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 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW1BIid8Osg Some goon reactions: CARL MARK FORCE IV posted:GOTG2 owns. MacheteZombie posted:This was alright. aBagorn posted:It made people in the audience (as evidenced by people in this thread, including me) feel real feelings, which were organic and not calculated at all. Yakmouth posted:Even if the themes of the film are not expressed visually, they certainly appear through plot and dialogue Detective No. 27 posted:I have a fetish for gold women now. Dexo posted:Tony and Drax together should be amaaaaaazing. Sir Kodiak fucked around with this message at 00:17 on May 18, 2017 |
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Odd movie. Whether it's clunky jokes popping out of nowhere, or foreground human elements standing unconvincingly in front of CG backgrounds, it just doesn't quite cohere. But I liked a lot of the more grounded character stuff, and putting more emphasis on Yondu, Rocket, and Nebula was a good call. A solid movie, about as good as the first, that would be even better if James Gunn wasn't trying to make a $200 million comedy and could focus on the things he's good at.
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May 6, 2017 17:59
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TrixRabbi posted:
Absolutely agreed on the first one. I could feel the quip coming throughout the whole speech. To the extent that I'm "unnecessarily cynical" about the MCU, it's from a difficulty in engaging with drama that I know is going to be inevitably undercut. But for the third one, Ego killing Peter's mother isn't just a personal affront. It's the conclusion of a speech about how Ego is the only person in the universe that matters. Ego makes it clear that he has weighed the value of human connection and purposefully rejected it. The actual line about him placing the tumor was a foregone conclusion by the time he said it. There are no questions left for Quill to ask. The problem is the twenty minute gap between Peter realizing that his father had rejected all human connections and Peter remember his own. Everything from Peter shooting his father to Peter using his Celestial powers exists entirely to give everyone else time to do stuff, which is an issue when Peter/Ego is the central conflict.
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May 6, 2017 19:44
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Franchescanado posted:Even Darkman "Even" Darkman?
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May 7, 2017 18:33
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Guy A. Person posted:It seems like he winged an explanation when he saw what Peter was listening to more than anything else. Yes, this is what happened.
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May 9, 2017 02:22
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Yeah, the MCU's relative sexlessness aside, I don't get the claim that GotG2 is anti-sex. Ego's plan is to asexually spread across the universe. In contrast, Ego's child by sexual reproduction is the hero of the movie.
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May 9, 2017 18:00
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Earth is way better than a 3, even with what humans have been doing to it. It's at least a galactic 6, and around Sol that's basically an 8.Franchescanado posted:It's hard to say the MCU is sexless when it's first hero was lecherous playboy Iron Man, who's first interest in returning to the US is getting a burger, holding a press conference and then trying to find someone to gently caress. The majority sure is, but a popular and heavily prevalent aspect to Iron Man is that he's hosed almost every girl he's met. Tony canonically fucks, but the movies themselves are sexless. Peter Parker in Spider-Man gets into hotter situations than anyone in the MCU.
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May 9, 2017 19:30
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Away all Goats posted:And did I miss the reason why Ego had to seed women to create a second being who could control the light? He can clearly create life as seen in Mantis, why not just create another being to control the light? Or create a being to gently caress and raise that kid to control the light with him? Why does he need two beings to activate it in the first place? He basically has control of matter on a molecular level but genetic manipulation is out of the question? Buddy, it's space magic.
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May 11, 2017 00:16
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Away all Goats posted:Did I also miss the part where they say why Ego needs another being to control the light to activate his plan? He says that one isn't enough, but two is.
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May 11, 2017 01:22
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Detective No. 27 posted:Possibly, but the middle finger probably isn't an obscene gesture in space. Wouldn't have made sense to censor it if they don't even know what it means. The joke worked fine in the trailer. As such, it made sense.
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May 11, 2017 18:42
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The joke, to me, is in the absurdity of the machine's progressive attempts to warn about the middle finger, including it's ability to see it coming with Peter's little jack in the box bit.  The evident panic that this window has at having to pass through an obscene gesture has a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy sort of vibe to it.
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May 12, 2017 17:54
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Yakmouth posted:Is that joke in the theatrical release or from a television edit? I don't remember it at all and I rewatched the film just a couple of weeks ago. It's from the trailer.
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May 12, 2017 18:01
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Yakmouth posted:They should have left it in the final cut. Definitely.
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May 12, 2017 18:04
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GoldfishStew posted:Also, why did the dad have to say he gave the tumor? Just unnessary villain explaining his plot bond trope that has been made fun of since before Austin powers. Either Peter is enough of a Celestial that he can accept it, or he's not going to go along with the plan that's about to kill all his friends, including his love interest. Ego wants Peter's cooperation enough to ease him into it, to walk him through his thinking, and to only bring it up once it's relevant. But he's not interested in a partner that he can't be himself with.
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May 15, 2017 00:53
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So y'all are saying that Yondu didn't inspire Peter to gently caress his dad to death.
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May 15, 2017 22:10
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MacheteZombie posted:James Gunn is also awesome. I'd like to see him do something super weird again. Yeah, I want to see the movie that the two wildly successful Guardians movies give him the freedom to make.
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May 15, 2017 23:00
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"Conveying humour" is a good way of putting it.
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May 18, 2017 00:25
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GoldfishStew posted:Why must this movie remain perfect to you? Why can't you like something that has flaws? The thread is about the movie. Feel free to dislike the movie, but if you don't want to talk about it, just don't. Please don't make it about the other posters who do want to talk about it.
