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Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

Pretend my finger's a knife.

Jimmy4400nav posted:

Got less than a week now until I head to OCS. All I want for the new year is to not be the annoying new ensign.



Gonna PM you with some more specific OCS tips.

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Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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I get that Type III was probably the cheapest solution to the N-dubs problem, but it's still pretty bad. All the camouflage just seems...out of place compared to coveralls and the like. The Navy is trying way too hard at this.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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There's going to be a riot. And then everyone who vaped on the ship is going to start dipping. Soon, greater than half the ship's solid waste will be dip spit bottles. A Sargasso Sea of dip spit will form in the central Gulf, and GCC Coast Guards will soon be called upon to rescue hapless dhows trapped in the center.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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I'm an ~information warrior~ with no SWO experience, but: the only benefit I can think of from moboards would be that they force you to be actively thinking about whatever you're plotting, andyou get instant feedback if you're getting distracted.The moboard won't get done because you aren't doing it, as opposed to self-calculating sensors.

Also on this broad vein: http://www.informationdissemination.net/2017/09/the-us-navy-and-terrible-horrible-no.html

Pretty good discussion on some of the CNO's comments. The biggest takeaway is: there is no history of a captain being rewarded for delaying deployment because of a lack of confidence in training and material readiness, thus there is no incentive to do so and all the massive disincentives that encourage the "just say yes" attitude still exist.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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Godholio posted:

I think your branch of aviation has a better handle on reality than some of the others. But as far as being a different thing...no, not the part I'm talking about. There aren't many O-5/O-6/O-7 types willing to look at the 3 or 4 star and say "The people I am responsible for training to combat readiness are not fit for real world operations." It doesn't matter what pin they wear.

Also this air wing had a pretty hosed up schedule, which I think was from high up on the CAG side. The schedule did not at all do them any favors.

This is a big point. I'm pretty sure that if any CVW in the past...four deployments had made the decision to delay for any reason, it would have thrown a wrench in the OFRP, primarily by getting in the way of the CNO's 7-month deployment pledge. CSGs would have to have been extended on station, workup cycles would have been compressed even more than they are now. In other words, if CAG candidly assessed and reported to AIRLANT that they weren't ready, it would have become a CNO level issue almost immediately.

My 7-month cruise was, ya know, just about as long as I needed it to be without it becoming a real pain in the rear end so I'm glad we're there, but there's no margin for error. This rounds all the way back up to things like there not being enough carriers and associated air wings, not enough ships, sequestration, and so on. You add into that things like the ongoing readiness issues associated with aircraft environmental control systems and you have a recipe for O-5/O-6 level decisions having force wide effects.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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I think it's a new officer designator they're trying to build up. But it's not engineering duty, it's restricted line in the same vein as cryppies, comms guys, weather guessers, and intel (everything guessers). I've only ever met one.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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M_Gargantua posted:

lack of peanut butter

During this underway I just walked off of, there was peanut butter, jelly, and bread. None of these things were available in the same place on the same day until the day before we pulled in.

Somewhere, someone knew. They did it just to hurt people.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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CEC chat: I genuinely wonder how hard up they are for people. They must have been desperate, because immediately after my time at OCS I know they commissioned an autistic guy. Not kind of on the spectrum probably maybe, more like if you spent about 5 minutes talking to him you knew something was not right with him. He was bizarre and universally reviled, I can't imagine how his people are dealing with him now.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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From my slim, slim perspective I can say that enlisting as an intelligence specialist or IT will give you a better shot at being treated like an adult than most other rates. If you bother not to be an absolute shitpile as an IS there will be many post-enlistment opportunities for you. Take the job they don't have to pay people extra to do.

Obligatory: a former nuke I work with tells me that on Enterprise, he worked in a very confined space that was never cooler than about 120. You need to understand that the tradeoff in quality of life is not worth the money, even if it's more money than you've ever seen in your life. Things like what KetTarma said about the ship's doctor accusing him of malingering when he had a broken toe cut deep in a way you have never encountered before - it's not every place in the Navy that's like that, but you want to avoid it if at all possible.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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Jimmy4400nav posted:

Going through primary right now is really weird among the SNFO's, everyone is fighting to try and get slots at VT-4 to fly in any of the big wings, but people keep getting jet drafted even though VT-86 has a five month wait time to class up, you'd think with that giant pig in the python they'd slow the flow there.

