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Oct 21, 2011


PawParole posted:

Same old story in Brazil

Just to elaborate a bit on this topic for the sake of nuance: Brazil has a long history of immigration from the Middle East since the Ottoman Empire, besides the Dilma government welcoming another immigration surge. There's a very significant contingent of the Brazilian middle classes who descend from those communities, which have a pro-Palestine sentiment even in their conservative members.

Of course, there's this small slice of pro-Israel sentiment here that only became a thing here when a segment of the middle class became neopentecostal evangelicals, in the last decade + few years. Which is itself consequence of the ideological regurgitation of americanism, in a pretty sad way

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Oct 21, 2011


fizzy posted:

Bad news for the Gaza Strip - Defense Minister Yoav Gallant says he has ordered a “complete siege” of the Gaza Strip.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/defense-minister-announces-complete-siege-of-gaza-no-power-food-or-fuel/

Defense minister announces ‘complete siege’ of Gaza: No power, food or fuel
By EMANUEL FABIAN
4 min ago

[...]

“We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly,” he adds.

Just saving this quote for posterity and reference

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Oct 21, 2011


Al! posted:

gonna kill 2 million to punish 1000 and we're supposed to regard israel as a friend to humanity???

take out every basic infrastructure for civilization for two million people, proceed to use 2000lb precision bombs on housing, declare that all of them are animals and whatnot: totally not doing a genocide

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Oct 21, 2011


there's also the big difference that the usa literally had to cover rear end for themselves and saudi arabia about osama because oh no petrodollars lmao

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Oct 21, 2011


"please point out the differences between the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and what is going on in Gaza"

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Oct 21, 2011


RadiRoot posted:

i heard it was bad but they should have protested it peacefully.

an exchange:

"good morning mr brigadefuhrer and waffen-ss associates, I would like to present a petition against these deportations and our slightly-less-than-adequate conditions arising from putting more than three hundred thousand (300.000) people in an area of barely more than 3 square kilometers. Thank you very much for your time and consideration on this topic."

"we appreciate your thoughtful manners; we must inform you that deportations are to proceed as planned"

a couple of nazis eat poo poo; in return, almost sixty thousand Jewish casualties between concentration camps, mass shootings and being put to work to death

(then that type of person goes "starvation, disease and getting deliberately murdered isn't excuse for that kind of behavior, surely")

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Oct 21, 2011


Rigged Death Trap posted:

you do not have to hand it to serial rapist, trafficker and exploiter Andrew Tate.

yeah

a good reminder that there are many "humanitarian organizations" that do heinous poo poo with refugees under that cover. you absolutely do not have to hand it to an awful person

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Oct 21, 2011



loving lmao

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Oct 21, 2011


Al-Saqr posted:

just a heads up, for all of the hate readers quoting me in SAD, i stand by everything i have said in this thread without remorse or regret, i will always say my piece and stand up against apartheid nazism, and if you disagree feel free to talk to me on this discussion i will politely have a discussion a out it with you and own you in the marketplace of ideas, its truly sad that you are too cowardly to do so and need to run to the principal because your fee fees got hurt, and you dont have any moral backbone or spine when the chips of humanity and decency against the forces of fascism and white colonialism are on the ground, but i never expected any less of people like you. im not gonna go into SAD to make my case or defend myself, i dont need to. here i stand, here are my thoughts, i can do no other. Free palestine, DTI.

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Oct 21, 2011


me, as a ghost through an alien time machine: “Andropov, get your goddamned kidneys in order, drink lots of water, heed the red army, get this yeltsin motherfucker arrested asap and tell this gorbachev dude to stop being a dumbass, work together with this Deng fella in China (and tell him to look after this Xi dude as well), let the baltics go and NATO will never stop trying to gently caress with you. Also invest in transistors and nuclear energy, thorium reactors are possible kthxbai”

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Oct 21, 2011


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Oct 21, 2011


mass displacement of more than one million people in 24h in a place with absolutely no transport infrastructure is so outrageously insane that even further demonstrates how completely loving maniac they are, even as a bluff for whatever purpose

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Oct 21, 2011


DesertIslandHermit posted:

Not to mention whatever the gently caress the Israeli government will do to them. They are not gonna get a house and a welcome basket.

yeah

like, in these conditions, the mere act of mobilizing people to do so would have tremendous casualties because how the gently caress you are going to make sure that more than one million people evacuate in order. People will be stampeding each other with the merest sign of gunfire, let alone a bomb

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Oct 21, 2011


SourKraut posted:

They don't actually want to mass displace though. They want people there, who they can then shoot, while they turn around and say that it was clearly Hamas they killed since they didn't evacuate.

