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Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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Gaspy Conana posted:

I hope people are able to learn to love whatever it is we get if David decided to go in some super inaccessible unexpected direction with it.

I fully expect a ton of people who aren't familiar with David Lynch's other stuff to be super pissed off

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Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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I think people react badly to season 2 not because it's "bad television," but rather because it's so different than what came before. It's really like a completely different show.

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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kaworu posted:

You get the story from Frank SIlva's side in the video I posted (remember to watch Part 4 as well as part 3) except in Silva's version he does a great Lynch impression :colbert:

Developing a good David Lynch impression is one of the most important actions anyone can take in their lives.

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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Why was these scene deleted from FWWM??? It's so good and i love how it shows how Leland is pretty intense and intimidating even in his "normal" state.

Without this scene there's so much less contrast in Leland's character - he's just portrayed as mostly evil from the start in the film. You see a flash of remorse halfway through the film, but never get to spend time with Normal Leland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9Ga570KBFY

Polo-Rican fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Jun 1, 2017

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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You're surprised a Leno audience has no idea what comedy is??

kaworu posted:

But these are exactly the sorta scenes that just get cut in movies. I mean, FWWM was pretty bloated at 2.5 hours as is, and it's really not meant to be a funny movie, at all. And the Palmer house is a place of horror and tension and stress in this film - ESPECIALLY the dinner table, which is a place where Leland repeatedly demeans Laura throughout the film, most significantly in the "dirty hands" scene which still scares me.

Yeah I agree — I forgot the film was 2.5 hours. What I meant is that the household is MORE stressful when you see both Lelands. If Leland is awful 100% of the time there's less surprise there. It's more tense when you don't know which Leland you're going to get.

Polo-Rican fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Jun 1, 2017

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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i'm really curious about where this all leads. it feels like there are so many plot threads and so many characters—does this season end with them all converging in one event? Is that even possible?

Dougie's role is interesting. It seems like he's unwittingly acting as an agent for goodness—helping strangers and his wife with jackpots, unmasking the one dude committing insurance fraud, and introducing another guy to a tasty drink by taking his coffee. (Then again, because of his actions an innocent casino guy gets the poo poo kicked out of him, so maybe I'm wrong.)

Is Dougie "balancing out" the evil Coop with goodness?

It's also interesting to note that the evil coop is highly intelligent while the good coop is basically braindead.

Polo-Rican fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Jun 6, 2017

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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Ingmar terdman posted:

I think everyone may want to curb their expectations on Coop "coming back" and what that will actually be like. Even if he snaps to in the next episode, is 100% "there" mentally, etc. he's still going to have frozen caveman syndrome with the world in general.

That is, unless he somehow "merges" with evil Coop, who has been out in the wild this whole time. I could imagine this being the case. We're kind of assuming that Dougie is Coop, but what if that's only the "good, innocent" half, and evil Coop is the other half.

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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Ubiquitous_ posted:

The only thing kind of taking me out of the Dougie scenes is his weird ability to hold onto his (pretty complicated) job. But then I remember that this is David Lynch and just go with it.

I think there's some semi-magical force making everyone around him act differently. In real life, the first person he talked to would call 911 after 15 seconds. Especially his wife—she knows he's not normally, uh, totally unresponsive to absolutely all stimuli, right??

When dougie looks around, he sees magical glowing lights and auras that cause him to react in unpredictable ways. These lights are causing him to slowly complete some mysterious task. I imagine that when other people look at Dougie, the same force might cause them to overlook his handicap and help him complete the work he needs to do.

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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Can anyone itt scrounge up a screenshot of the dark/ashy ghost thing from episode 7? Presumably, the same one you see in the prison cell in episode 1 (or was it 2?...)?

I kind of have a feeling that this ghost will play a big role in whatever's happening. I don't think it's a BOB like creature because BOB couldn't hide his evil... he sneered and growled constantly. Even Bad Coop can't hide BOB's evil.

Whereas, this dude doesn't seem evil. He seems traumatized, terrified, or both. I think he's seen some poo poo! I doubt his role is to possess somebody and turn then evil like BOB... rather, I'd expect this guy to deliver some sort of warning or insight into something evil.



edit: ah poo poo, didn't see the discussion about how this might "the woodsman" from fwwm. who knows!

Polo-Rican fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Jun 20, 2017

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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Escobarbarian posted:

You thought her initial reaction to Albert and the mention of Coop is about her being annoyed he disappeared and didn't call her for 25 years? Are you high?

Evil Coop blatantly went to visit Diane at some point and whatever happened is what gave her this scared, shaken reaction to him. Hence the creepy "I'll always remember that night."

ehhhh I really don't think this is the case. She seems genuinely shocked to see what Coop has become. If evil Coop was the one who visited her that night, she wouldn't have said "that wasn't the Coop I knew," she'd say "that was the same Coop I saw that night."

