Lightning Knight posted:

Hey UKMT, come contribute to my awesome new thread!

coffeetable posted:

Sanford posted:

The most successful messaging I've found so far is "if not for Tory austerity, about 200,000 people would be alive who are now dead. That's 1000's of empty spots on the sofa, 1000's of people starting to make two cups of tea before realising their mistake, 1000's of people rolling over in bed and reaching out for someone who isn't there, 1000's of families missing someone this Christmas who should still be with them. And this is when the tories were on form, never mind the chaos of recent months." The most negative response I've had so far is "I need to think about this" from someone who told me in 2017 he couldn't see himself ever voting not tory, never mind voting labour. It's a powerful message.

Angepain posted:

Ok here's my synthesis of mine and Tigey's posts. (also lol at that kelly edit i made ages ago coming back to haunt me and still being relevant after all these years. though i guess the party being referred to in the leftmost cloud has changed somewhat.) Those in the know let me know all if there's anything needs added/taken away, i'm not a mental health professional so most of this advice is second hand:

Hi everyone! In these wild times please remember to take good care of your own mental health. This election period is going to be an absolute emotional rollercoaster, regardless of the result. There is so much at stake, both generally in the country and personally for many of us, and there are bound to be further massive highs and depressing lows as the election carries on. There will be no shortage of things happening and people saying things and stuff you could be thinking about or potentially doing to help. There will be no shortage of tedious arguments where people speak past each other or wild brawls where people accuse each other of being responsible for society's ills.

In all of this it can often feel like you're obliged to pay attention to all of the stuff going on. It can often feel like you have to exhaust yourself in order to dedicate every last drop of energy you have towards the election. There may well be times when you find yourself unable to think about anything else, constantly refreshing livefeeds or searching out new horrible things that you know will make you angry or sad and that there is nothing you can do about. This isn't healthy - don't do it.

Please make sure you are taking enough time away from politics over the next few weeks to avoid damage to your own emotional wellbeing/mental health. It's good for you, and even if you don't care about yourself it's good for those around you as well. Whatever happens we're all going to need people who care about stuff, and we're going to need a good chunk of those people to be able to get up in the morning.

If you're feeling overwhelmed or need someone to talk to, there are details of helplines you can call here, here and here.

quote:

When we smash a window, we aim to destroy the thin veneer of legitimacy that surrounds private property rights...
A storefront window becomes a vent to let some fresh air into the oppressive atmosphere of a retail outlet (at least until the police decide to tear-gas a nearby road blockade). A newspaper box becomes a tool for creating such vents or a small blockade for the reclamation of public space or an object to improve one's vantage point by standing on it. A dumpster becomes an obstruction to a phalanx of rioting cops and a source of heat and light. A building facade becomes a message board to record brainstorm ideas for a better world.
The number of broken windows pales in comparison to the number of broken spells—spells cast by a corporate hegemony to lull us into forgetfulness of all the violence committed in the name of private property rights and of all the potential of a society without them. Broken windows can be boarded up (with yet more waste of our forests) and eventually replaced, but the shattering of assumptions will hopefully persist for some time to come.

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Chaos with...

https://twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/1190052382442500097?s=20

quote:

I came up with the idea of a register of goons and their CLPs in case any new joiners wanted someone to go to to get the local lie of the land.

Bexleyheath and Crayford - Rolled Cabbage
Bristol East - Luxury Tent Carpet
Bristol West - mfcrocker, Barry Foster, Pistol_Pete, Rarity
Broxtowe - MikeCrotch
Bury St Edmunds - Cluncho McChunk
Cotswolds (yes, we do have one) - Yvonmukluk
Cumbernauld - mehall ('s partner)
Dulwich and West Norwood - maugrim
Ealing Central and Acton - Comrade Fakename
Edinburgh Central (s?) - Autonomous Monster
Edinburgh Central, Ipswich - Lord of the Llamas
Enfield Southgate - spiderbot
Glasgow Southside/Central - Niric
Havant - Last Emperor
Hertford and Stortford - Brovine
Hyndburn - Kegluneq
Leeds East - mrpwase
Leeds North East - Irving Washington
Manchester Central - Jakabite
Northampton - superLINUS
North-East Somerset (the long-shot campaign to unseat Jacob Rees-Mogg) - Darth Walrus
Paisley & Renfrewshire South - Sanitary Naptime
Portsmouth South - ShaneMacGowansTeeth
Rochford and Southend East - DesperateDan
Salisbury (and Salisbury Momentum, which is now a thing that actually exists) - Wolfsbane
Sheffield south east - Cast_no_shadow
South Cambridgeshire - feedmegin
South East Cambridgeshire - Stoic Fnord
Southampton (Test) - waffle, Nova88
St Austell & Newquay - Oh dear me
Stockport Central - Taear
Stroud - sebzilla
Swansea West - Borrovan
Tatton - Bundy
Watford - SpaceCommie
Wimbledon - chestnut santabag

