[P/I] from the larva to the bee

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(Thread IKs: Zodium, John Charity Spring, really queer Christmas)

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004; Can't post for 27 minutes!

Al-Saqr posted:

holy poo poo the palestinians even used gliders holy cow the palestinians are god drat heroes!!! amazing work!!!!

this entire operation shows how incredibly resourceful and brilliant the palestinians have become with so little resources

even with so little reources the people of Gaza managed to do what all the arab military losers couldnt, successfully infiltrate and enter the 48 borders.

LONG LIVE PALESTINE

LONG LIVE GAZA

gently caress THE ZIONISTS

DTI

DTI

# ¿ Oct 7, 2023 10:17

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Zodium: Jun 19, 2004; Can't post for 27 minutes!

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Al-Aqsa hang glider hype reel:
https://twitter.com/PalinfoAr/status/1710564891268886885?s=20https://x.com/PalinfoAr/status/1710564891268886885?s=20

Nice little detail that they built a replica section of the border wall for them to train on.

lmfao

# ¿ Oct 7, 2023 10:21

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Neurolimal posted:

Apparently this guy was assigned to investigate why Israel severely lost the random firefight with Egyptian border police earlier this year. Presumably this will allow him to get better acquainted with Israel L's for his report.

it's all about evidence based decision-making.

# ¿ Oct 7, 2023 12:08

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Al-Saqr posted:

https://twitter.com/SALHACHIMI/status/1710630531581329493?s=20

Hamas treating Israelis with the humanity and dignity that Palestinians were never shown.

god drat

# ¿ Oct 7, 2023 15:14

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Brogeoisie posted:

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1710668032748515772?t=Jxevl8pyXaPFOU0NCjHcrQ&s=19

taliban ftw

# ¿ Oct 7, 2023 15:50

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Al-Saqr posted:

https://twitter.com/amansouraja/status/1710635036280582369?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg

people are now putting up maps of Hamas's gains or area of operations, holy cow theyre quite extensive!

hamas ftw

# ¿ Oct 7, 2023 17:05

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Mantis42 posted:

the oracle told biden that if he sent arms to ukraine the occupation will fall

gradenko_2000 posted:

Wow I support arms to Ukraine now???

# ¿ Oct 7, 2023 17:27

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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

part one, they're a longtime regional proxy going back to cold war days, so they're up to their eyeballs in all the usual military/industrial complex "we can't ever stop giving them aid, because if we stopped giving them aid Lockheed Martin's stock price might drop for a quarter second."

part two, there's a bunch of weird evangelical bullshit about how Israel has to be around for the end of days to happen, which the Israel lobby has gleefully made use of for a very long time for inroads among Republicans.

part three, not to put too fine a point on it, New York and Los Angeles are both Democratic as hell and Jewish as hell. meaning there's an awful lot of very powerful Democrats who have spent the past sixty or so years knowing that if they take a position less than unconditional support for Israel they'll be dealing with a primary from someone who will.

part four, the war on terror let them pivot into "we are your eternal allies in the war against the Muslim world," which was great for them while it looked like we were winning, and has left them in a bit of an awkward position now that we have admitted that was a total bust.

some of the reason Israel is going off crazier than usual is that over the last fifteen years American Jews have gone from unconditionally supporting Israel to being a lot more lukewarm on the subject. this has taken support for Israel from "absolutely mandatory" to "you can get away with saying sometimes they do bad things" in Democratic circles. all the military/industrial complex ties and a very well-funded Israel lobby are enough to keep Democrats firmly supportive of them, but as the continued existence of Ilhan Omar demonstrates, it is now possible to not say they get a blank check for everything forever.