I think they're just trying to get ahead of the looming problem. This is already having real effects on current O-4 selects, and it's only going to get worse before it gets better. Tailhook Navy is the best Navy anyways.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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Wingnut Ninja posted:

Today at work has been a big session of "reminisce about all the ways you've drawn dicks in a plane before". In the E-2 it usually revolves around what you plot on the scope; so for example, if you have a specific contact of interest but are also really bored, you slave some circles and ovals to the track so everyone gets to watch a dick flying around on the screen.

My favorite lighter moment from cruise was when I was on the platform with my buddy for a recovery. We'd just done a joint exercise with the UK, and looked off into the distance to see the RN guys trace a beautiful one in the sky over the North Sea.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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Geizkragen posted:

That's the squadron CO, not the pilot.

Yeah. I can also say I've heard from reliable sources that the Skydick pilot is a chick.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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At its heart, eval doublespeak is supposed to be a way you can tell a board the person isn't ready for promotion while not crushing their souls. Of course it's just fart-huffing now.

The best block I've ever seen was an ASCII art of the command mascot holding a severed head with "MY #1/23 JOs PROMOTE IMMEDIATELY" at the bottom.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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orange juche posted:

I would need to see this to believe it.

There are a surprising amount of awesome (but not at all secret) things in buildings where no cameras are allowed, this unfortunately was one of them.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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Laranzu posted:

If I wasn't on the phone I'd draw two boxes. One named reactor and one named Intel ( cvic if it's a carrier!) And fit as many clip art dudes in those boxes as possible.

Then one Noble pooping into the boxes and a seabee looking sad because he doesn't know how to use his hammer.

Feel free to steal my idea anyone.

Make sure to cluster the intel dudes in one part of the box and have two nobles throwing poop at each other in the other part.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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Laranzu posted:

Godammit. Government couldn't just keep trucking for 10 more days.

10 loving days and this PCS that I've thrown together with duct tape and string within a month would have been done.

Now I need to somehow find out what the gently caress I can string together for the dog's flight that was scheduled perfectly to meet us at the distant end.

Had a whirlwind week of getting verbals to a new place way early with a really poo poo hot training opportunity on the way, to now that's probably all hosed thanks to the shutdown.

Hope your dog gets there okay man.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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Othin posted:

Get the orders written to staff not ships company. NGA had one of their recent enlisted ship riders pulled out of MSI and put in supplot because the ship needed an extra watchstander.

Seconding this. You may still work for the same person, there are just administrative rules and long held customs that deter them from using you as a body in wherever their pet place is. Your quality of life will probably be at least somewhat better overall.

CMD598 posted:

I'm supposedly going to be on a plane bound for Japan probably this time next week and still have no itinerary...

In true Navy fashion I just got off a plane I didn't have a ticket for until 18 hours ago. I don't know why they do it that way, but, well, here we are.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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LingcodKilla posted:

I always thought autism was a disqualifer from service but this guy is the monotone deadeye dude I’ve run into in a while.

Oddly enough, I've never met an autistic chief, but I've met many autistic officers.

Well...TAD life continues. I've been "home" (the house I've lived in for three total months) one out of four months this year, and not all at once. At least I have (mediocre) Wifi now.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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Jimmy4400nav posted:

We're they crypto/intel officers? A few folks I went through class with seemed like they might hang near the spectrum and all of them were in one of those communities.

Yeeeup.


Mr. Nice! posted:

If you’ve never met an autist chief you just haven’t been around much. I’ve known nukes, ETs, ITs, CTs, ISs, FCs, and many more that were absolutely on the spectrum.

Guess I haven't been around much.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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Stultus Maximus posted:

I thought Project Fi only worked with Google Nexus?

Worked just fine for me on my Nexus 5x. Also vouching for Fi, been using it for 2 years now.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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Wingnut Ninja posted:

Some people are willing to put up with it to get a big house or nice school, but I would sooner commute on a unicycle every day than have to take a bridge or tunnel to get to work. One guy I know had to take two tunnels, that was sheer insanity.

Come live around Chick's Beach with the rest of the air wing already jeez

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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Dr. Arbitrary posted:

I've started a few good rumors.

