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Halloween Jack posted:I don't want to wade waist-deep in all of Icke's crazy, but I have seen him in some YouTube video repeating vague platitudes with which most liberals would agree; e.g. that income inequality and rampant pollution are stupid. Is that how he presents himself before drawing people into his Sleestak TimeCube crazy? I feel like this sort of experience is not so far outside of normal, non-conspiracy-related political thinking, though. Anyone who is an adherent of any minority political viewpoint (libertarianism, Marxism, whatever) will have a similar sort of "revelation" experience when they take its tenets and start analyzing the world around them. I feel like this is probably rather common with Marxists, in particular, when they begin seeing history through the lens of class conflict. For that matter, a particularly relevant piece of history might make a lot of dominoes fall into place. The only real difference I see with the conspiracy-minded is that their revelations don't actually make a drat bit of sense.
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BiggerBoat posted:I know that Hunter S. Thompson was writing and saying things here and there suggesting a 9/11 conspiracy. It was pretty disappointing because I love Hunter. Then, of course, after he killed himself, Truthers linked it to the "fact" that he was gonna blow the lid off 9/11 and was silenced for running his mouth about it and for "getting too close" to the truth. To be fair, he had had personal contact with the lizard people.
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predicto posted:No one starts out as a massive conspiracy theorist. They just start out by "asking questions." I do think that D&D shits on people who are "asking questions" a little excessively sometimes. Asking questions is how public suspicion of genuine malfeasance/conspiracy/crime/whatever is often disseminated - people were "asking questions" about the NSA long before Snowden leaked anything, and an awful lot of those questions turned out to be valid. Asking for a smoking gun on a terror plot is not really equivalent to asking about Obama's birth certificate and it's silly to imply that it is. Do we have a lot of public evidence that renders actual footage of the placement rather irrelevant? Yeah. Is it crazy to want to see it? Not really.
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Larry_Mullet posted:Yeah it does seem to be mostly bollocks, but I do think there's some truth to the African aspect of his argument. The UN classifies everyone in Sub-saharan Africa whose immune system has failed or is severely weakened into the HIV statistics regardless of whether they've been tested for the HIV virus and other shady poo poo like that. I don't know whether you're genuinely asking those questions or just saying that that's what the conspiracy theorists are confused about, but no, HIV is not some kind of singularly bizarre pathogen (well, sort of - there IS a reason other than its death toll that it's the subject of so much research). There are certainly others that lie dormant for long and variable periods of time, like syphilis (sometimes) and also a lot of viruses related to HIV, the lentiviruses - plus others I'm not knowledgeable enough to name off the top of my head, I'm sure. The exact mechanism for when the virus transitions from latent to active is rather poorly understood, but essentially seems to have something to do with environmental cofactors - there are various chemical triggers that HIV responds to in high enough quantities that cause it to activate. There's no mystery behind why there is a variable latency period, just what exactly controls the variability. It's also a myth that HIV tests give unusual numbers of false positives, at least now - the current state of the art tests are pretty reliable. False negatives happen because HIV is very subtle and proficient at avoiding the immune system, and HIV tests are all about HIV antibodies - so if there are no antibodies it comes up as negative. In general, if you are confused about things like this you're going to have a lot more luck looking at a few scientific papers to find the answers instead of reading dumb conspiracies, no offense. Edit: Also immunodeficiency among adults is really not very common except in the case of AIDS, so lumping those few people with a non-HIV-weakened immune system into the HIV statistics is basically totally irrelevant. Jazerus fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Jan 2, 2014 |
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SlipUp posted:I'm not totally sold on James Earl Ray working alone. The ballistics tests were inconclusive. Also, how the gently caress does an escape felon buy a '66 mustang, get a driver's license, cross a border multiple times, set up an unsuccessful porn ring, get rhinoplasty, get a rifle and ammunition, acquire a foreign passport and escape again? He apparently never committed any robberies or any other crime for financial gain since '59. He's ex army, and he spent a shitload of time volunteering for George Wallace but then never kept in contact with anyone? Can't wait til 2027. Honestly, considering the "kill yourself" letter MLK received from the FBI and MLK's socialist leanings, I consider the idea that James Earl Ray was not backed by somebody to be more outlandish than the idea that he was. I'd bet on Hoover. I know this is a conspiracy theory and all but harsh treatment of dissent was kind of a thing in the 1960s!