# ¿ Oct 7, 2023 20:31

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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

from inside the Hamas child hostage camp

lol

# ¿ Oct 8, 2023 06:17

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FrancisFukyomama posted:

didn�t the IDF get its rear end kicked when it last fought a major military op in 2006 Lebanon?
they have some pretty insane PR guys to keep up their image as super soldiers when all they�ve done since is play camp guard

hmm ... sounds familiar

# ¿ Oct 8, 2023 09:53

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Homeless Friend posted:

absolute multidimensional unit

# ¿ Oct 8, 2023 12:56

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Al-Saqr posted:

Reason to scream DTI from the rooftops number twelve million:-

https://twitter.com/hakicat/status/1656064666831933441?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg

speng looking around nervously

# ¿ Oct 8, 2023 15:51

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Thoguh posted:

Is speng an IK or a mod because they keep doing stuff outside the thread they are the IK for and I recall that when I was an IK the mods told me only to do stuff in the thread I was trained to.

speng is a cspam ik, op

# ¿ Oct 8, 2023 16:30

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smarxist posted:

but doctor,

# ¿ Oct 8, 2023 17:01

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fizzy posted:

Well-meaning news for Frosted Flake - To be on the safe side, and in view of the documented issues surrounding Frosted Flake's past posts about women, Frosted Flake is advised to not post about women any more.

ff is already not allowed to post about women

# ¿ Oct 8, 2023 18:04

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Tankbuster posted:

stop booing frosted flakes. He is right. Brits literally invented a subgenre of colonial literature about the mythical white woman in indian harems after the 1857 mutiny and probably jerked off over it.

he is right but it's for his own good

# ¿ Oct 8, 2023 18:13

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Ardennes posted:

American client states do love throwing arms loving everywhere and seeing what happens

the westerner's shotgun

# ¿ Oct 8, 2023 18:20

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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

Ringo is right

# ¿ Oct 9, 2023 10:36

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Real Mean Queen posted:

We spent most of fourth grade learning about the Oregon trail, the teacher spent like two days on this situation where some missionaries got killed by some natives. If you think about it, either they succeed and establish a settlement known for good relations with the people they�re trying to genocide, or they get killed on some now-embattled white people land and it�s such a plumb of a dead white lady story that kids are learning about in school over a century later. Heads I win, tails you lose.

Kinda the same deal with the settlers. If they take some land, so does Israel. If any of them are hurt or killed or kicked back out in any way, Israel gets to blow up some critical infrastructure amid renewed vows of increased support from the international community. The settlers are part of a strategy, no matter how much they�re characterized as being apolitical first-time house hunters who just happened to be in the right place at the right time

every settler:

https://twitter.com/TheSyedHaq/status/1710559244360008074

# ¿ Oct 9, 2023 11:51

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Al-Saqr posted:

Also this time around comes after the western left were roundly and soundly defeated and killed in all of their attempts to join the political process by the zionists and their allies, Corbyn, Sanders, JLM, Diem25, etc are all gone and in the grave politically, it's pretty clear that the body politic of the west is now firmly in the 'going full fascist nazi' mode in the face of their failure to deal with their own economic disasters and the incoming climate apocalypse. there is no more 'western left' who can throw any objection to what israels doing, the rest of those demsoc weak kneed idiots made the mistake of Kowtowing to the liberals and their nazi best friends over ukraine, so this kneecapped them rhetorically and made them spineless losers. There is no western left, and any group of national resistance movements should ever wait for their permission or sympathy or anything like that, they are useless losers. Go all out in standing for humanity and human rights and freedom, scream DTI from the rooftops, because clearly even if you offer all the compromises in the world in the pursuit of socialism and healthcare, they're still gonna call you antisemitic, so gently caress the haters, DTI all the way.

the west losing control of the periphery was always going to fuel reaction in the population. social democrats didn't make any mistakes, they did exactly what they meant to do: they wanted to maintain imperialism for as long as possible by keeping boots on necks just hard enough that reaction couldn't reach sufficient mass to seize control of the state and start implementing incoherent politics, and when that ceases to be viable, they throw in with the reactionaries to eliminate the left. tale as old as time.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2023 12:19

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004; Can't post for 27 minutes!

keep punching joe posted:

Jacob you are stealing my house?

Ah come on guys, what do yo want me to do?

: you are stealing my house!
:smuggo:

: there's no ethical consumption under capitalism.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2023 12:27

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VoicesCanBe posted:

With Ukraine and now this, it's clear that liberals feel totally comfortable openly espousing genocidal rhetoric.

Even with the Iraq war there was at least some token level of mainstream opposition. Ineffectual though it was, it at least existed. Now there's nothing but total lockstep with the security state.

mainstream western opposition to the iraq war was always predicated on a complaint that the ruling class were doing empire incompetently, and to enrichen themselves alone.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2023 12:54

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RoboChrist 9000 posted:

No worries.

