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Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Cerebral Bore posted:

Some literal baddem.txt here. Former presidents apparently appear out of the ether and live in the political equivalent of a hermetically sealed bubble. Anybody who might be concerned by appearances of impropriety is an idiot who should be ignored even if they make up almost half the electorate. Giving a poo poo about incompetents running the party into the loving ground is dumb and also apathy. We can take everybody who disagrees for granted because they have no other choice.

It's like we've fallen through a time portal half a year into the goddamn past. All that's missing is some hillman turning up and demanding the posting of a map.

Corporate money is a hell of a drug

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Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:

I don't see the Left getting our poo poo together before then. I'd be surprised if we even get a decent challenger for 2020.

Me either, until the Democratic Party is completely dissolved it will continue to be the Washington Generals of politics; which is exactly what the donors are paying for.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Sethex posted:

They are males in dresses, but I have literally no problem with it and I want to extend every right an protection to them that every othrt demographic enjoys.

However I am not going to sexually engage as though they are a woman.

So please spare the sane world from your alarmist woke ideology.

Wow, how the gently caress did you time travel from the 40's?

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Sethex posted:

Sorry, for me I consider male an female a sex thing not a gender thing, my mistakr if the terminology doesnt meet yours :)

I don't really think transubstantiation works for gender politics.

gently caress off, rear end in a top hat

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Radish posted:

That's going to be interesting to watch.

There's definitely a sizable portion of the population who aren't averse to government helping to solve their problems, it's just that Republicans run on the culture war stuff since their donors don't want change and Democrats are paid by the same donors to follow their lead or get replaced.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

ISIS CURES TROONS posted:

There's already a way to be legally allowed here. Those who try to jump the line should be disenfranchised and marginalized in favor of those who come in properly.

Nope, but thanks for playing!

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

flashman posted:

If the Democrats are planning to govern with a bunch of centrist or right wing votes to prop up their majority we are in need of the return of earmarks. The inability to make deals with dissenting viewpoints has really hampered the governments ability to accomplish anything worth while.

Yes! I'll take a billion bridges to nowhere if it means we can pass a loving budget!

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Phi230 posted:

Compromise and moderation have no value. It's a fantasy created in the past 20 years.


You would rather sell out LGBT people, sell out poor people, sell out minorities in the name of a fantasy than improve their lives.

That's neo-liberalism 101

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Brony Car posted:

Is is that bad for Obama to speak with rich people and try to get them on board with more liberal ideas and make some money (because they can afford it)? He didn't charge fees when he was speaking at schools from what I remember.

Wouldn't there be cause to be mad if he made time out for Cantor Fitzgerald and didn't squeeze them for money that can go to a good cause?

In criminal law there's a principle called "Fruit of the Poison Tree" that refers to when evidence is gathered illegally, the idea being that no matter how compelling the evidence it is tainted by the way it was gathered. Money given by Wall Street bankers should be seen the same way, as ill gotten gains that cannot and should not be taken by people of conscience.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Avirosb posted:

That really depends on how many Socialist voters there are compared to the others.
I recall there being said that quite a lot less people would've voted for Bernie if he hadn't cozied up to centrist Democrats.

To use the old 90s line, "Where else are they going to go?" If we get a socialist elected in the primary are these imaginary "centrist Democrats" going to vote for Republicans?

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Avirosb posted:

Those who don't abstain from voting will probably vote Dem regardless, or somewhere more along the middle.
Thing is, even if a socialist got elected s/he'd still be a political pariah of sorts, like Trump is now except he's with the GOP, and s/he'd have to contend with obstructionism.

Not if they have long coat tails ridden by local candidates.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

I'm responding to a guy that's saying "America isn't particularly leftist" which this chart shows is a lie even if you don't include all the people who didn't vote (45% of the country!)

The most popular politician in the country is an old lefty who wants to raise taxes on the rich and implement universal healthcare. If anyone is going to lament America's lack of progressive politics, start by explaining that one.

