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Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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The other thing to remember is that reopening the restaurant, hospitality, and entertainment industry nationwide is going to be an absolutely massive logistical endeavour that could easily cause massive shortages in the labor, food, and supply chain. Disney World at least will probably have to be reopened in stages, which means reduced capacity and services during the runup period and Disney probably wants to give themselves an opening for blackout dates so that the resort isn't overwhelmed. Universal is more likely to reopen all of their parks and retail at the same time, but the hotels will probably reopen in stages there as well.

Elsewhere, I can definitely see Cedar Fair and other seasonal parks simply choosing not to open for the season because they haven't hired and trained their seasonal staff and if this rolls into July they may well not want to try to run up for one month before schools starts. I can almost guarantee that seasonal waterparks won't open this summer at all, especially if there's concern about keeping them sanitary.

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Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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couldcareless posted:

The best thing you can do during all of this is ignore everything the president says and focus on your governor and health officials.

The best thing you can do during all of this is get your essentials and go watch porn at home while collecting unemployment.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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I think the problem is that Disney knows there’s no end in sight so they’re conserving their cash on hand.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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Primeval is probably going because they couldn’t find a way to modify the restraints comfortably after a kid fell out of a similar model in the UK a while back.

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May 29, 2007
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chitoryu12 posted:

I went to Epcot today. I'm going to post the controversial opinion that the parks are actually safer than your average trip to the grocery store at this point. Capacity limits mean there's very few people in the first place (I can't remember the last time I saw so few guests), there's aggressive sanitizing and use of plexiglass around cast members, and the guests at large are....actually doing good? I saw one person break the mask rules about having to be stationary when eating or drinking, and cast members were grabbing people to get them to mask up if they tried to walk off without one. Everyone was following distancing markers for queues and even children were keeping their masks on (probably because any brat who would throw a tantrum and fling their mask off wouldn't get to the park in the first place). Grandparents were making sure the children were masked before walking away from the table. They're even turning away guests in the parking lot if they don't have acceptable masks (they don't accept things like bandannas or shemaghs) and directing them to a vending machine with acceptable masks for $2.

This was the first time in years that I actually felt comfortable and relaxed in a Disney park. The crowds and screaming babies are gone. Everyone is being surprisingly polite and separating from other parties willingly. Not only are people not unmasking, they're wearing custom masks with Disney patterns to match their outfits more than they're wearing cheap packaged masks. I spent maybe 45 minutes just sitting at the waterfront cafe in Morocco, far away from everyone else, with a cool breeze and drinks. It was calm, not chaos.

This actually doesn't surprise me, all the nutters rushed in the first week so now it's the normal people that understand getting kicked out for noncompliance means you're probably not getting back in anytime this week.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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Craptacular! posted:

Why the gently caress was this Resident Evil poo poo happening at Disney


Countdown to Q idiots saying that these are the sheds where Disney sacrifices the children.

Wait, are you telling me Disney DOESN'T practice human sacrifice as a routine business strategy?

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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Hands down it’s gonna be the best attraction at IOA. (see username lol)

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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Good. Universal's known that poo poo was dangerous from day 1 because they tried to cram it into the space available instead of finding a more appropriate attraction.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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Empress Brosephine posted:

Here in the north east you just go to a drive up and don't need a reservation is it different elsewhere

lol yes

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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Desantis is worried about the lack of sales tax revenue affecting his ability to give lucrative government contracts to people that supported his campaign.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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This new attraction definitely won't have persistent technical problems, tons of downtime, and huge capacity issues because there's no way they'd buy another ride from Intami-

nevermind.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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Dugong posted:

I’m sure it’ll have initial downtime issues but there’s far fewer systems on this coaster and it isn’t going to have 9 trains running at the same time or however many Hagrid’s manages.

Lol

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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Boxman posted:

If I could fix one relatively meaningless thing about Six Flags, it would be to fix their completely nonsensical naming scheme. They have six different roller coasters with the name "Goliath," and they aren't even sort of related. 3 different B&M hypercoasters, a Batman clone, a wooden coaster, and a giant inverted boomerang. This is not limited to coasters or unthemed rides. There are also 2 different Harley Quinn Spinsanities. One of them is a Tourbillon, which is called Cyborg in another one of their parks. Also there are two just plain Spinsanities that are themselves different flats. It's mind boggling, although it does provide a decent excuse to learn the trade names of all these things.