I think it's a lot simpler: she and Coop had a really close relationship (he left her messages every day). He disappeared. She blames Gordon and his crew for allowing that to happen. She might think they didn't try hard enough to find him (it's the FBI, they shouldn't allow a guy to go missing for 25 years). They also might have shut her out of the investigation or turned her away when she reached out for information.

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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Laura's face in the golden orb is goofy as hell but interesting because it puts the focus on Laura yet again. If she comes directly from the giant's head, that's pretty loving significant. Maybe this whole thing will end with her destroying Bob inside or outside of the black lodge. Who knows?? I've never in my life had less of an idea of how a story would end

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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If Laura does somehow destroy BOB, I hope she does it via what she does best: primal screams.

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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strap on revenge posted:

the best roadhouse music has been sharon van etten in my opinion

Yeah she's the best. this video of her playing Give Out on Australian radio is my favorite thing ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yBqU5Athkw

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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Escobarbarian posted:

I feel like all the "lol goons are so creepy why do they love rape so much??" posts

Lol by this point your posts outnumber these posts 10 to 1

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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After rewatching episode 3, I'm not even sure if Coop is physically capable of returning to normal. He re-entered this world as a fizzing black cloud that dissolved out of an electrical outlet — whatever old Coop's brain was like, I can't imagine that the brain of the body that emerged from that cloud is wired or assembled the same way at all.

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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Tikifire posted:

He seemed to be coming out of the fog while eating the Cherry Pie

while this is true, this is also exactly what everyone said when Janey-E first served him coffee a billion episodes ago

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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In the latest episode, it looked to me like David Lynch subtly looked into the camera and smiled / winked after mentioning the coffee and doughnuts. Did anyone else see that?

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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Elias_Maluco posted:

The box one kinda looks like a male version of the vomiting one

When Showtime uploaded episode 1 to youtube they put censor bars over some stuff, including the chest of the box creature — it's not definitive proof but it seems like the box one was female as well.

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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if anyone has a boner for visual stuff like the atom bomb scene in episode 8 I cannot recommend the film Under the Skin enough — there's one scene in that movie where an alien machine does a thing and it's very much like episode 8 with the screeching orchestral music and super abstract imagery attempting to convey something incomprehensible.

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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I'm really impressed by this season's ability to do the exact opposite of what you expect at all times. We all knew Audrey would return, but who could have predicted that it would happen like this???

While it's frustrating to introduce her in a scene that's seemingly arbitrary to the main plot, the scene was really well acted—the look Charlie gives her after the phone call is priceless.

There's a really thick sense of sadness that flows through this whole season; I think a lot of it comes from David Lynch himself being old as gently caress. All of these characters are 25 years past their prime, and even if Coop is restored things won't return to the way they used to be. Just about every main character has a severe mental, emotional, or physical handicap, and the ones you root for are the ones doing their best and acting with integrity.

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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DevCore posted:

But who knows, maybe she's been through a lot and has changed.

25 years have passed, she was blown up by dynamite, spent time in a coma, and is in a loveless marriage with a mysterious dude who hangs a "contract" over her head. I think it's safe to say: yes, she has been through a lot and has changed.

Even without traumatic incidents, you're basically a completely different person after 25 full years anyways.

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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Escobarbarian posted:

also anyone defending the Audrey scene is a damned fool. it's ok to not like things that Lynch has done, guys! nobody will think any less of you!

Sorry bud but the Audrey scene was very good

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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You forgot about the Sonny Jim baseball scene. It turns out getting hit by that baseball was what it took to make Cooper snap out of it.

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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Cicadalek posted:

I think the warden hit was largely there to give characterization to the heinous hick murderers. The timing on the kid yelling at his dad's dead body, followed by the gunman going "Next stop, Wendy's" really casually was almost hilarious.

These people are going to attempt to kill Dougie next, so it's possibly important that we know how lovely they are when they get electrocuted by a sentient telephone pole, or whatever is gonna stop the next assassination attempt.

Yeah I was thinking this, plus it establishes the next threat Dougie will face. Dougie was able to beat Ike the Spike, but Ike was the complete opposite: he was passionate, insane, and got his hands dirty. These guys are dispassionate, collected, and do their work safely from a distance.

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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Lynch has always been amazing at nightmarish imagery, but James playing Just You takes it to a new level

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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First James appearance: Shelly says the phrase "James was always cool."

Second James appearance: James plays Just You and a crowdmember weeps at how beautiful it is.

Third James appearance?: He rides his bike to Evelyn's estate and the two embrace and she says something like "our story was always really good and important and it definitely should have happened??" (Bonus points if this is literally the last scene of season 3)

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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Hearing Charlie say the "do you want me to end your story" line has me really intrigued. I'm starting to think his character might be like The Cowboy or The Man Behind the Dumpster in Mulholland Drive; that he's really powerful in an inexplicable way and could snap his fingers and reverse the entire world of the show if he so chose. I will lose my god drat mind if this show ends with a twist as big as Mulholland's: for example, if the entire thing is a nightmare Audrey is having while in a coma and absolutely nothing is what it seems.

