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I'm not a fan of City on the Edge of Forever either. For the same reason as far beyond the stars - while I understand they're exploring important issues I want to watch Sci-fi and not something set in the present day. I also hate "it was all a dream....or was it???" stuff and that's a big contributor for Far Beyond the Stars. It's also so strange to me reading back Jeb's TNG stuff. I can't remember if I thought that the borg cube was the only one or they were a race with loads of cubes but it's interesting to see he went towards "one cube only". In the past I'd have thought that the writers had that planned but the amount of poo poo that was totally spur of the moment in Star Trek just blows my mind. Taear fucked around with this message at 12:35 on Apr 22, 2018 |
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Tunicate posted:the idea of there just being a single cube which constantly destroys ships, then accretes the wreckage on the outside is cooler than what we ended with I guess when I watched Q Who I assumed they were an empire of some kind who had space far far away. It never occurred to me that there'd just be one of them! I used to find them absolutely terrifying, removing your individuality and all that.
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Apr 22, 2018 20:22
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I really enjoy sort of "massive unknowable/ancient thing in space that we're exploring" stories like Rendevouz With Rama and the original Borg kind of have that. It's part of what I really like in Babylon 5 because the First Ones fit into that really well.
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Apr 22, 2018 20:43
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Beyond a few names TOS and TNG barely feel like the same universe. TOS is just so incredibly 60s. It's like reading the poo poo sexist stories from 1950s Galaxy Magazine.
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Apr 24, 2018 10:58
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Windows 98 posted:God drat S6 of DS9 is good. I just finished the whole 6 parter series where it ends with them taking DS9 back. That was probably the best Trek I’ve seen yet. It had it all, long conference room arguments, Odo learning more about himself, espionage, Rom being an unlikely hero, Quark more or less saving the quadrant by blasting two guards with phasers, massive space battles, Dukat getting his comeuppance even if it’s a bit of a downer. Wow. I remember watching that when it was first on and feeling like the station was occupied for ages Watching it back later on DVD it seemed so much less impactful than it did then.
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Apr 24, 2018 17:47
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dont even fink about it posted:Honestly I feel like TOS is weird on this topic even for 1967 Like was mentioned before if anything TOS is quite progressive for the time. I dunno if it's because the UK made shitloads of shows in the 60s and liked to repeat them but most stuff from the 60s was still on TV when I was young in the 80s and TOS was always a standout as being less horrendous. I say that as someone who can't watch loads of things I used to enjoy because of how horrendously sexist they are.
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Apr 24, 2018 18:30
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Pakled posted:So what are the chances Tarantino Trek takes place in the TNG/DS9/VOY era or later? 0.1%? 0.01%? He wanted to base it on Yesterday's Enterprise. So yea, they're decent. I find it so hard to care about the JJ Trek films because I have no attachment to those characters.
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Apr 26, 2018 11:06
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Pakled posted:I like Jeb!'s posts. I liked them for TNG but for TOS I can never really envision the episode he's watching so it's just spam. I'm not familiar enough with them, I think. Also if it hadn't been made clear that the guy in was Gowron before I'd have no idea. He really looks VERY different now he's old.
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Jun 11, 2018 20:54
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Brawnfire posted:"Cellular Peptide Cake with Mint Frosting" Names like this would make the thread FAR easier to read since I only know the names of the sort of "seminal" episodes.
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Aug 30, 2018 20:12
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DrNutt posted:Measure of a Man (1989): Starfleet decides to hash some poo poo out it probably should have hashed out before Data was able to attend Starfleet Academy, rise through the ranks, and serve as the second officer on their flagship. That actually feels super realistic to me. Any sort of "one off" thing in a gigantic company would usually be signed off by a random person without looking at any implications until it actually came up.
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Sep 1, 2018 09:44
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galenanorth posted:DS9 S07E22, "Tacking into the Wind": Gowron is acting like a Valiant cadet in this and the previous episode. The Federation-Klingon-Romulan Alliance is closer than ever to ending the war, so he wants all the glory for himself, sending troops into self-destructive "out-numbered a kajillion to one" battles instead of picking and choosing them. That's bound to happen when, according to Martok, political leaders can be challenged on the basis of cowardice, but not on the basis of recklessness. That's one episode I really remember watching when it was originally on. Gowron being killed was so absolutely shocking. Stuff like that just didn't happen. Even though it was really late on in the series and it was obviously about to end I just couldn't believe they'd killed Gowron after so long. But at the same time I totally bought him doing what he did - he came across as worried about Martok a few times before that too. Incidentally when the finale of DS9 originally aired my power went off just as Martok and Sisko are talking on the monitors. I didn't get to actually see it until about 10 years later when I bought them on DVD. It's insane how much TV has changed in the interim.