I think that was the real reason, and probably also the explicit reason given by some talking heads on the news, but I definitely think the prevailing expressed liberal viewpoint, at least from what I recall as a dum young teen, was that it was a nakedly unjustifiable war motivated by greed and/or theocratic bigotry and/or Dubya wanting to finish what daddy started. Part of why I recall a common sentiment being that Afghanistan was justified but Iraq was not - the former was a - allegedly - valid response to the Taliban aiding and abetting al-Qaeda while the latter was Bush being Bush.
Obviously 99% of all that is bullshit but yeah. There was definitely mainstream opposition to the Iraq War being, at least in terms of what people said, predicated on the idea it was a fundamentally unjust war of conquest.

Plus if I recall the invasion did go better than even initially predicted, no? It's the occupation that turned out to be a loving nightmare slog, but as I recall the actual invasion of Iraq was less costly in terms of lives and money for America than even Rumsfeld and the other ghouls initially predicted.
(Of course divorcing an invasion from the ensuing occupation is absurd but yeah.)

EDIT: Oh, also, to clarify and rereading your post a bit, I'm talking more about the early opposition in the lead-in to the invasion and the early days of the occupation. Obviously as the Forever War dragged on, things changed.

the expressed viewpoint is just whatever fits the real reason. same reason they're laser-focused on the rape of nova now. it's a matter of narrowing your vision until the information fits the real objective.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2023 13:25

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Frosted Flake posted:

Why are the people who have racial contempt for their enemies always being caught by surprise?

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# ¿ Oct 9, 2023 14:06

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Spaced God posted:

Or the time they tried to boost officer shooting accuracy during incidents by including officer suicides as one shot perpetrator kills and still couldn't break 30%

lmao

# ¿ Oct 9, 2023 14:53

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Honest Thief posted:

The EU is barely a project aligned with its values anymore

yes it is

# ¿ Oct 9, 2023 15:44

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Al-Saqr posted:

actually supporting nazis and apartheid is 100% european values

that's right

# ¿ Oct 9, 2023 15:54

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Atrocious Joe posted:

Greenblatt ended his CNN segment calling Palestinian resistance fighters animals and the host agrees there is a bright line between fighters and terrorists

Now Christiane Amanpour is talking about a story of how a IOF unit of women, who were "non-military soldiers, intelligence soldiers" were killed or captured by Hamas

# ¿ Oct 9, 2023 16:44

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004; Can't post for 27 minutes!

don't care if it "draws heat on this htread," just don't want to read d&d posts.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2023 16:51

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Engorged Pedipalps posted:

I agree with you in spirit but we went down this road with the Ukraine thread already and it nearly got cspam closed

I'm not gonna be the snitch but you guys are playing with fire, it's not worth eating a ban over lovely posts in D&D that nobody's gonna do anything about.

shut up

# ¿ Oct 9, 2023 17:07

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crepeface posted:

have SYQs even been banned?

they should be, but because i don't want to read d&d posts. they're only funny when someone starts sincerely arguing with them which never happens anymore

# ¿ Oct 9, 2023 17:12

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Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:

don't like it don't read dumbass

i can't know if i like it until i read them :mad:

# ¿ Oct 9, 2023 17:14

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crepeface posted:

ok let's compromise, no more SYQs, just quote them outright so people can see who's saying the dumbass poo poo

# ¿ Oct 9, 2023 17:22

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004; Can't post for 27 minutes!

trying to find the wsj article that Sprinter99800 screencap references, but search engines and twitter search are both useless

# ¿ Oct 9, 2023 17:27

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Al-Saqr posted:

long boring lovely post, didnt read, death to israel, long live palestine, i pray for the destruction of apartheid and zionism. from the river to the sea palestine will be free.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2023 17:49

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Al! posted:

everything else about the conflict aside i feel like if you lead with the fact that gaza was given two choices, this or submit to genocide, i think most people can understand that

most ~~people~~ westerners think that by not submitting to genocide, the palestinians have tacitly agreed to being genocided

# ¿ Oct 9, 2023 18:10

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004; Can't post for 27 minutes!

shan't be watching Israel seemingly indiscriminately carpet bomb a densely populated civilian population, but am grateful for you tanking the psychic damage on my behalf

# ¿ Oct 9, 2023 18:18

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PawParole posted:

Once upon a time�isn�t that how stories are supposed to begin?�there was a group of people who believed that their god had promised them a particular corner of the Middle East, and decided to take him up on the offer. It so happened that conditions just then were propitious for their project. The cultural politics of the major Western powers of the time favored it, and not merely in an abstract sense: money and weapons could be had for the attempt, and a great deal more could be made available if the project succeeded in establishing a foothold.