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Pook Good Mook posted:I gotta wonder if people had a problem with Garfield's or Mckinley's assassinations. Czolgosz was more of a Hinckley than an Oswald in his method - it was a point-blank assassination. There was absolutely no doubt about him being the shooter or anything like that. So other than Emma Goldman being arrested (because obviously a prominent anarchist must have been in on it!) for a bit the McKinley assassination was a pretty self-contained event with no real loose ends to riff off of for conspiracies other than the anarchism connection. Guiteau, on the other hand, had extremely extensive contact with the federal and DC municipal governments in his mad quest to be rewarded for nebulous and nonexistent contributions to Garfield's election (basically imagine a guy who published a Tea Party newsletter once deciding that his newsletter was what tipped things over for the election, so he should get to be an ambassador) and so his motivations and abject batshit insanity were immediately understood.
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Heavy Zed posted:Hey now let's at least see what sort of evidence his serious doubts are based on. I think this is the only reasonable stance you can have on the JFK assassination, to be honest. Any theory that attempts to cast doubt on any of the actual mechanics of the shooting - Oswald being the shooter, the path of the bullet, etc. is total nonsense. Oswald's life in the years before the assassination, on the other hand, was extremely unusually filled with opportunities for him to become somebody's agent, and it's certainly possible that he was. You can point to any number of weird coincidences, like him befriending de Mohrenschilt, and say "Aha! The point where Oswald was recruited!" or whatever, if you're so inclined. These are places where the narrative of the lone nut frays a little. The shooting itself is pretty much rock solid.
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twistedmentat posted:Well, I'd say that bigfoot, aliens (ancient and abductions), Atlantis, ghosts, etc are a product of the same kind of thinking as protocols of zion, birtchers, birthers, truthers, but are in a seperate league. The idea that there is something that we are not being told and its being actively hidden and "experts" are ignoring all the (not) strong evidence for. I thought Bigfoots were just serene psychic hippie-Native-Americans that commune with the universe in the forest and avoid us because we aren't sufficiently spiritually advanced. Shows what I know!
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Grouchy Smurf posted:http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured/2009/10/21/color-photography-from-russian-in-the-early-1900s/544/ You can see the original blue coloring of white people pre-Illuminati-poisoning in the Fugate family of Kentucky, the only people so isolated that they avoided the Masonic toxins.
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Munin posted:My favourite *conspiracy connections* thing I saw recently was this one: There are three stars and a cross on the stylized pope hat on the Vatican flag. Clearly, a grand conspiracy.
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EXAKT Science posted:Is it crazy enough that it'd be a fun read, or would I just be wasting my time? Well, it isn't really crazy. It's just a bunch of bad sociology dressed up with economics, basically. The chapter about the economics of drug dealing and the exploitation experienced by low-level dealers is actually decent because Levitt legitimately hung out with a gang leader and got to look his books over and stuff for the sake of his research - at least, provided it's true, which I've never read anything one way or the other about. The rest is just bad because Levitt seems to have no concept of how much evidence is required to conclusively verify a hypothesis and so all of the research is pretty light-weight stuff.
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AddMEonFacebook posted:There are so many conspiracies happening right now actually, that I don't have much time for the skeptics. I'll try to answer some more of your questions, though. Which of our overlords do you fear and despise more? The Bilderberg Group or the lizardmen?
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Just out of curiosity, did you ever tell this "Transformational Center" that they were scaring off conspiracy theorists from seeking their help through their choice of decoration?
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site posted:I probably shouldn't but I find the irony of this pretty hilarious. It only dropped off in your age cohort, because you and your peers grew up. Teenagers still use it.
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Shbobdb posted:http://microbewiki.kenyon.edu/index.php/Silver_as_an_Antimicrobial_Agent Yeah. If it wasn't so expensive it would also be useful as a plating to create sterile surfaces, but copper also has those antimicrobial properties so it's used instead.
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Woolie Wool posted:If steel actually believed the way 9/11 truthers think it does, most forms of iron metallurgy would be impossible. How would you forge something if steel doesn't become soft long before it melts? Blacksmiths don't use jet fuel QED sheeple 
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Blue Footed Booby posted:I don't know that this is strictly thread relevant, but with the death of the attention economy thread, this is the best place I can find for it, and it's too dopey not to post somewhere:  
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zakharov posted:Did this thread ever catch a moon landing conspiracy True Believer? I know it's gotten 9/11 and JFK people every now and then... Don't worry, I'm sure shbobdb can simulate one for us some day
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Nolanar posted:I could call you names and wait for you to call me names, but gently caress it, let's do this. What 9/11 references in Back to the Future are you talking about, and why would someone put them there? Jaws 19 could only exist in a post-9/11 world
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Baronjutter posted:I was talking to my grandpa who is generally reasonable but he has some borderline fascist relatives in hungary that he gets all his euro-news from. Don't worry, your check is in the mail and soon you will understand everything about George Soros and his will for humanity.