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Sep 8, 2018 20:09
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CPColin posted:I like all the DS9 episodes on Netflix that have the old (CC) logo in the corner of the screen. That's right up there with the episodes of Arrested Development on DVD that proudly advertise they're in Dolby Surround (where available). I thought CC was just the American name for subtitles and I don't get what's up with this! Or what's up with the dolby thing either.
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Sep 16, 2018 20:48
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Pick posted:Closed Captions means it's for deaf people. So it indicates other noises that are taking place, like That's how subtitles work here too though. Stuff here (the UK) isn't always subtitled so things still say subtitled. And Dolby stuff shows up too because not everyone has soundbars!
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Sep 16, 2018 20:56
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Epicurius posted:Not to mention the fact that different species have different metabolic requirements and different medical needs. On TOS, for instance, there was Dr. M'Benga, who was a specialist in Vulcan medicine who would treat Spock. Is a hospital on, say, Vulcan, going to have doctors with the training to treat humans? Some do, no doubt, but it's still going to be less likely than on Earth. Even if you're a Tholian on Earth who lives in Port Moresby and the only Tholian-trained doctor lives in Madrid it doesn't matter because you've got transporters. Planet side distances are meaningless, it's like in the book "The Stars My Destination" - when you can teleport you can have anything anywhere with no problems. Also if the transporter is only 40,000KM then they must be loving close to the planets they're beaming on to.
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mllaneza posted:And Babylon 5 is on a streaming service. This may be the worst timeline, but it has its moments. It is?? Which one?
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Epicurius posted:Amazon Prime. Must be US only
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Until he dies. They really should have set that thing to go off more than once... It's in his captain's log now at least!
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Here's a super unpopular opinion: I hate far beyond the stars. Any episode that's "what if it's fake" is loving poo poo and they all had at least ONE at that time. Even Buffy! Plus it felt a bit like the Vic episodes - wasting this week's episode on something fake.
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Feb 14, 2019 00:17
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Baronjutter posted:The episode was good because it pissed off a lot of racist white nerds who didn't want to watch an explicitly anti-racist episode dealing with black history and experience. It's very specifically an American black history and experience episode and while it's an important story to tell it really took 14 year old me out of the action and into the "oh." part of it. Kibayasu posted:If you watched Far Beyond the Stars and thought “Argh, I hate ‘ is it all a dream?’ episodes!” I’m sorry to say that you fundamentally do not know how to watch television. But that's what it is. It's about the black experience and how it's important to have a black captain but it's STILL an "is it all a dream" episode.
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FuturePastNow posted:I bet you hate Frame of Mind too Nope, because I wasn't as aware of "missing out" with TNG since I was only 8 when Frame of Mind was on. When it's on once a week and you're excited to see what's next in the story then you get Far Beyond the Stars you're disappointed.
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DoctorWhat posted:Get over it. It's all fake. Plot only matters to deliver ideas, and FBTS has a lot more to say than basically any other S6 episode besides, like, Waltz. I want to know what's next in the dominion war. Far Beyond the Stars didn't teach me anything I didn't know already. Other than "what they look like without makeup" I guess.
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Geekboy posted:This is the whitest thing I’ve ever read on these forums. Orrrrrrrrr maybe I know a lot about ethnic minorities in sci-fi (or at least enough to make FBTS not be teaching me anything)? Stop loving acting like you're king woke in every star trek thread. FBTS is too American, it wasn't what I wanted when it was an episode a week and we're in the middle of something big. AlBorlantern Corps posted:You seem upset Mr Tuvok. Perhaps you could be cheered up with a game of kadas kat? It's a strange thing that they come up with terrible future (or alien) sports/games but never bother with any other facet of culture at all.
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Feb 19, 2019 01:33
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Pick posted:Past Tense is actually the best such episode (set) in DS9 and the best Star Trek two parter Past tense teaches us about the characters of the show we're watching therefore it's better than far beyond the stars.
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I'm showing my girlfriend season 1 of TNG and even though it's ropey as gently caress she still finds it really different to discovery. As someone who's going into it mostly blind it's pretty clear the Orville is the successor to the "feel" of TNG rather than Discovery. That's not saying Discovery is bad or anything, it's just a really different sort of show and we're both finding it really hard to stay interested. Like I said in a different thread (or maybe this one I dunno) Discovery just feels so NuWho.
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Mar 1, 2019 20:05
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:The main thing distinguishing Orville from Trek is it is 0% epistilary. Every Trek is bookended by readings of logs and interspersed with in character narration to the point where it feels weird watching a similar show that isn't. I agree but it still has that same sort of....quiet discussion feel about it. It's not action based even when there IS action. Discovery feels "off" for the same reason First Contact does, I guess.
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:This tracks because I tried and failed to like NuWho as well. I think what makes it the same in my head is the super melodramatic stakes that both shows have almost every episode and then the technobabble way of fixing it. Of course Star Trek always had technobabble, but it feels more obvious when it's saving the whole universe rather than just the ship. And when it's something different instead of variations on themes (deflector dish, etc). It's like there's rules they work within even if they're fake rules and Discovery (and NuWho) hasn't got those rules. Also man careful with the Orville spoilers in here, it's not been on here yet!