It's pure, unadulterated evil at a scale that would make actual Hitler blush.

indeed, that's what it makes even far more foul, even as a bluff like I said

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Oct 21, 2011


seems like the establishment Israel is going far more unhinged not only because how badly surprised they were but also they are having a pushback on their narrative, making them go full mask-off as more contestation poured in

like, even with allied governments circling the wagons, gearing the media accordingly and turning up the heat in repression, there is an unacceptable degree of dissonance (in their view) that feedbacks into becoming more unhinged, and it keeps going

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Oct 21, 2011


also a potential lol factor that I just remembered: isn't the Taliban sitting on like a veritable mountain of US military hardware after the retreat from Afghanistan?

seems to me that an arms corridor through Iran to get that stuff into the hands of a lot of people in the fertile crescent is suddenly a possibility

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Oct 21, 2011


i say swears online posted:

taliban and Iran hate each other

oh, didn't know, thanks

given the circumstances though, don't they hate israel/the us more? Would Iran mind transferring to its own allies?

(just going on wild conjecture here)

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Oct 21, 2011


one seriously important aspect of ideology to figure out (in case it hasn't been noticed or realized) is that human beings are totally contradictory and ideology is loving irrational

and indeed, this is one of the very few advantages a marxist has: the awareness of the ideological condition, that affects themselves as well. reason is a paltry god, it gets totally loving trounced by ideology, which is why nobody gets in a political debate and suddenly "oh wow I totally see it now" and renounces their position and ideas. nobody is won through that way

like well said here,

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

there are some really disturbing implications about the people who manage to square the circle between their support of the sonnenrad tattoos in ukraine and israel bombing gaza indiscriminately

just skip past any idea of rational discourse and see what's been conveyed through the lines, the vast majority of people think about those situations in terms of absolutist moralism (which in endemic to neoliberalism) and regard those matters simply as "good" versus "evil". People really want to be with the good guys, which is why squaring the circle happens. By taking out from that framing and showing stuff as historical circumstance, that no such conflict is possible because people ultimately cannot be reduced into simply good or bad, is an effective way to foster consciousness

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Oct 21, 2011


WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

I don't know, I became a Marxist-Leninist through reasoned debate. It was because an anarchist was trying to read Lenin as a misunderstood anarchist, so I read Lenin and realised they were a loving idiot and Lenin was right.

But you engaged earnestly with people that also didn’t treat you as an utterly wrong person, or in other words, this wasn’t a matter of moralism or political debate as such; imo, that was the natural course of your ideological process, which many former anarchists do share (at least in my experience)

Trying to elaborate on the nuance of the conflict to an evangelical family member (for example) is another dimension of social discourse. Really, the best skill here is to able to not clinch in and let they run out of steam while you listen, then ask questions in a friendly (and kind if possible) manner. That got me waaaaay more progress than lots of theory and rhetorical points

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Oct 21, 2011


I don't remember in my lifetime a hegemonic dysfunction like this one

Like, revisiting the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, there was popular opposition but the ranks closed in with tremendous ability. It took a good ten years to get into "we failed here" and then through the Obama years for the consequences of that failure to manifest (i.e. ISIS). Of course, that was an attack on American territory, a whole different circumstance in that regard, but Israel always enjoyed a special privilege in its relationship

What I mean is that in the space of less than one week, the imperial narrative went to an implicit backing of total war and now is going "wait a minute". Way different in how Cheney and Rumsfeld operated back then.

Looking back in the last year and a half, idk, it definitely feels history has been accelerating like our mvp Lenin once said. It definitely does seem that a couple of cogs broke down in the hegemon just this week

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Oct 21, 2011


just an absolute lmao if the sunni/shia schism is mended

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Oct 21, 2011





getting evergreen this one

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Oct 21, 2011


Nichael posted:

Bassem's posting energies are off the charts:

Hey! loving @benshapiro. Are you happy with how many sons of bitches killed so far? Is that enough for you? What’s today’s exchange rate for human lives? I remember how annoyed you were with
@iamcardib “Wet rear end Pussy” telling your viewers that, medically speaking, the only way a pussy can get that wet is if it had an infection. So apparently, Ben, you have never made a woman wet. And maybe, just maybe , you have a weird kink that makes you get off to the sight of dead civilians. So I hope you can cum soon so #Israel can take notice and stop bombing #gaza .
@Pornhub ; please add “Genocide” category exclusively for Ben Shapiro. #BenShapiro_is_a_son_of_a_bitch . Make it viral .

a golden flash before my eyes as I behold a true master of the posting ways

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Oct 21, 2011


DiscountDildos posted:

https://x.com/davidsheen/status/1717430176147963972?s=20

Very bleak how they're so comfortable shouting out the quiet part.

that's an entirely new level of mask-off

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Oct 21, 2011


smarxist posted:

Vox you have to donate to the naxalites now

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Oct 21, 2011


ComradePeach posted:

Is there some funny analogy in the plot to the current situation? Not familiar with the whole Dune story.

the Universal Jihad kicks off at the end of the first part of the series' story

and the fremen, people of the desert, play a big loving part in beating the poo poo out of the imperial establishment.

big loving lmaos

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Oct 21, 2011


Chinatown posted:

The US had 20+ years refining every possible logistic and tactical/logistic network for two wars that were on the other side of the globe. Along with an unparalleled military-industrial complex and spending

