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WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
:agreed:

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WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)


Jesus! It's like a potato crossed with the decaying corpse of Elon Musk.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Good thing it's not a mandatory survey and the no vote have said in multiple other polls they're much less likely to turn out.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Any good academic knows you do a real bodge job of a study and then point out exactly why it's bad in your own article.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Drink piss craig

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
oh boy, I made some people upset by saying I don't care for human life. I really am winninf.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Yeah, gotta say that wasn't really racist.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

open24hours posted:

Only in the sense that they happened at the same time. You might as well blame the decline in church attendance.

Really? You honestly think decline in union membership and the assault on worker's rights has nothing to do with neoliberalism?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

open24hours posted:

This kind of thinking is what got Trump elected. It's not rapacious local capitalists loving you, it's those dastardly Chinese!

"What's the global labour arbitrage?"

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

open24hours posted:

FTAs are free trade as a concept are very different things. Conflating them isn't helpful.

Removing barriers to capital while maintaining barriers to workers gives another major piece of power to capitalists. How are you this bad?

open24hours posted:

The kind of free trade promoted by neoliberalism is a specific form of trade. There are plenty of arguments for free trade that can be made from a socialist or other non-neoliberal perspective.

Market socialism is capitalism and needs to be destroyed.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Well it doesn't, so why bother defending the practice as if it didn't contribute to the weakening of worker's rights and calling criticism of it racist?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Endman posted:

Also important to note that markets and the means of production are distinct from each other and even if the latter is commonly owned, markets would probably still be necessary for the distribution of commodities without a massive bureaucracy.

Bureaucracy is better than a market. The production and exchange of commodities is a fundamental part of capitalism.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Endman posted:

The production and exchange of commodities is a fundamental part of any economic system, capitalist or otherwise. What defines capitalism is private ownership of the means of production.

I agree bureaucracy is better when you’re talking about things with inelastic demand such as water, electricity, pharmaceuticals, schoolbooks, etc. but other goods don’t need to be distributed by the state and can be left to markets. So long as those markets are regulated so that trade is done in good faith between unexploited parties.

No it's not. Unless you're discounting communism as an economic system. And private ownership of the MoP is too broad a definition. Feudalism and Mercantilism had private ownership of the MoP, as did Classical economies. It's the extraction of surplus value that defines capitalism.

Why though? A market means you have to keep wage labour. You'd be better off having a very flexible rationing system of luxury goods.

WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Nov 6, 2017

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

MikeJF posted:

They shouldn't even need that. Why the gently caress isn't WorkSafe empowered to bring down the hammer here.

quote:

In the 1950s when bread, milk and cream delivery was considered an essential community service, legislation was created to exclude them from accessing the NSW Industrial Relations Commission.

"So they sit in a regulatory black hole and are really only able to negotiate what they can negotiate," said Alex Grayson, industrial relations principal at law firm Maurice Blackburn.

"They're essentially unregulated."

Kinda loving ridiculous.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
When his wife sees him with ewe.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Synthbuttrange posted:

:siren:One of Rupert Murdoch's key business allies, who was arrested in last week's corruption crackdown in Saudi Arabia, has quietly sold off his $1.5 billion stake in 21st Century Fox.:siren:

Also they're just about to have a shareholder meeting that will mean Murdoch loses his controlling vote.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Recoome posted:

basically a bunch of nazis go in an ethnically harass an MP

the whole thing extremely cringe and horrible, and feels like this is victoria.txt because FOR SOME WEIRD REASONS the out and about ultranationalists seems to congregate in victoria.

It's because it's a reaction to the rest of us being the best state. Ultranationalists don't need to organise in other states as aggressively, because there's less push back to their lovely ideas. :colbert:

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

kirbysuperstar posted:

Deleted now, what was she spewing?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Be interesting to see whether the Hitler ones are blocked in Germany or not.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

ili posted:

Yeah we should all move to progressive Victoria and join the UPF.



Still best state.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Burn Down Canberra posted:

Not all labor mps support it with maybe 3 or 4 pretty uncommitted. All the crossbenchers but katter support ssm though. I think I worked it out based on alp members who have confirmed in favour and it's 6 or 7 libs/nats needed if I recall correctly.

Not if Labor whip over it, why would Labor allow a conscience vote if Yes wins?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Burn Down Canberra posted:

That is the party position ? That said I believe Chris Hayes wrote that he would respect the result of the plebiscite so they might vote yes. It will easily pass if the plebiscite wins. Just maybe not every labor MP will vote in favour of it.