Even more crucial was the state of the Middle East at that time. The history of that region has a regular rhythm of systole and diastole that can be traced back very nearly to the earliest clay-tablet records: periods of centralization, in which a single major Middle Eastern power dominates as large a fraction of the world as the current transport technology will allow, alternate with periods of disintegration, in which the region fragments and turns into a chessboard on which powers from outside the region play their own power games. At the time we�re discussing, the Middle East was in one of its diastole phases, fractured into small quarrelling states, and the sudden seizure of a strategically important part of the region drew only a local and ineffective response.

So a new state came into being, surrounded by hostile neighbors, and a great deal of the shrill self-justifying rhetoric already described came from both sides of the new frontiers. Several of the major Western powers supported the new state with significant financial and military aid; of at least equal importance, members of the religious community responsible for creating the new state, who remained back in those same Western nations, engaged in vigorous fundraising efforts to support the new state, and equally vigorous political efforts to get existing governmental support maintained or increased. The resources thus made available to the new state gave it a substantial military edge against its hostile neighbors, and its existence became enough of a fait accompli that some of its neighbors backed away from a wholly confrontational stance.

Still, the state�s survival depended on three things. The first, and by far the most crucial, was the ongoing flow of support from the Western powers to pay for a military establishment far larger than the economic and natural resources of the territory in question would permit. The second was the continued fragmentation and relative weakness of the surrounding states. The third was the maintenance of internal peace within the state and of collective assent to a clear sense of priorities, so that it could respond with its full force to threats from outside instead of squandering its limited resources on civil strife or popular projects that contributed nothing to its survival.

In the long run, none of these three conditions could be met indefinitely. Shifts in cultural politics and, more importantly, in the economic stability of the Western powers of the time turned the large subsidies supporting the state into a political liability that eventually lost out in the struggle for available wealth. Meanwhile, in the Middle East, the power struggles between competing statelets began to give way to a new era of centralization. Finally, the internal cohesion of the state broke down in power struggles between different factions, and too many resources had been committed to politically necessary but practically useless projects such as the support of large religious communities that did nothing but pray and study the scriptures. The arrogant certainty that the state could always overcome its enemies and that the Western powers owed it the subsidies that paid for its survival put bitter icing on an already overbaked cake, and all but guaranteed the final disaster.

And that, dear reader, was why the Crusader kingdom of Jerusalem fell to the armies of Saladin in 1187, and why the last scraps of the kingdoms of Outremer, as the Crusaders called the land now known as Israel, were mopped up by Muslim armies over the century that followed.

forgot to quote this when I read it, but very good post. thank you.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2023 19:16

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Frosted Flake posted:

I�m deferring to Zodium here but Israel mobilized in support of Jordan to keep Syria from saving the Palestinians during Black September and later cooperated with Jordan to �offer� Jordanian passports to Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, which is a pretty clear refutation of Jordanian support for Palestinian statehood.

Egypt kicked out Soviet advisors in 1972 and then rushed to sign the Camp David Accords. They go to pains to maintain a blockade of Gaza.

Iraq was destroyed (twice).

Syria mysteriously has been ravaged by a huge civil war.

Lebanon had a massive civil war and Israeli invasion and has since stopped acting as a refuge for Palestinian groups.

Libya was destroyed.

Russia is not the Soviet Union, even though, against all odds and precedent, they saved Syria.

Iran does not border Palestine and mysteriously had lines of communication through Iraq and Syria cut by US invasion, then Jihadis who go to Israeli hospitals for their annual check ups.

thank you, but I would not presume to follow PawParole's incredible act. :3:

# ¿ Oct 9, 2023 19:46

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Al-Saqr posted:

israel has now actually shut off water to gaza

https://twitter.com/ajarabic/status/1711450015103582669?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg

israel are literal actual nazis who should be destroyed

# ¿ Oct 9, 2023 19:50

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