The people in power in the Democratic party aren't leftists, the people they socialize with aren't leftists, the authors they read aren't leftists, the people they watch on TV aren't leftists and their good friends in the Republican party aren't leftist; therefore no one in the country is a leftist! Better run more centrists! :downsbravo:

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Elotana posted:

I just looked at the websites for the two Dem candidates looking to run in Ryan's district and my God the A/B testing between "mustachioed ironworker" and "out of town rando" could not be more obvious

I assume this means the primary will be weighted to favor the milquetoast Ossoff clone

Well you wouldn't want to turn off white women in the suburbs, they're a key demo according to my model!

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747
I heard the best comment today, corporate Democrats have become so technocratic they don't believe in the halting problem.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

gohmak posted:

But but who’s gonna be able to whip like her?

When the caucus is irrelevant, so to is the ability to whip it.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

paragon1 posted:

sometimes they play softball together too.

He shouldn't be doing that either. The bare minimum for Democratic politicians should be complete and total shunning of anyone working with or associated with the Republican Party, ideally they would be shiving them in dark alleys.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

paragon1 posted:

Might make participating in government difficult, if they can't be in the same room at the same time.

You can be in the same room, just limit conversation to only business, no more friendly banter or cocktail parties.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Trabisnikof posted:

So if a Republican is going to a charity ball all Democrats should boycot the event?

I would, they need to feel the social stigma of having an (R) after their name.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

call to action posted:

Reformed Hillarymen like Majorian are ultimately a threat. Everyone likes to peddle this kumbayaa bullshit about how Trump pulled us all together, but the fact is that if it took 11/9 to get to that point, you are a risk.

Case in point: how Hillarymen coo along with leftists on the high notes, but then start screeching ANYTHING BUT TULSI, and hey maybe these other establishment Dems aren't so bad, based on the same bullshit criteria that lead them to follow their failed abuela. These are the people that WILL torpedo a progressive during the primaries in 2020 using electability excuses.

I don't want Tulsi because shes a raging Islamophobe and racist who supports genocide, her leftist economic positions don't play into it.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

call to action posted:

Quote me something regressive I've said. I know it pains you, man, but not everyone that isn't a Hillaryman in 2017 posts on the_donald. Also I don't think I've ever said I'm an ally about anything?


And yet supporting Clinton, who has a higher Muslim body count than Tulsi, isn't racist because...?

Body count is important. Whenever somebody tries to say something stupid, like Trump is worse than Hitler, or Clinton is worse than Gabbard, always be very suspicious and check the body counts first.

Or maybe, and hear me out, we could elect economic leftists who also support social equality for racial and religious minorities.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

paranoid randroid posted:

tulsi gabbard is a loving dumpster fire that pals around with narendra modi and was almost tapped for a position by the trump administration because steve bannon likes the cut of her jib, you total loving marks

Exactly, there are plenty of real leftist candidates at all levels that don't advocate genocide.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

RedSpider posted:

Calling anti-interventionists 'genocide supporters' is apparently a favorite tactic of neoliberals and centrists now.

Are you serious? Is he serious?

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

RedSpider posted:

Are you stupid? Have you watched CNN or read the NYT lately?

Hell no, I dropped that subscription a while ago.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:

Zuckerberg is not going to run for president.

Toxx then, cause it sure looks like it from here.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Crowsbeak posted:

Bane is the good guy. He realises the system must be anhilated. I really am surprised/leftypol/ isn't having more fun with that.

Bane is the bad guy, but only because he plans to kill all the people after they retake the city. His freeing the imprisoned and imprisoning the cops is a good and necessary action.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Condiv posted:

basically, hillary's campaign was for old people. she was not interested in pandering to "self-interested" college attending millenials, she was not interested in pandering to young black people, or young poc in general. the only group she specifically targeted (and increased her vote share with over obama) was rich old people. and that's just not a path forward.

Yeah, it is good though that she and the rest of the Democratic establishment finally admitted it. Now everyone knows what’s going on, and hopefully won’t get fooled again.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Trabisnikof posted:

And that's a place leftists and blue dogs could work together to reform the party.

Absolutely, no true leftists should be against arming the people when the capital class has armed forces protecting them.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

mastershakeman posted:

I hope when reparations happen everyone gets mailed an ancestrydna kit. my alabamanian brother in law showed up as 2% black and since he can grow a fro and his sister is described as "mixed" he definitely qualifies

Just save the money and send paper bags

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

tekz posted:

If a democratic supermajority in a solid blue state with an economy that dwarfs that of most countries in the world refuses to implement UHC, I think it's time to give up on the democratic party.