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Oct 21, 2011


Al-Saqr posted:

i dont know what us arabs did to deserve MBZ, MBS, Sisi, Assad, etc. but it mustve been pretty bad for god to hate us this much.

you just happened to be too close to Europe with too much of some important resources

or, as the original Latin American version goes, "Poor Mexico! So far from God, so close to the United States". (then it got paraphrased to the rest of us here)

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Oct 21, 2011


PoontifexMacksimus posted:

It can be hard to find good sources (in English...) about how the enormous empires of the early Caliphates actually worked, but from my understanding, once a more regular imperial governance was implemented after the initial period of expansion it was all about (for the new imperial elites) securing governorships of provinces, so that you could extract tax revenues, and hopefully get out before your successor would accuse you of stealing said tax revenues and try to extort your hard-gotten wealth from you; in some ways very much like the Roman senatorial governorship system. I wonder if anyone has written anything about the similarities between Rome and the early Caliphate from that perspective?

paging frosted flake

from the little I came across in political economic history of the period, Islam could be regarded as a a systematic, aggregated social innovation in comparison to the previous social mode. An interwoven state/organized religion with an ethos of law and justice, anchored in communalism (as an absolute necessary social condition to prosper in harsh climates) and then subsequently catapulting forward by absorbing Greek, Roman, Persian and Indian philosophical developments and sciences. Iirc, Islamic practices of governance were the actual anti-Roman superweapons: the guys doing the conquering were not only politically but also religiously tasked to do a basic of fair ruling, seen in fundamental principles like zakat and sadaqah, which outright offered a much better social contract than the Roman one

(also this seems to be a good moment to ask if anyone knows some solid reading recs about the end of the Islamic golden age: I remember coming across that a school of thought won and had a very different interpretation of scientific development unlike the then-dominant line, or something like that, which contributed for fragmentation as the polities turned inward on their matters)

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Oct 21, 2011


PawParole posted:

Contrary to the popular narrative of Islam spreading by the sword, the ummayads banned all conversion to Islam expect for Umar 2 and wanted to make Islam an ethno-religion for the Arab conquerors.

A good book on this would be “Black Banners from the East”, about the abbasid revolution

holy poo poo I am waaaay behind on my literature then

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Oct 21, 2011


gradenko_2000 posted:

code:
https://twitter.com/gumby4christ/status/1721538371758313676

gradenko_2000 posted:

code:
https://twitter.com/gumby4christ/status/1721538371758313676

loving hell I forgot that this piece of poo poo died here

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Oct 21, 2011


Bouillon Rube posted:

never gently caress with longshoremen.

that one weird trick to how to find out that hard material economy matters pretty loving fast

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Oct 21, 2011


BTW Belgian longshoremen and train workers were also locking down arms shipments, right?

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Oct 21, 2011


30.5 Days posted:

lmao this guy wants to be the unofficial leader of Latin America

tbqf it's a whole different game when your neighbor is literally the USA and people there are already sabre-rattling against "not being properly democratic"

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Oct 21, 2011


the culmination of the zionist project as a fascist refraction was invariably destined to reproduce the same thing it was posited to prevent to its people

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Oct 21, 2011


Engorged Pedipalps posted:

Why would Hamas even care about Brazil lmao

yeah I saw this in the news earlier on and I was like wtf

israel sec state bullshit did a lot of more bullshit during bolsonaro, not surprised if there were some leftovers and just stirred some bullshit because israel is refusing to let brazilians out of gaza

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Oct 21, 2011


Rigged Death Trap posted:

Perfidious egyptian islamic scholar convinced hitler to do a big holocaust

what

like I am for real out of the loop of this one

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Oct 21, 2011



holy poo poo loving lmao

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Oct 21, 2011



It's beyond that thing of "obvious in retrospect" because people have been beating that drum for a while now and doesn't require much in terms of study to figure out that Israel was a supremacist idea invariably destined to fascism; what astounds is the realization of the obscene amount of laundering done in regards to it, truly only possible by the grace of the USA

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Oct 21, 2011


Frosted Flake posted:

"The Israel intelligence community, with its superb ability in signals intelligence, had earlier assessed that the surviving hostages may have been transferred from the tunnels to the basement of Al-Shifa."

:psyduck:

Does anyone remember that this started with a surprise attack that overran several military bases?!

They had no knowledge of Hamas' activities in "peacetime", but now have perfect information? That story makes sense to people?

It makes sense if you look it through the angle of politics and its dynamics of communication

Lavishing praise through asskissing might be pretty much required to have any access to a given party (or ensure publication); additionally it accrues favor when people got badly burned for reasons, like "at least somebody gives us recognition". The latter can be masterfully used to acquire means for systemic investigation. In a clusterfuck situation though, it offers the burned party to hit back through other channels, which is especially relevant when the topic is about intelligence agencies. Boosting them while they are getting poo poo from leadership can help to learn a thing or two that might be interesting

(And yeah, that's a reason why journalism as such loving sucks)

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