits cuased massive terror and loss of life to the people of multiple countries and helped flatten Beirut in 1982. I'm sad though that he he didn't spend at least a decade gurgling and making GBS threads himself like Sharon did. From what I know, Peres was much like Rabin. He was first and foremost a true believer in the Zionist project, but also believed in restraint and some amount of compromise. Compared to the current administration he's Nelson loving Mandela.
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Sep 28, 2016 12:54
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Slanderer posted:Comparing him to Nelson Mandela is pretty funny, considering he offered to sell nukes to the South African government in 1975. Obviously that was hyperbole. We know Peres couldn't be that good because he was never assassinated.
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Sep 29, 2016 14:09
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Secular Humanist posted:Just out of curiosity; are there any actions\attitudes of the Palestinian people and\or Hamas that people itt condemn? I read this thread a lot and I often get the impression that people think Israel just kills and oppresses and makes people generally miserable for the fun of it like North Korea or something. And no doubt some Israelis do, I'd never suggest there aren't lots of legitimately bigoted Muslim-hating Jews in Israel. But I mean... the whole Hamas genocidal charter thing, does it not matter because they can never possibly achieve it, or because they're just kidding about it, or what? Both sides do lots of hosed up things, but Palestine's share of the condemnation always seems conspicuously absent from these conversations. I won't hesitate to condemn Hamas' use of terror tactics, most notably the use of suicide bombers in public places during the second Intifada. Same with Qassam rockets, though they're so ineffectual that that they're barely worth mentioning. On the other hand, I recognize other tactics, such as abducting IDF soldiers and smuggling tunnels, as valid resistance tactics. The Hamas Charter is irrelevant. It's like criticizing the US for originally having a lovely constitution that allowed slavery, etc. But to my knowledge, Hamas never came up with a means of revising their charter, so they're sort of stuck with it. What is relevant is the numerous peace offers Hamas has made in the past, including recognization of Israel in exchange for a long term truce. In general anyone who brings up the Hamas charter can be assumed to be a shill who is not interested in peace, or intellectual honesty.
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Sep 30, 2016 13:06
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Avshalom posted:there's nothing on earth that can be compared to the cry of the jewess. my bearded clamshell parts its lips and emits a hollow keening that pierces your deepest loins; instantly you are powerfully aroused and desperately aware of how small and insignificant your penis is in comparison to the vastness of the universe. the hairs rise on the back of your neck. involuntary tears well in your eyes. my breasts are beyond measure and i suffer from a total eclipse of the rear end. i am a masterpiece; i am a sculpture; i am literally the statue of liberty, my thighs straddling new york, and the flaming torch i hold aloft is my ghost lover's impassioned cock that gives me strength and light even in the depths of nuclear winter. (ariel had a bioluminescent cock, the knesset's best-kept secret) Is that book of avshalom website still around?
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Jan 29, 2017 04:23
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Kim Jong Il posted:and it would result in a one state with an Arab majority.
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Jul 23, 2017 00:18
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As others have pointed out, that narrative is absurd because it implies the terms of the deal were fair and just, and that Arafat turned it down out of pride or stupidity. That's an obvious lie when you actually look at the final terms. You generally avoid talking about the actual substance of the talks (or anything in general), in favor of Arafat did 9/28 conspiracy theories.
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Aug 1, 2017 13:05
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Kim Jong Il posted:the Netanyahus of the world It's really obvious that you're trying to agree with basic theoretical principles of decency in order to not come off as a monster, but at the same time you squirm every time you're prompted to actually apply those principles to reality. Which is how you end writing up absurd posts like this.
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Dec 10, 2017 18:36
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Nameless_Steve posted:You say the Palestinians' peacefulness has never worked out. What peacefulness? What is the longest period of peaceful protests by Palestinians unmarred by violent incidents? You can't throw rocks and stab soldiers one week, have a peaceful protest the next, and expect everything to change in that one week. It takes time to wash off the stank of violence from your movement and establish that this is a period of peaceful protest. It simply has not been tried. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_ceasefire But as we all know, there is no excuse trivial enough for Israel to engage in collective punishment, even if the justification was fabricated from whole cloth. But go ahead, keep dragging those goalposts.  edit: VVVVV so the First Intifada was an "attack" which was "launched" by Arafat, lmao ANIME AKBAR fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Mar 12, 2018 |
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Mar 12, 2018 05:08
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Kim Jong Il posted:Israel claimed that Hamas was digging a tunnel into their territory, and about to launch an attack. quote:That started because of rocket attacks, not the kidnappings. We really need a  that instead says "Liar!"
