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atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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Dusseldorf posted:

I don't know anyone under fifty who bought in California in general.

More accurate.

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

Will this state become ungovernable again if the Democrats lose their supermajority?

Of course it will. Republican might as well be a code word for bomb throwing anarchist mob for all the use they are in actually governing.

Why does the OP suggest that California has any liberalness to flaunt? We're just Florida with less humidity (e: and some very pretty mountains and forests) and our lovely conservatives have Ds because our Rs are complete lunatics.

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atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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themrguy posted:

CA is the best place in the country to be a public employee. SFPD start at 80 grand, although that may just be the high cost of living.

Police and Corrections Officers aren't in the same universe as the rest of the state government. I've been a full time unionized state employee for five years and make 29k.

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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CalPERS isn't really a 'government pension' the way most folks envision it; while it's administered by the state the only funding it gets is in the form of employer contributions from agencies to particular employees as part of their compensation exactly like the private sector and its operating budget comes from just being a gigantic investment firm.

CalPERS would work fine if it was opened up to allow private sector employees/employers to invest in it but then we'd be ruining the business of those fanciful unicorns* that are honest mutual funds.

*because they don't exist

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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Rah! posted:

Of course it's adding more people all the time, and needs to build a lot more, or else the end result will be that only the wealthy will live here.

This seems less like a problem and more like the whole point of NIMBY activity.

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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Rah! posted:

I'm not sure I completely understand what you're saying? Yes, a lot of NIMBY activity seems to be an effort to increase property values and make SF more expensive and exclusive (though a lot of people who buy into NIMBY campaigns are ignorant of this, and think it's really about saving the working/middle class), but I would definitely call that "a problem".

I mean that the people who are leading those crusades don't consider turning their neighborhood into enclaves of the rich a problem, so explaining how that is a natural consequence of their advocacy isn't going to change their minds.

The people who think it is about saving the middle class are also mostly people who think the 'middle class' starts at double the median income.

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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Shear Modulus posted:

I'm kind of shocked at the blowout loss the Indian casino referendum got. What's the logic behind that?

e: Also my city council race between 4 people resulted in the same ordering of the candidates as my preference. I've got the pulse of the electorate.

Same reason my senate district elected Pan; there's apparently a large chunk of people who oppose gambling because rabble rabble immorality.

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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If we didn't grow pistachios we'd be losing one of the strongest donor class proponents for war with Iran so that's unacceptable </migfsay>

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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Don't forget that soil salinity is a serious concern as well, and needs to be considered alongside raw water use. Rice uses a ton of water there but a huge amount of that water is flood control runoff and causes no salinity issues, while alfalfa growing is entirely irrigation and thus hugely vulnerable to soil deterioration.

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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GuyDudeBroMan posted:

The argument was that "we MUST communalize water to prevent it from becoming so expensive under the free market that everyone dies of dehydration".

No, it wasn't.

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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"the problem with rent controlled housing is there isn't enough of it for everybody

therefore we should get rid of all rent controlled housing" -very smart and definitely not huge morons; the entire population of the state of california

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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oh, and because kidney dialysis is necessary to life it is only fair in capitalism that it cost literally every single dollar you're worth

and labor laws are bad and we should get rid of them all

hurray for liberal california

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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Telsa Cola posted:

Theoretically, what are the implications if every county and seat in a state turned blue?

A different party starting up at the state level. Prior to the civil war you had several regional parties because republicans weren't on the ballots there, being completely outside of slaveowners ideas of acceptable

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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mllaneza posted:

That's going to be expensive for my employer. We have well over 10,000 employees and a few billion worth of property and buildings down by Oyster Point in SSF. So there's a nice chunk of change for firefighters and libraries (things my small Northern California town lost when those assholes passed Prop 13 back in the day).

don't worry, your town won't need to fund things

just like restoring rent control this is going to have a tsunami of landlord money to ensure it doesn't pass and unlike with normal elections a stupendous amount of money seems to win referendums every time

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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also wrong about rich people not sitting around asking each other how best to make the world worse

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/unredacted-lawsuit-against-oxycontin-maker-reveals-they-pushed-opioid-low-n965721

i could also post links from the oil and gas industry, the private school industry, the private prison industry, the 'defense' industry, commercial fishing, telecommunications, bottled water companies, the chemical industry, industrial agriculture ESPECIALLY here in california and go on for-loving ever with examples of how actually yes, a lot of the ways the world is like it is is because capital embodied in rich fucks in boardrooms benefit from and actively advance the misery and deprivation of humanity

we can cure hep c right now. it could be wiped out in our lifetime if it didn't benefit a handful of executives to maintain a hep c treatment industry

atelier morgan fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Feb 15, 2019

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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Turtlicious posted:

How is there not an app that pulls public databases and tells you where the closest nuclear shelter is?

Unless you live near a missile silo there ain't no such thing. Small scale fallout shelters were always bullshit. California's garbage for underground work anyway so there's not even any good subway systems to hide in.