It was a classic will we/won't we make the upcoming port call: Skipper was hanging out in the ready room with us and said something like "Yeah, I know [X rumor] has been going around, I've talked it through CAG Ops and apparently that might happen..." and one of the senior JOs turns around: ":stare: actually sir, I started that one"

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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Wonder Free posted:

I had a friend in college that got a Nuclear and Radiological Engineering degree and wound up selecting Naval Reactors after we commissioned. It sounded much better than being a regular nuke officer. And possibly more engineering related than a standard nuke. Of course I don’t know actually anything so YMMV.

Yeah...word of warning, this DOES exist, and it's something close to (but not quite?) actual engineering duty officers. It's also very, very difficult to get into and recruiters will actively attempt to deceive people into signing normal nuke officer track contracts while talking about this kind of thing. The results are...not pretty.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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vulturesrow posted:

I highly recommend if any of think you have sleep apnea, go get the study done. My wife bugged me for years to do it but I wouldn't do it because I didn't want to jeopardize my flight status. I finally had it done leading up to my retirement. Anything over I believe 45 apnea events per hour is considered severe; I clocked in at a cool 88. My quality of life improved immeasurably once I started to use the CPAP and an automatic 50% disability rating is pretty sweet too.

I don't mean to pry, but did they wind up restricting you in any way? Flight status, sea duty/overseas eligibility, that kind of stuff?

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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I got to meet him once, he seemed like a pretty genuine person. Also, the fact that you don't hear grumblings about him is...good, there have been previous DNIs that "everyone knows about."

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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RE: Readiness chat. I think it's important to understand that a lot of what's patently screwed up here has to do with how quickly the issues get up to the flag level. Something that really helped me wrap my brain around the convolutions was learning (via reading and staff work) that rank dynamics almost re-set themselves at the flag level. A 1-star isn't a super-ultra captain, they're a junior admiral. Second, power is not distributed at all equally among admirals. It's centralized at program offices and other high profile money-handling billets. So, your 1-star at NECC may have comparably little power to get even vital equipment, especially since NECC's star is falling. Just like the 1-star at Fallon can't get a door that makes sense because he has little control over the pot of money it actually comes from.

As for personnel, it's important to remember that people cost a lot. In 2005, personnel represented 60% of the Navy's annual budget. It's much easier to show how chopping a carrier, a platform, a smallboy or whatever would hurt the service than personnel reductions - Fleet Forces can just point to a gapped presence in the Gulf, or wherever, to justify a 313 ship Navy. They can't quantify degraded effectiveness as easily. So, the Navy has consistently made the choice to pursue a ship-numbers based budget argument for most of the last 25 years, most prominently trading 10s of thousands of sailors for keeping battle force ship construction on track when forced to after Iraq kicked off.

It sucks for us at the bottom. Do more, more often, with less. What pisses me off is that these are all choices the Navy has made: "heel-toe" constant deployments are a choice the Navy has used to justify its budget share since 1990, they haven't always been Combat Command strict requirements. It had several "off-ramps" from SECDEFs, SECNAVs and up to restructure the way the service runs that it chose not to take because line officer promotion has been based around sea tours since the 1950s, and the flags have no incentive to change the system they succeeded in. Maybe that's cynical, but it's how I see it.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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Jimmy4400nav posted:

Going through DIVO training has so far been an interesting mix of death by powerpoint, interesting sea stories and a lot of lessons that end with the LT saying either "well, in the end, its all really going to depend on X,Y and Z " or "you'll have to work with your Chief and/or Department Head on that".

I also like how they did a couple of hours of walking through financial planning with us and explained that we could work with our enlisted folks to make sure they come up with a reasonable spending budget for when they get out of the barracks because we're apparently good source of explaining financial responsibility to people. Meanwhile, I'm staring a few bottles of bourbon and a bunch of Magic the Gathering cards thinking "Daddy needs some new planeswalkers".