Way ahead of you comrade! 🌹

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747
Appropos union chat and Florida, this morning on ABC in Tampa they did a short piece on trade jobs that don't require a college degree yet pay a living wage. Literally every single one was a union job, but unions weren't mentioned even once. The right has done a hell of a job poisoning the well.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

WampaLord posted:

None of them booed when they found out Ted Kennedy was dead.

It's the equivalent of sports fans clapping for any injured player, no matter which team he was on. It's just something you do if you're a human.

They all went on to vote against him, so why focus on the stupid symbolic politeness that society enforces on us? What will Dems gain from sitting there and not clapping?

Maybe signaling that the time for civility is passed when you’re trying to kill millions of people.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

NewForumSoftware posted:

This is just categorically incorrect no matter how many times you repeat it.

[quote="“WampaLord”" post="“474715919”"]
Do you not understand that the rules are different for these people?

You and I and any idiot on Twitter can go “gently caress McCain, he’s a piece of poo poo, I wish he died” and that’s all loving great.

If a Congressperson does that, they’re gone. They’re out, like, no questions asked they are going to lose their next election. Different things are different!


So “optics” is your angle here? It’s bad optics for the Dems to clap, but if they had booed instead, that would be good optics that would win them lots of votes?

Reminder, they all voted against the motion. That is the important part, not the clapping.
[/quote]

HAHHAHAHAHHAHA, have you forgotten who the loving President is? How loving dumb are you?

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Democrazy posted:

What did you want Democrats in the Senate to do today? What did they do that was not done?

Start a brawl and use it as a distraction to shiv the turtle for starters.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

WampaLord posted:

I get that, but getting all mad about this one particular thing is dumb, because it's just an expression of basic humanity.

I'm not one of those people who yells at posters advocating his death, I advocate it too, but the rules are different for Congresspeople.

Yeah and that's the problem. You want to know why Trump is President and Bernie almost won the Democratic primary? It's because they acted like normal loving human beings when confronted with the issues most Americans deal with; they got mad, loud and passionate.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

WampaLord posted:

Yes, but you have to pick your battles, and this is a stupid loving hill to die on.

No you don't get it, for millions of people there's nothing but this, there is no moving on.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Raskolnikov38 posted:

no

he's a bad vermont people's whatever the gently caress his party is

This

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

WampaLord posted:

Living in Florida, I saw those ads ALL THE loving TIME.

Yep, seemed like every commercial break.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Condiv posted:

you're the guys trying to pretend she was misquoted

i even quoted the article for you guys and then you're pretending that the fact there were two parts to that question is new information. she didn't think answering either part of that question was important, and she didn't cause "that's so unimportant"

also, lol that your alternate interpretation of this is: "Nancy was literally too stupid to realize that her responding to this question with "that's so unimportant" is stupid and she didn't really mean winning was unimportant but her being leader!!"

nancy pelosi being a bumbling idiot that shouldn't be the face of the dem party is the best defense you can offer for her :D

Yeah, meanwhile Reince is still bowing and scraping to Donald and doesn't care if he gets humiliated as long as his team wins. Dems are such a waste.

C. Everett Koop posted:

considering that the dems would have to ball out just to only be 60 seats down in 2018 I wouldn't worry about running for speaker either

Well now team, we're going to lose; there's nothing we can do about it and we'll never win. Now go out there and give it your all!

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

yronic heroism posted:

Politician blows off Fox News question. Checkmate, centrists. :smuggo:

Why project strength when we can look weak and ineffective to our opposition? Brilliant!

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Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Mister Facetious posted:

They could bomb some foreigners if you vote for them; do you think you will!?!

I'm some idiot on the internet and I can come up with a better response.

I posted:

Well Chris, I'm going to be focused on making 2018 a banner year the Democratic party. We're going to take the energy we saw in the presidential primary race and we're going to turn that toward races at all levels, including the House, and when people hear our strong progressive message I think we will win control back. Even when we do though, it's not just about winning, it's about doing the right thing for the working class and especially the working poor in this country.

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