Lightning Knight posted:

Also after discussing it with CB and amongst ourselves, we’ve decided we won’t punish people just for mentioning pissflaps anymore as long as it doesn’t cause an extended derail. What constitutes “an extended derail” is up to interpretation.

Pissflaps is still banned from the thread tho because lol he bad.

Party Plane Jones posted:

Bobby Thompson: don't post in this thread.

VideoGames posted:

AoF please do not post in this thread anymore.

learnincurve posted:

Need something added to every OP. DWP have been told not to tell sanctioned people about this.

If you get sanctioned then to prevent your housing and council tax benefits falling like a house of cards, and in some case get access to a utility bill fund, call your local council for a "Nil Income Form".

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

goddamnit, someone slipped a loving U in the thread title before I could hit reply

fluppet posted:

You missed blackman-woods standing down as a Labour mp

Angepain posted:

also someone explain the thread title to me because i am dumb

chestnut santabag posted:

Dear OP, throw me on the loving list for Wimbledon.

Crankit posted:

You should add From alpha to omega to the podcast list.

pablo gbscobar posted:

Getting in on the ground floor of what is sure to be one of the most legendary editions of this thread yet.

Here is a picture of Jo Swinson holding milk. May it grow wings and fly

Failed Imagineer posted:

This is where we need a new Carl Sagan to explain large numbers to people. Definitely not NDT

Maugrim posted:

There was a good graphic doing the rounds showing the difference between a million and a billion in piles of cash notes, but I can't remember where I saw it - if anyone else does it could be a good addition to the list of resources that someone is definitely compiling by now, right? (I'd volunteer but don't get much time at the PC atm)

Braggart posted:

Also giving back the commons. Good job Andrew.

Tesseraction posted:

I mean yeah that was definitely someone going out of their way to find an unflattering image.

Although I assume the photographer is trying to make it messianic

Doccykins posted:

Farage cont

Angepain posted:

I'm pretty sure at this point Dennis is going to stay as an MP until he literally dies on the bench

bump_fn posted:

ahhhh, the chuka move

Rarity posted:

https://twitter.com/mikegapes/status/1190020184603541508

Angepain posted:

(also while tracking this down I found Azza's giant Brexit So Far summary post which might be worth putting in the OP? for those just tuning in to the UK shagging itself in the slowest, most painful way possible))

jabby posted:

https://twitter.com/michael_chessum/status/1190242180109078531
This is actually slick as loving hell. Might even be motivated to go out canvassing rather than just chucking some cash.

ANYTHING YOU SOW posted:

I was bored at work and started to put some resources for the election here: https://board.net/p/2019_UK_election

Crankit posted:

https://fromalpha2omega.podomatic.com/

CGI Stardust posted:

if we're linking the Emancipation Network pods (General Intellect Unit, Alpha2Omega), may as well stick Swampside Chats up there too to get all 3! "The highest communist podcast"

pablo gbscobar posted:

Angepain posted:

thanks, wikipedia. this has nothing to do with UK politics but i feel this information is important for all.

Rarity posted:

I think this means a Kirby has the ability to change its gendered characters based on its nutritional intake

CGI Stardust posted:

[zizek voice] that's dialectics, baby!

actually, thinking about it, Kirby has mastered the dialectic!

Eschenique posted:

I forgot. Can the PM cancel Brexit without a parliament vote?

Angepain posted:

isn't that what would happen if Kirby wore the crown? Surely if Kirby ate the crown it would gain the powers of the Crown and people could wear it to become like Kirby. in this hundred-thousand word illustrated fanfiction epic, I will

Jedit posted:

So Tess is just a loving pricktease, because 1pm has come and gone and nothing happened here apart from a bunch of sick perverts who should be banned showed up. Explain, please.