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May 18, 2017 23:39
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CelticPredator posted:So uh, maybe try watching films to feel something...and feel those things, and feel emotions and your life would be better over all instead of trying to critically analyze films all the time. Yeah. For myself, I went into the movie to enjoy the experience, and found it didn't work at all emotionally and wasn't particularly funny, so I'm left with a movie that didn't even look particularly good. But if you did find it moving and funny I can't expect you to care all that much about the latter. Like, Yondu's funeral. Him being redeemed to Peter means something. But the climax is Yondu being redeemed in the eyes of the Ravagers, and that means nothing to me: they're a murderous gang of pirates led by an imperious rear end in a top hat. Yondu might have cared about their approval, but that was a character flaw, not something to be celebrated with fireworks. It's like if Batman v Superman had the military funeral for Superman be more prominent in the story than the personal funeral for Clark Kent. It's totally rear end-backwards. GoldfishStew posted:When you verbatim use lines like, "We're the same, you and I!" Yeah, that was wild. It feels like it's supposed to be a joke, it's such a hack line, but it didn't come across that way.
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May 19, 2017 20:39
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Yaws posted:The overwhelming majority of... ... everything is bad.
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May 19, 2017 20:41
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Yaws posted:Everyone from Spielberg to Fincher to Kurosawa has dealt with tropes. The issue with the "we're not so different, you and I" bit is that it's a stock line, not a trope. It worked in Spider-Man as camp, but it was bizarre seeing it played straight here. Sir Kodiak fucked around with this message at 22:36 on May 19, 2017 |
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May 19, 2017 22:30
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Yakmouth posted:Do you think the film would have worked better for you if Gunn had focused on a single tone or a single storyline? Maybe, it's hard to say. I'm not sure I would have connected with the more sincere moments even if the movie had been more consistent, but it's certainly harder to get into it when the movie is all over the place. Some of it may just be that I'm exactly who the father story isn't for. I don't have kids and none of it particularly resonated with my own relationship with my father. And it feels like a movie that depends on you to bring some of that with you, because it relies on the broadcast sketches of a relationship to focus on the absurdly heightened circumstances of it. Whereas, I'm an easy mark for, like, pets in danger.
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May 19, 2017 23:36
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:What I'm saying is that the father-son thing was totally undermined by that ridiculous heel turn. I was thinking more of Yondu in regards to that comment. The stuff with Ego being trite – like them playing catch – was a little funny given how obvious the eventual turn was. Yakmouth posted:How did you react to the Ravagers torturing Groot? Did it work, or were you pretty much checked out of the film by that point? That was reasonably funny. But as scenes of people toying with an elder god go, it's no Prometheus.
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May 20, 2017 00:20
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Yakmouth posted:Wow. It makes it clear that these are lovely people, but dude grew back from a twig, he's going to be fine.
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May 20, 2017 00:48
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Phylodox posted:I dunno, "I hurt you because I love you too much" is dysfunctional, but not inhuman. The whole thing about Ego is that he chooses to be a god, but he's a petty, selfish, egotistical god, and so actually ends up lessening himself by his choice. He's kind of a pathetic god. He wasn't, like, codependent with Peter's mom, though. It's more like someone who keeps themselves from buying chips, because if they're in the house they'll eat the whole bag. It's explicitly him paring off the human side of himself. Which pairs with that statement being his attempt to see if Peter can do the same.
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May 20, 2017 02:07
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GoldfishStew posted:What you are failing to realize is that there is a difference between killing someone to get them out of the way and giving someone you love a long, drawn out, incredibly painful death. He didn't just kill her. He tortured her. Speaking as someone whose own mother died of a brain tumor, if given the choice, I'd take the tumor over an instant death. It's bad, and it's very bad near the end, but it's better than instant oblivion. You get time with the people you love and you get time to say goodbye. Of course it would be an awful thing to inflict on someone, but you're way off-base on this idea that it was a worse thing to do to her than just killing her outright. What Ego did was indefensible, but you're attempting to frame it as being qualitatively distinct from all the indefensible things that people who actually do love each other do to each other, and it doesn't hold up. She got some time to see her son grow up. Peter built his life around the music she shared with him, which she never would have gotten to do if Ego had just killed her instantly. What Ego did to her was grotesque, but it was, in fact, better than nothing.
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May 21, 2017 19:23
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The Dave posted:I have a harder time understanding how Ego decided to come up with a human form all on his own. Did I understand that scene correctly? He made it sound like he just happened to design himself as a human and then discovered Earth. Considering the presentation implies he not only independently developed the human form, but 70s fashion, I think we can assume he was simplifying things for Peter's benefit. And as, you know, a joke.
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May 21, 2017 21:07
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The Dave posted:Well as, a joke, it wasn't funny. I found 1970s Kurt Russell meeting a little alien girl amusing.
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May 21, 2017 21:21
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Darth Brooks posted:With the speed at which Gunn has been subverting expectations I could see Adam going after the Guardians but turning into a non threat almost immediately. Like the new kid at school whose goes to beat up a bully but almost immediately realizes that the kid he thought was a bully is having a lot of fun and is really cool. Some heroes fighting and then teaming up once they realize they're on the same side wouldn't exactly be subverting expectations in the MCU.
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May 26, 2017 03:49
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The implication that the film is composed not using the edges of the frame, but using the edges of the 16:9 HDTV that frame is going to be letterboxed inside of for home viewing, is interesting.
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Aug 28, 2017 19:52
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Franchescanado posted:I had to use a weird website just to get that to work. When I did it without the edges, the grid design was cut off, and I'm not wasting more than 10 minutes arguing with Bravest. I can't fault you for the low effort, it just didn't end up being particularly convincing.
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Shame about the ignore. I was hoping to hear more about how dysfunctional it is to have a one-night stand.
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