:eng101: Technically, Goliath at SFMM was designed and build by Giovanola, not B&M who had left the company ten years earlier. Interestingly, Giovanola did a lot of the fabrication for B&M's early designs before they opened their own Euro production facility and basically hired Clermont Steel Fabricators full time to do their NA and some of their Asia production. It's actually really interesting how small the attraction construction industry is: as another example, one company, Mosely Erection, has put up every major ride at Carowinds since Drop Tower in the mid nineties and has also put up a lot of the big rides at SFOG, Dollywood, KD, and BGW.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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BlueBayou posted:

The ride itself does not look like it would appeal to a US audience, its more of a show. Each room takes a few minutes and they don't all have a lot going on.

By that standard, 80% of the attractions at Disney parks are just shows. The soundtrack is a huge part of the attraction, so it definitely loses a lot if you don't speak Japanese.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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TV Zombie posted:

Also, $15,000 spent for that Matterhorn is a crazy amount to spend.

Building materials are insanely expensive right now.

Incidentally, I suspect that's what put Epic Universe on hold more than the bottom falling out of the tourism industry.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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The thing that's really annoying about this is that Disney is fighting tooth and nail to make sure Universal/I-Drive/OCCC stay off the network.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:

Really come a long way since this ad, huh?



(I know this was mostly the company trying to play nice after Eisner straight up stole their park concept, but still)

It's not even that. Disney wants to let someone else figure out the ROW and build out the infrastructure, then pick it up for a song when the company ends up in bankruptcy ten years from now because they can't make their debt service payments. Then they can rebrand it as RideDisney and have a direct high speed link from the airport to the resort.

Sharing tracks with Sunrail for an east-west connector throws a huge wrench in the plans, because Sunrail is a public venture that Disney can't control.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:

so all the buildings inside the park are just happily rotting away, poo poo's rusting, and it's gonna be a nightmare to bring both parks back up to normal maintenance?

No? Most amusement/theme parks don't run year round anyway and that's never an issue. I'm sure they're still doing regular inspections and maintenance as well as running up certain rides every so often to make sure stuff keeps working the way it's supposed to. It's not like the landscaping and maintenance staff can't perform their jobs while practicing social distancing.

Sure, when the state finally gives them permission to reopen there will probably be a week's worth of paint to touch up, lightbulbs to replace, and locks to change because nobody knows where the key to some closet disappeared to, but all that can happen while crews sweep floors, prep food, and stock shelves. This is completely normal for any park that operates seasonally. There's no way Disney (or any other major California park operator, for that matter) is going to abandon hundreds of millions of dollars in attractions. We're not talking about Nara Dreamland here.

Coasterphreak fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Dec 2, 2020

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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Empress Brosephine posted:

There's even parks in florida that close for the "winter"

yep, because nobody travels between holiday season and tax season

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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Empress Brosephine posted:

I don't even know how that would work considering the walk to the actual restaurant (like something that isn't immediately accessable from the MK underground) and then the at least twenty minute drive to the resorts.

I don't think it'd be that difficult, honestly. Most major food outlets are going to have some kind of backstage access for CMs and food deliveries, all you really gotta do is set up routing. Hell, they already have a system for delivering your purchases to your hotel room, I don't see why they couldn't deliver dinner too.

I think the two biggest issues would be a) the full service/sit down places that generally require reservations are only going to have enough food prepped to serve that shift's covers, and b) while park to hotel probably wouldn't be bad, hotel to hotel could be a nightmare. It's a pretty interesting logistical problem.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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Dugong posted:

I don’t see how that delivery service works unless they implement a radius from restaurants for delivery. Also don’t hotel rooms massively outnumber restaurants hence why you have to book places months in advance normally?

You have to book months in advance because there's only so many seats in a restaurant, made even more limited by social distancing. My guess is Disney is looking to regain some revenue lost from COVID protocols because their food outlets are running waaaaaaay under design volume.

Plus, if it's profitable and scales well, it's not like they can't build some ghost kitchens on property. Hell, it's not even a new concept.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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of course your travel planner told you it was okay to go, karen

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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tl;dr Intamin will build whatever kind of crazy ride creative dreams up, just don't expect it to work properly for the first season. Gringotts went down a dozen times a day for the first season too.

Do not be surprised when this is also the case for Velocicoaster, although it's a much more proven ride system so the technical difficulties should be ironed out in weeks instead of months.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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Zero One posted:

Yeah, ask me about working on record breaking Intamin in the 2000s. They're all POS.