CptAwesome posted:

this is cool but what moron created a map that zooms in on both left AND right double click. my scroll wheel is broken how am i meant to zoom

OwlFancier posted:

Clearly voting labour makes you poor.

peanut- posted:

The Lib Dems wrecking things for Labour to make Brexit happen vs Farage wrecking things for the Tories to make sure Brexit never actually happens and ruins his grift.

Pound_Coin posted:

Hello yous, with election season upon us the brainspiders are going to be out in force, recently I've taken a couple of steps to make my internet experience less loving awful and I would like to share;

Hide Youtube comments

Hides all youtube comments, there is no toggle button to tempt you to show them again, they're just gone.

Quick Javascript switcher

Adds a javascript toggle button to the toolbar, breaks a sites that use ad-block blocker, skips "we see you're using adblocker", breaks embedded video ads, works per domain/sub domain rather than globally.

Alternate player for twitch

Alternate player for twitch, bypasses all ads, adds instant replay feature and generally cleans up UI for those long BBC parliament sessions

Angepain posted:

Come to think of it, it might be a good idea for the OP to contain a general reminder to keep good care of your own mental health as a top priority. The election period is going to be stressful for a lot of people and it can often feel like you're obliged to pay attention to all the bad stuff that's happening and go above and beyond your own capacity for doing stuff to help, but wearing yourself out and ruining your own mental health isn't actually a good thing to do or to aim for. it's okay to switch off for a while and come back stronger. something along those lines, maybe put some numbers to helpines, even.

Jedit posted:

VG has spent years sticking Kirby up his rear end?

VideoGames posted:

What??

Also before the previous post I was very happy about the amount of Kirby being posted. Love Kirby!

OwlFancier posted:

Oh my god that's actually true, kirby is the perfect marxist.

Pesky Splinter posted:

"PM Johnson, what would you say your best qualities are?"
"Corbyn, when will you resign?"

ronya posted:

This did not work terribly well...

Angepain posted:

Ok here's my synthesis of mine and Tigey's posts. (also lol at that kelly edit i made ages ago coming back to haunt me and still being relevant after all these years. though i guess the party being referred to in the leftmost cloud has changed somewhat.) Those in the know let me know all if there's anything needs added/taken away, i'm not a mental health professional so most of this advice is second hand:

Hi everyone! In these wild times please remember to take good care of your own mental health. This election period is going to be an absolute emotional rollercoaster, regardless of the result. There is so much at stake, both generally in the country and personally for many of us, and there are bound to be further massive highs and depressing lows as the election carries on. There will be no shortage of things happening and people saying things and stuff you could be thinking about or potentially doing to help. There will be no shortage of tedious arguments where people speak past each other or wild brawls where people accuse each other of being responsible for society's ills.

In all of this it can often feel like you're obliged to pay attention to all of the stuff going on. It can often feel like you have to exhaust yourself in order to dedicate every last drop of energy you have towards the election. There may well be times when you find yourself unable to think about anything else, constantly refreshing livefeeds or searching out new horrible things that you know will make you angry or sad and that there is nothing you can do about. This isn't healthy - don't do it.

Please make sure you are taking enough time away from politics over the next few weeks to avoid damage to your own emotional wellbeing/mental health. It's good for you, and even if you don't care about yourself it's good for those around you as well. Whatever happens we're all going to need people who care about stuff, and we're going to need a good chunk of those people to be able to get up in the morning.

If you're feeling overwhelmed or need someone to talk to, there are details of helplines you can call here, here and here.

ronya posted:

McDonnell is whipping a very similar pledge to not raise taxes (except on corporation rates and the top 5% income bracket). If this doesn't raise enough revenues, it will run into a problem... once in government, simply not reversing Tory cuts is no longer a, I think the term of art is magical money tree?

We might be in the curious situation again where Labour is whipping a tighter line on taxes than the Tories, esp since Johnson seems to have located that tree in his backyard. Growing in a ditch, no doubt.

ronya posted:

all the departments were told to trim their sails - which most did by tweaking secondary legislation. But for the then-Department of Social Security, welfare policies were written in primary legislation and so it had to be legislated to match the budgetary estimates to retain the spending pledge. The estimates, themselves, were written by the outgoing government which had already announced and planned that cut prior to the election - it was not a new policy. So...

but that's not really the point, which is rather that you know fully well that McDonnell, in tyool 2019, isn't going to be marking projections on the assumption of a 100% permanent income multiplier either

Tesseraction posted:

Watch as something exactly the same as fracking but called "waterboarding" is made the flagship energy policy henceforth.