The only interesting thing about DIVOLC was the Prisoner's Dilemma analogue they had us do at the end. Doesn't teach you anything about ~leading sailors~ but it's a great introduction to staff dynamics. My group managed to find one of the worst possible solutions and it's been like that ever since.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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The Died is nice, if you're there for 12 months you'll probably be entitled to the permanent Air Force quality barracks housing, which is excellent. The food is perfectly passable, the amenities are nice, and you're allowed 3 drinks a night if that's your bag. I was only there for a month in the cruddy transient housing and I thought it was a paradise for a forward-deployed location. My impression was that the CAOC is a fairy tale land of Not Totally Stupid too, with people constantly filtering in and out so no one particularly toxic can ever truly screw the place up.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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DustyNuts posted:

I was driving directly through the courthouse area with my kid the very minute that shooting was taking place. I live about 3 minutes away from there. We came back through about an hour later to go to a piano lesson and saw every cop car in VA Beach there with lights on. I called it and said "has to be a mass shooting" to my wife. Surreal poo poo. gently caress that guy.

Glad you both got home safe. Guess that's all we can say these days.

ZekeNY posted:

Who are you going to believe, CHINFO or your own lyin’ eyes?

eta receipts:

https://twitter.com/amanda_m_macias/status/1133939845968080897

I really, really would like to know exactly who signed this email.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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If we're doing that we should also rock the battle apron

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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FrozenVent posted:

Hey at least your peasants aren’t unionized. You ever have to deal with a grievance because the boat’s satellite TV system shat the bed?

I nearly had a mutiny over "no Facebook on watch." The audacity of them ensuring they produced no more and no faster than when they had Facebook gave my noble self the vapors but I gotta admit, it was some of the best coordinated teamwork the watch team had demonstrated thus far in that deployment.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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From a secondhand connection it looks like the PCola shooting was not terrorism related. Gotta live waking up and thinking "well, wonder if any of my friends are dead this time"

Also, because we live in the future, if you click on Reddit's "trending" Pensacola topic result #3 is some poor fucker trying to fulfill his hotwife fantasy amid this chaos

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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vulturesrow posted:

An oldie but a goodie. Written by an acquaintance of mine from Prowler-land. He is currently a Growler CO

https://link.medium.com/cm8BCoKyK2

Not every skipper who writes stuff has the virtues they preach, but I can confirm this one does.

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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Pour one out for the Abe tonight, can't imagine they're coming home any time soon

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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Can science explain why I'm considered mission essential enough to have normal working hours but our admiral is on blue/gold?

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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piL posted:

I don't really know what Red Crown is or why he'd be mission essential,

I wish I had the answers to either of those

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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Reported text of acting SECNAV's address to TR over 1MC

this one gets a "holy loving yikes" from me

(I don't think anyone would lie when making this transcript, but it would have to have been made real time by someone in the ship's company)

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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pmchem posted:

apparently Theodore Roosevelt himself, as an officer, wrote command to take his unit out of an operations area due to need for them all to recover from infectious disease

article here https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2020/april/uss-theodore-roosevelt-commanding-officer-followed-example-colonel

As dumb and sordid as this whole thing is becoming, this is an unfair comparison. TR actual was 1) not a professional military member, his appointment as a colonel was something with no analogy today 2) hot and fresh from being the assistant secretary of the navy. He was very much a politician already so him handing the speech to the press was not a transgression of civil-military norms.

That said,

BREAKING: Acting Secnav apologizes for comments amid calls for his resignation.

LOL

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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ZekeNY posted:

You get some idea of the magnitude of the shitstorm when CNO posts a "message to the fleet" that very carefully says, in substance, nothing:

https://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=112577

I'm not perfect at reading the Navy/CCMD tea leaves, but the fact that "health and safety" is designated as the #1 priority is pretty significant. In my short life I've never seen a moment when the Navy actually prioritized force protection over mission execution. Already seeing some of it at the lower rungs...some "must happen" courses at Fallon are being postponed.

How's mandatory masks going for everyone?

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Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

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Nick Soapdish posted:

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1249760758914846720?s=20

Nothing like making that translant voyage and being told you've got at least three more weeks sitting off the east coast

Article posted:

During this time, the strike group will go through advanced training scenarios, similar to the pre-deployment Composite Training Unit Exercise (COMPTUEX) that serves as a graduation exercise before the strike group is certified to deploy, Lewis said during a call today with reporters.


nothing like a good deal end of deployment c2x to boost morale, as they watch their loved ones suffer literally within sight of them

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