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QuarkJets posted:9/11 was a rehearsal orchestrated by Obama for the real travesty of our generation: Benghazi. It turns out that Obama is a huge EVE Online player and he wanted to take out Vilerat in order to hurt Goonswarm BoB Barack Obama Blue 
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boom boom boom posted:The creation of Google Glass moved us up one Unit of Human Progress, the realization that only douchebags wear Google Glass was worth two Units of Human Progress. But Under the Dome getting cancelled moved us down at least half a Unit of Human Progress. I don't know if a crossdressing man winning Eurovision balances that out. Still got a lot of math to do on that one. Surely it was Under the Dome airing in the first place that caused the 0.5 units of regression?
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McDowell posted:What is the idea of a boat or a vessel? Something in human cognition sets us apart from the rest of the animals. The Maoist gimmick was more entertaining IMO.
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QuarkJets posted:Numerology is one of the most interesting conspiracy theory things because it's so much like playing Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon, except then they take those relationships and assign serious significant meaning to them where none exists It's also interesting because it's ancient. Numerology has driven more irrational behavior throughout history than a dozen David Ickes.
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Animal-Mother posted:As with many conspiracy theories, the perverse origin of numerology is antisemitism. The conspiracy nuts think that the Jews are up to something sneaky with their ancient Kabbalah, so they dive into this pseudo-mathematical nonsense to try and uncover the secret matzo recipes or whatever they think they'll find there. It's not all Kabbalah. Cultures have spontaneously invented forms of numerology throughout history and mental disorders which promote false pattern-detection result in numerological thinking pretty often. If the conspiracy nut in question is anti-semitic then their numerology might have something to do with uncovering the cabal, sure.
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Quift posted:Modern "science" claims that life emerged spontaneously from some sort of pri-mordial goo. This imagined process never been replicated. So I am to believe in the existence of an unknown process that can create life from non-life despite there being no evidence of such a process existing. I mean for one thing the idea is neither as vague or as untested as you believe, nor is it asserted as the only possible explanation (though logically even if you take panspermia seriously abiogenesis had to happen at least once, somewhere). The spontaneous formation of organic molecules from extremely basic components under harsh early-Earth-ish conditions was famously tested a long time ago in the Miller-Urey experiment, which uh based on your post is the most recent science you've ever seen on the subject. That was in 1952. A lot of the scientific concepts that "everyone" knows, like the primordial soup, are based on quite old experiments; science didn't just stop where common knowledge does. Since then there have been a lot of experiments which have helped to flesh out the details of possible paths to life from basic organics to self-replicating RNA, which were likely the first living systems, and then to greater levels of complexity. It's true that we don't know exactly what happened as of yet, but we have much more than the vague outline implied by "unknown process", too. Jazerus fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Jul 15, 2016 |
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Would it be a conspiracy theory to believe that this is just fishmech arguing with himself?
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This is a false flag argument, can't anyone else see that fishmech and Baka-nin's avatars are the same? Just take away the anime and add 50 years! Edit: I can MSpaint circle the eyebrows if that will help you see the truth
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If Obama doesn't call out this page as terrorism it's just further proof of Benghazi
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Illuminti posted:Maybe I can convince him he's being gangstalked.... I mean Republicans regularly declare their intentions to do awful poo poo, why wouldn't Obama lay it all out there too?
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Data Graham posted:So basically not "getting" FYAD is what elected Trump. prodromal schizophrenia is as good an explanation as any. peace.
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if you can't appreciate the long-running variety in shbobdb's posting gimmicks and how invariably they are taken completely seriously, i weep for you
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Shbobdb posted:LOL. ace new av dude
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amphibian sex determination dysfunction is a very common indicator of a wide variety of chemical pollution, the first sign of an industrially polluted body of water is the elimination of the amphibian population because they're the most vulnerable. they're supposed to change sex to maintain a community-wide gender ratio, when that doesn't happen properly they can't maintain their population.
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twistedmentat posted:I love how "People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public" - Leonard Nimoy, Civ 4
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Don't know if the thread caught this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF299yydsZw&t=106s
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fishmech posted:The "belief" in Slenderman took more than that though. All he ever did in the original photoshops was just sit around in the picture and look menacing yet not interact with anyone or anything. Slenderman's entire "mythos" is a cheap rip-off of Yahtzee's Tall Man in Trilby's Notes.
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Secret Agent X23 posted:My argument is comparing one conspiracy theory against another. That same contractor is needed for both. What that means is that if you're deciding between contractor-only or DIY, the contractor's own capabilities are not going to be the deciding factor. That's going to be the same either way.  Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Jazerus fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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Keeshhound posted:No, no; he's on to something. After all, the earth is a globe, so therefore people who are concerned for the earth's environment are globalists, too, because they're advocating for the globe's interests! We thought it was an political/economic conspiracy, but it actually goes back to Big Globe again! 
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