Tesseraction posted:

https://twitter.com/ppls2ndref/status/1173680632192540672

Angepain posted:

torn by the new edinburgh buses with the separate doors for leaving, slightly more efficient but also makes it difficult to thank the driver without shouting across the length of the bus, and it just doesn't do to make a scene now does it, what would society think

Gonzo McFee posted:

They keep making us sound so cool. If they really wanted to hurt our prospects they'd describe us as the trainspotting theory nerds we are.

Jedit posted:

I'm not sure this is the place to say that LGBs aren't human and are also trans exclusionary, but you do you.

A Buttery Pastry posted:

No, I think the answer is a big database. Your suggestion is just plain humiliating, subjecting people to judgment from their neighbors, or worse, encouraging the poor to pay more to project an image of success.

Jedit posted:

I don't know about that. There's at least a chance that members of this group do want to gently caress members of the same sex, and have at some point done so. The Taxpayers Alliance is people who don't want to have to pay tax, many of whom have never done so.

marktheando posted:

Ah, I remember the free hospital parking (or any other non-means tested benefits) are a giveaway to the middle class argument from back in the day when Pissflaps would use it endlessly in the Scotpol thread. He'd say free tuition and free prescriptions just helped posh people because poor people get these things for free anyway.

Rust Martialis posted:

I guess it's some variation of the Tragedy of the Commons?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

Without a fee for parking, people will just park there all day, I suppose people will park there who are actually going somewhere near the hospital but not actually the hospital, etc. This parking will be unavailable for people coming to the hospital, etc. A fee encourages people to not stay long, etc....

I mean I'm unsure why you can't get validation for visitors or patients as opposed to people just parking to go to somewhere nearby, or limit people to 4 hours free, or...

OwlFancier posted:

I want to subject anyone who suggests means testing to an eternity of doing stupid forms until they learn.

Jedit posted:

You don't think people should have the right to own their own home?

Superterranean posted:

OK so - free parking works well until people abuse it. There are lots of other things that work the same way; the mugs and coffee pot in the break room, for example.

I choose to believe that nobody intentionally abuses the coffee situation or never takes their turn at washing up or whatever. But people do fall into bad habits sometimes. Usually, in the coffee pot case, they can be rehabilitated with a polite "please wash your own dishes, it's rude not to". At what scale does that kind of, uh, societal/social reinforcement stop working? Why can't we put up 'please don't park here' signs and...go on with our lives?

Writ in the extreme, is it just that people don't see with their own eyes the people they're hurting that allows them to participate in exploitative systems?

OwlFancier posted:

I want to subject anyone who suggests means testing to an eternity of doing stupid forms until they learn.

OwlFancier posted:

Disabled parking spaces are not there to make them free, they're there to make them close to the thing you're using. And also wide enough for chair access etc.

Which applies whether the park is free or ticketed.

But ticketed car parks on vital services are part of a far more cohesive question about why we can't just make poo poo a public service funded by taxation of surplus productivity.

Free parking already exists, free parking in hospitals did exist not so long ago, the reason we don't have it now is not because we can't have it, it's because liberal shitheads can't handle the notion of centralized provision of services on the basis that services are good for society.

Cerv posted:

last time I went to hospital it was at UCLH
tell me more about how you’d ensure free parking on site there? and why that’s not a stupid thing to be doing

Tsaedje posted:

There is not an ironicat big enough to represent the lib dems complaining that ITV's debate not including Swinson 'misrepresents the political reality'

marktheando posted:

Blackford, I’d spare Nicola debate time with bojo.

OK I’ll be generous and make it the top four party leaders (I’m counting the independents as the fourth party)

OwlFancier posted:

What is it with classical music written for serious imposing events being reused for silliness.

namesake posted:

Only depending on their affiliation to Labour, every leftist needs to acknowledge the limits of Labour and be willing to criticise and be willing to consider breaking from Labour over a critical issue.

This is were revolutionary socialist groups and radical grassroots campaign groups position themselves when the limits of reformist socialism become apparent and the importance of that failure too much for leftists to bear.