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Drone posted:About the only Star Trek I follow outside this thread is the @SwearTrek twitter account This and reddit is all I see Star Trek wise and if anything reddit seems TOO positive and is really boring because of that.
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Mar 2, 2019 19:50
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davidspackage posted:Watching Disco on Netflix got me into the mood to revisit TNG and DS9 again. Bunch of years ago I tried watching all of TNG, but got burned out. I'm occasionally skipping an episode now. O'Brien isn't even named in that episode, he's just "Conn Officer"
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Mar 3, 2019 13:05
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Zesty posted:Take a break from the internet if you're on top of all of those for one podcast. If you enjoy something why wouldn't you be on top of all of those for whatever that thing is? Although listening to a bunch of guys talk about DS9 when they're not getting it sounds horrendous.
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counterfeitsaint posted:Now we know that The Orville universe shares the inverse law of shields with Star Trek as well. There aren't any shields or transporters in Orville. Or at least no shields that work like they do in Star Trek. Ships seem a lot more fragile. We've just watched Justice in our re-watch (my partner's first watch) of TNG and god it's hard to shake the idea that season 1 is just TOS again but....stupider. Picard comes across as a bit of a jerk in all the early episodes (now I remember why I didn't like him when I was a kid) and they're just doing whatever, doesn't matter if the race is pre-warp or anything. So far "The Battle" has probably been the best episode of season 1, although I know that isn't saying much. It was sort of silly that the Ferengi asked him if he remember the battle of Maztika and he's like "No" but it turned out to be something super important. I feel like you'd remember the name of the system you abandoned your first command.
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Yeah the episode before this two parter was literally called deflector and had the b plot of the a plot Moclan installing and testing powerful new deflector shields Deflectors are so your ship doesn't get destroyed by a mote of hydrogen when it's going at not-warp though, it doesn't seem to protect their ships. There's been a few space battles and no visible shields whatsoever in any of them.
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Mar 8, 2019 14:02
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McSpanky posted:They specifically tested the new deflectors in combat though. The show just doesn't use TNG-style shield bubble visuals. Then it seems sort of mad that every hit on every ship in the show causes proper visible damage to the ship. What're those shields even doing?
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The saucer is really...weirdly squashed. I don't think I realised that when I was first watching it but now I notice it all the time. I think I'd seen it as a circle before.
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My dad - who I watched TNG with when I was a kid - didn't like DS9 because it's a "soap opera in space" and I heard that sentiment a lot. Other than people I've got into it I've never met a DS9 fan in reality. If a person says they like star trek it pretty much always means Voyager
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I think Discovery has lost me now. I watched that Saru episode (which wasn't bad or anything!) and just haven't even touched it after. It's not that season 2 is bad, it's just not the sort of show I'm after. Like I said earlier it really reminds me of Nu-Who and doesn't feel like a new Star Trek, I dunno. I hope that this sort of action-save the world feel isn't how the new Picard show goes.
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Drone posted:Hopefully the Georgiou show will be the action-focused spinoff, and the Picard show the flute-playing and moralistic philosophizing that we all crave. I'm going to say I'm shocked there's even a section 31 show in the making. I dunno about in the US but Discovery barely seems to get mentioned here. None of the Netflix promotional stuff we get at work talks about it, nobody mentions watching it, it's not in lists of most watched treks. I wish they'd give us some concrete figures. counterfeitsaint posted:Nu-Saru encourages fist fights in the mess hall. He never would have done that before kelpian menopause. Okay, I dunno what that has to do with what I said!
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8one6 posted:The only other place I see STD talked about in the wild is on my friends Facebook page where he makes fun of the people bitching about the show. I mean the CBS figures don't include the rest of the world, how's it playing here? That's what I want to know. Honestly the only people I know who've talked about it said they tried it then never touched it again. While I'm not saying that's everyone it's a lot easier to do that here because you've got Netflix anyway, you're not subscribing specifically for Discovery, if you see what I mean.
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Drone posted:"People I know aren't talking about it" is a spectacularly bad barometer for how well a show is doing. I know literally zero people who watched Big Bang Theory (including myself) and welp. I know, that's why I want some numbers. I work for a big TV company in the UK so I talk to LOADS of people about that sort of thing though, it's not like it's only a few.
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The Bloop posted:Decent is doing a lot of lifting in this claim. It's like a good episode of Doctor Who. It just doesn't feel comparable to TNG/DS9, they're absolutely different genres to me.
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Timeless Appeal posted:So my wife now really likes Star Trek after we went through a curated Original Series viewing and we are currently going through the best of the movies. Just watch it all or the good stuff won't mean as much. And if you skip season 1 you won't understand why people hate Wesley.
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