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Mar 13, 2018 12:46
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Nameless_Steve posted:They don't need to prove it was specifically for arms nor for an imminent attack. ANIME AKBAR fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Mar 24, 2018 |
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Mar 24, 2018 01:15
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Yeah I still recall vividly the day the narrative for Pillar of Defense changed from "wipe out Hamas/stop the rockets" to "destroy all the tunnels." Later it was reported that when the IDF ground invasion started, they encountered practically no organized resistance and were just going around wrecking poo poo until they realized that it wasn't turning into the righteous, telegenic invasion they planned on. That's when it became all about tunnels.
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Mar 24, 2018 04:20
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Kim Jong Il posted:Hamas won the 2006 parliamentary elections, which had nothing to do with them taking over Gaza from Fatah by force 18 months later.
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Apr 1, 2018 05:26
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Kim Jong Il posted:No one has ever actually explained how the right of return is practical. It's all a bunch of hand waiving. Either it's "symbolic" and most won't take it, or they'll de facto self segregate, or they'll literally return to their pre-1948 homes that other people live in now, who will then become homeless. Which is it? Like, for example, formally recognizing that Palestinians have the right of return at all in the first place. Doing so would not necessarily mean that right will be %100 fulfilled, but it would likely bring Palestinians to the negotiating table by giving them something to negotiate with other than "bend the knee to Israel." You already know this, of course. You'll continue to ignore it though. I'm just spelling it out for the sake of others who might be interested.
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Jul 9, 2018 14:35
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zapplez posted:Actually willing to learn more. I come from a perspective of a Canadian kid who grew up with a lot of Jewish classmates and we had holocaust survivors visit our school, and the way Israel was taught to us in history class was in a very western, ww2 way. I'd like to read more about this subject. Honestly skimming the thread is a decent place to start. There are good book recommendations scattered here and there. The question of palestine by Said, and maybe one of Benny Morris's books, is a decent place to start.
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Jul 11, 2018 12:48
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Kim Jong Il posted:You heard Paine, if it's not banned by the ceasefire, it's not a provocation.
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Nov 18, 2018 18:46
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Kim Jong Il posted:Do you really think they give a poo poo about anything but maintaining power?
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Mar 28, 2019 02:02
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Main Paineframe posted:They didn't build their grassroots support in Gaza by picking fights with Israel, they built it by being a major provider of social services and benefits, filling the void left by the corrupt and ineffective Fatah-led PA. I disagree, you can't talk about Hamas's rise to popularity without mentioning its militancy. Israel withdrew from Gaza after a few years of active resistance, and Hamas was in position to take credit for that. Decades of negotiation by the PLO had failed to do that. Their active role in civil society certainly also was a big part of their appeal, they leveraged both of those issues in the run-up to the 2006 elections. But LOL at anyone who thinks Hamas is some sort of puppetmaster.
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Mar 28, 2019 15:27
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Main Paineframe posted:The usual justification is to claim that the Palestinians are lying to the press about the purpose of the building, and that the sympathetic purpose is nothing more than a false story concocted to make Israel look bad when it demolishes the structure. After that, it comes down to who you believe more - the Palestinian owners and officials on the ground who say it was a clinic, or the Israeli government officials who say that the owners and officials totally told them it was really a car dealership. I found a couple of the stories claiming the place was actually a car dealership. Or, to be precise, it was originally intended to be a car dealership, but was recently repurposed to be a testing clinic (perhaps to avoid being demolished). So yeah, still reprehensible.
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It would be hard to cover it much while avoiding the obvious conclusion that this was entirely incited by Israel. Once the armed violence has escalated for a couple more days and the inconvenient details become lost in the fog of war, then the real coverage will start.
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Could've been anything in that coffin, really
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