No idea, but even the most *checks notes*-y position would be 'go with what the majority of people want.'

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Remember she also sexually harassed her staffers and made them buy her sex toys.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

BBJoey posted:

i wonder when the very funny boaty mcboatface joke is going to run its course or if it’s going to become a name like endeavour that will keep coming up for centuries to come

It's the latter.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

snoremac posted:

I'm curious whether the "It's O.K to Say No" campaign was a success in terms of convincing anyone or if people who might've been swayed were turned off by how :qq: it was.

Considering 'It's okay to be white' came directly on its heels I don't think they really care if poo poo makes them sound like massive whinging shitheads,

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

rapeface posted:

Also, related to Asian Christian news, a fellow hard science PhD student tried to convince me to go with him to church a few years back. When I asked why he believed/converted, he told me that he knew a mentally challenged kid who always gave the correct answer to questions despite not having any logical reason for him knowing the correct answer. When asked about the existence of God, he said yes.

Dude literally had a prophet in the back pocket lol

Oh yeah, that's the pressing question and not asking how to create a time machine. loving no imagination.

JBP posted:

Problematic foreigners over which hangs a question.

This trolling's really weak.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Considering being open and not racist towards immigrants leads to far better results with regard to integration, there's literally no need to change the left's position.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Dude McAwesome posted:

Dear friend, please stop talking to Hakimashou

He's a terrible person who likes our terrible treatment of refugees.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

hakimashou posted:

That is an outright lie.

You advocate for genocide, you fascist gently caress.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

tithin posted:

What's this about?

He thinks as long as you win a war, genocide is your right and the US should have nuked Russia immediately after WWII.

e:Also basically a rule of UKMT that you tell him to gently caress off and call him a fascist any time he shows up.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Cheap Trick posted:

I assume the maths on this is correct, I didn't check:



I don't think the senate one is right because we have proportional, but the lower house one is.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Doctor Spaceman posted:

There's an even more obvious error in the Reps numbers.

There are 150 seats in the Reps, not 133.

:cripes: I'm an idiot.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Don't forget garden variety Nazis.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

SadisTech posted:

I know people - male, white, moderately educated, non religious - who were vocally proclaiming themselves as 'no' voters. They're to a man from working class and tradie families and tend to live in outer suburbs.

It's very possible to be educated, middle class and pig ignorant. This is the demographic you're overlooking.

Their reasoning can't really be dignified with the term. It boils down to 'gently caress poofters'.

Say hi to my brother for me next time you see him.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
I will never not be glad that fuckhead's dead.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Snowman_McK posted:

While we're on this, gay rights keeps getting called social marxism on the net, what's that about?

Social Marxism or 'cultural marxism'? Because if the latter it's an anti-semitic conspiracy theory that says political correctness is part of a global Jewish conspiracy born of the work of Jewish Marxist academics who fled to the US from Nazi Germany. The theory goes that seeing armed revolutions fail in 1st world nations they hypothesised they needed to destroy the strong social and cultural heritage of the west which was causing false consciousness in Western proles. Cue the rise of the New Left and 60s counter cultural movements to pave the way for Global Judaeo-Bolshevist conquest.

It's all bullshit of course, but here's the ABC's very own former Political Editor Chris Uhlmann uncritically parroting it.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...4cb526470260601

e:Beaten like a true blue patriot attempting to have his sincere and heartfelt beliefs on traditional marriage heard.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
You know it'd be a bit sad if this was the only way Pyne felt comfortable coming out and intentionally liked the porn.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
United Voice are also poo poo aren't they? I was looking at a job as an organiser in training the other day, but I couldn't remember if they were poo poo or not.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

JBP posted:

Don't work for them. They'll break you on the wheel and toss you aside. They're not too bad for their members in general, but they employ a churn and burn approach to their own workers. A friend of mine had a UV lead organiser yell at him after working nearly seventy hours for a pittance and tell him if he didn't like it to leave, then justified berating staff with how hard their members have it.

This wasn't a one off busy week either. I used to easily pass 60 hours given night visits and weekend offsite meetings but the NUW would eventually tell you to go home for a few days rest. Shift worker organising is terrible for your brain and body.

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WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Don Dongington posted:

There's a lot of that. Remember George Lucas’ ”Banking Clans" in the Worst Star Wars film.

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