It's a real shame that B&M won't even get a little crazy. They refused to have anything to do with Hulk's launch and it was a miracle when Cedar Fair convinced them to build a giga coaster 12 years after Intamin did it first.

So either CP or SFGAv.

Also, its not that B&M is unwilling to build interesting stuff, it's that they charge through the nose because they insist on doing it, y'know, properly, which comes with a price tag that most parks balk at.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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Boxman posted:

I want my remains spread around Magic Kingdom

Also I don't want to be cremated.

Presumably this will require some coordination with Bioreconstruct

sorry, you'll have to settle for being a permanent part of a building foundation in EU, how does nintendoland sound?

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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Bottom Liner posted:

I think there's probably a California law saying they can't just hold APs indefinitely if the parks aren't open and fully expect them to return with an increased price when things open.

APs will most likely not return to DLR unless they start having issues hitting capacity with day ticket holders, which is unlikely for a very long while even after they can return to 100% capacity.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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Boxman posted:

This is the most enthusiastic Disney fans have been for something starting with "Disney discontinues" since...what, the Maliboomer?

yeah, because DLR has gone from "a magical experience" to "the place where all the rich locals with kids (or cameras) go to hang out for an annual fee"

might as well be a golf club, and good luck getting a tee time

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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and the bunk beds are for the two buddies that chipped in on the room

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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dunno if there'll be a doorknob to put a sock on, but that probably won't be an issue for most guests

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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Empress Brosephine posted:

Hall of presidents with muppets is the rumor

Find me someone in the hall of presidents that isn't a muppet, I dare you.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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I don't think BGT has a specific fansite, it's generally lumped in with Orlando area parks. Maybe Orlando Theme Park News? Or reddit/rollercoasters.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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I think the problem is that any speculative sci fi future is going to look like something out of a William Gibson novel.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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It's most likely a case of "they're going into the shop for a quick overhaul, they'll be back in a week or two you nerds"

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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SteelMentor posted:

Obviously it's a blue sky but goddamn that looks fun as hell and wouldn't be the hardest ride in the world to set up and maintain.

Looking at this and having watched Jenny's video on the last D23 the other night, something she pointed out in that vid is rattling around my brain. That many new rides, especially the screen-based ones, are deliberately designed to be rethemed as cheaply and easily as possible when whatever IP the ride is hinged on falls out of style after a half decade or so.

Maybe it's just the post-Rona nihilism creeping in but it feels like we're rarely gonna see less and less bespoke dark rides like that concept, just an endless string of Fast and Furious/Skull Island tram bus rides with older rides getting smashed into that box ala the Cali Jurassic Park ride. Especially with theme parks taking a hit from the pandemic.

The Simpsons is just BTTF with a new film and a handful of upgrades, Transformers is just a Spiderman clone with robots and 4K projectors.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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Yeah, all the White House really has to do is order the FAA to ground all passenger flights and order the National Guard to shut down I-95 to passenger vehicles.

There'll be a mask mandate within 48 hours.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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The Tim Tracker.





I am joking please don't give him clicks

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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couldcareless posted:

In the most baffling of news updates, Universal removes mobile ordering from most of their restaurants which seems like a weird step backwards

Not enough people to run the restaurants.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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Hazo posted:

APs looked like they were for sale this morning but it was another false alarm.

Speaking of them, however, has there been any movement on this? Was it ever a thing? We were some of the people who sold ours back when it was clear the parks weren't reopening anytime soon and if we could get them back that would be just swell.

https://wdwnt.com/2020/09/walt-disney-world-allowing-guests-with-a-cancelled-or-expired-annual-pass-to-purchase-a-new-one/

Disney isn't going back to APs until they're 100% sure they won't have to reduce capacity or shutter the parks outright again.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
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BlueBayou posted:

Anything past 2 hours and Im probably doing an overnight anyway, so 3+ hours is fine. I just moved to DC and am champing at the bit to hit parks.

I previously lived in Toronto for 2 years and Canada's Wonderland was closed THE ENTIRE TIME.

Salivating at how cheap tickets are to MCO from here. Im going to get annual passes for the Florida parks once I figure out how much I can travel.

One of the great things about the eastern seaboard is that a round trip ticket to anything more than four hours away is almost always less than the cost of gas to drive.

e: also, I-95 sucks, don't do it. Just trust me.

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May 29, 2007
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If you like carousels, I have two words for you: Balboa Park.

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