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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eSporks posted:

That would be horrible, see Dallas.

The only reason it works in mullholland drive is because it's a tool to tell the a story and a way to get into the character's head.

Having a twist that serves no narrative purpose is bullshit, see M. Knight Shamalan or Atomic Blonde.

Oh yah i don't think it would be good!! It's just a terrifying possibility that crossed my mind now that they've introduced Audrey and made her circumstances in this episode feel weirder and more dreamlike than in the previous episode.

I think a more likely twist is that Audrey is actually trapped in a Black Lodge purgatory.

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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it's probably absolutely nothing but I just realized that Dougie—who we see represented as a golden ball—is digging everyone around him out of the poo poo.

Like a shovel, he is also inert... he doesn't really do anything... he's just a tool used by forces greater than himself!!

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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Even if Cooper does come back, it's not going to be a "feel good" moment. He lost 25 years of his life in an otherworldly purgatory, he has a son he doesn't know, a wife he doesn't know... that's a lot of pieces of pick up!

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:

I've got to assume that the reason Bad Cooper doesn't just go kill Dougie himself is that the two of them coming into contact/hugging/whatever will blow up the world, which is maybe a good ending.

When good Coop came into the world it made evil Coop barf uncontrollably and lose consciousness (insert joke here like: "watching Dougie makes me feel the same way, ha ha"), so it's probably safe to assume that Dougie's presence would have some effect on evil Coop if they met in person.

Solice Kirsk posted:

I thought this was for sure gonna be it for Twin Peaks. Are they really thinking about extending this?

Showtime wants more but I really can't imagine David Lynch signing on.

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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Escobarbarian posted:

My co-host just called me excitedly while editing to suggest that one of the reasons the chronology is so hosed is because they planned on having a fair amount of it be entire episodes based around one storyline - so for instance we get all the Dougie stuff at once, all the Hastings stuff at once etc (or very close to this) but then someone along the line demanded that say, it all had to be spread out equally, or that they couldn't go too many episodes without any MacLachlan, so they had to re-order it.

Aside from my skepticism that anyone would try and force this on Lynch/he would be ok with it, it actually makes a lot of sense.

I dunno man, you really think, like, 4 solid hours of Dougie poo poo back-to-back would be better than the way it is currently? Or if we had to watch two full hours of Richard Horne terrorizing people without any clue about what else was happening in the universe of the show?

Gordon, Tammy, Albert, and Diane's story is the only one I imagine being watchable in that format.

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

edit: jesus christ! I guess I gotta rewatch the full season while wearing my Nice Headphones

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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CJacobs posted:

I swear to god if this Hulk Hand motherfucker ends up being the catalyst of Booper's defeat

I was thinking the same thing

If booper gets killed by a silly little British man wearing a rubber glove I'm going to lose my mind

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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Solice Kirsk posted:

Only issue I had with the episode is Tammy is the worst. Just the worst. She walks pretty, but other than that she sucks the life out of absolutely any scene. Does her actress not speak English? Because it seems sort of like she's saying the words but thats about it.

Tammy is a black lodge doppelganger. Albert and Gordon both know this and are keeping her close so they can observe her. It's a lot like what they're doing with Diane.

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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Last night it occurred to me that Sarah Palmer will probably get held in one of the Twin Peaks prison cells... and then whatever's possessing Sarah will be right next to the woman with no eyes!!

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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Thom and the Heads posted:

re: the roadhouse scene: i dont think ive ever seen someone lip synching so bad

Yeah this song wasn't bad but it was much more obviously fake than previous performances. It was mixed like a radio single and sounded absolutely nothing like a real live show.

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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Magic Hate Ball posted:

I have zero hope it'll happen but if Bowie shows up and performs, like, Lazarus or something at the roadhouse in the last episode I may literally die.

A surprise posthumous Bowie performance would, without exaggeration, be one of the biggest events in the history of scripted television.

Like you, I think there's a 0.0001% chance of it happening. On the other hand, I bet they're saving a pretty special musical guest for the last episode and I'm super curious about who it could be!

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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Elias_Maluco posted:

So, Cooper is now inside Andy right? They way he talked when he apperead carrying the blind girl was exactly what Cooper would say

Ehhhh I think Andy just absorbed the white lodge's info because he has a weird brain that's receptive to Lodge stuff. People with normal brains don't seem to cope with the lodges as well.

In the lodge, and in the episode itself, they explicitly talk about and show 2 Coopers. Andy would make 3... Or maybe 2.5

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Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

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a few DRUNK BONERS posted:

she quit the show and lynch put her in a doorknob

then she wanted to come back for s3 and he said no

"im not owned! im not owned!!", i continue to insist as i slowly shrink and transform into a door knob

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