Best bet is to just move up north, there's nothing on any target maps between Sacramento and the Puget Sound. You're even out of the fallout plume once you're out of the valley.

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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Sydin posted:

tbh if the nukes fall I'd rather just eat one and get vaporized then slowly die of radiation poisoning or be turned into a raider slave in the resulting Mad Max future.

could be worse, you could be living in portland which would probably be untouched and then be stuck living in portland forever

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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Shareholders generally have no impact on decisionmaking, executing the board of directors and all c-levels should suffice

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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Sydin posted:

Okay, I have a confession to make. I actually support the death penalty. Yes, I admit it. How liberating. Lethal injections for all death row inmates.

Just replace "death row inmates" with "billionaires."





And replace "lethal injections" with :thermidor:

there's a fundamental philosophical difference between the death penalty, murder imposed by the powerful on the poor, enforced by the racist and insane police aided by prosecutors like harris whose job is to hide and expunge evidence to convict more and more people, and the murder of the powerful, corrupt and vile by the people themselves

if a group of people painted the walls of the resnicks' estate with their blood in solidarity with the people of fiji i would support that, despite being opposed to the death penalty

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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Bastard Tetris posted:

No, but the elementary school in my city with the lowest vaccination rate costs 40k/yr

do not quote massive creep stymie

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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lol mises

though i wouldn't be surprised if california is in fact one of the more poverty stricken states in the union. up north is a hellscape i don't want to imagine now that the only jobs available (seasonal work preparing illegal marijuana) are rapidly being made 'more efficient' by legalization and vanishing, the rest of rural california is a tyrannical nightmare land where all land being owned by a handful of hilariously wealthy feudal dictators hold everyone in an iron fist and provide no money to public coffers and every city in the northern half of the state is rapidly becoming more and more expensive and unlivable as gentrification from the techbros being priced out of the bay area by millionaires continue fleeing east, and the sacramento valley welcomes them with open arms, skyrocketing rents and ever increasing the presence of hostile public architecture and police action to contend with the burgeoning ranks of the homeless

i don't actually know anything about the LA area, maybe its doing relatively ok? i doubt it though, this state is a pile of trash

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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they either have the police throw them in vans and drop them off out of town, or more recently do the kinder thing of offering them some cash to *checks notes* end up in puerto rico

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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VideoGameVet posted:

I work a block away from there. I see homeless encampments all over the place. Why don't we (California) have the same regulations as New York in regards to supplying housing?

Same reason we just re-banned rent control and have prop 13; outside of national elections we're the texas of the west

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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Leperflesh posted:

IMO the most important factor encoded in American law is the protection of the innocent, and that explicitly includes those accused of a crime.

hah, that's definitely just in your opinion

e: since this is normal dnd lemme quote some applicable legal analysis from the cop thread

nm posted:

Its actually up to 72 hours, but some states, like CA, limit it to 48 hours (excluding sundays and holidays or if the court is closed for the day -- like 48 hrs expires after 5PM or something). And that is for filing. A judge does not really review the charge for validity (but can set bail based on the assumption you did it) except on teh face of the charging document. That's what the prelim is for. (In California for misdemeanors, you can have the the judge evaluate probable cause at arraignment if in custody because there is no prelim.). Prelim dates depend on how civilized your state is, some "civilized" states like California set it at a a 10 court day (aka 2 drat weeks) while others just make it reasonable (the feds are 30 days). Lose you prelim? (You will.) You then have 60 actual days to be brought to trial after that (actually after the next arraignment, which is a few days later), here, but most states set it at "reasonable" which is why you have dudes at Rikers for years. (Cases in California can be continued beyond 60 days if the defendant agrees, and that is often, but not always, a good idea. You can also restart the clock at any time as a defendant here.)
In the very unlikely event you can prevail for unlawful detentions, damages are pretty much assumed at $100/day, so you're pretty hosed as the 80 days or so will take your job, your house, you car, etc. You'll get $8000. Maybe. Yay.

edit: California has this oddly specific addition to the 48 hour extension rules: "However, when the defendant’s arrest occurs on a Wednesday after the conclusion of the day’s court session, and if the Wednesday is not a court holiday, the defendant shall be taken before the magistrate not later than the following Friday, if the Friday is not a court holiday." i'm assuming back when people cared about these things some county was loving around with this.

look at that wonderful protection of the innocent, you'll be graciously granted a pittance after losing your house and job

but hey at least we're better than the other bastion of liberalism new york, where yearlong stays and practically indefinite detention are the norm


truly california is a bastion of preservation for those accused of crimes

edit 2: if you want to claim the end of cash bail negates this point 1) lol no 2) we didn't actually end it, implementation is on hold pending a referendum, which will easily overturn it because californians are vile monsters, next year

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-bail-overhaul-referendum-20190116-story.html

atelier morgan fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Jun 13, 2019

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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Dumb Lowtax posted:

That's the climate apocalypse, how will it do in the nuclear apocalypse

Horribly!

Oregon's fine though! Nothing to nuke there and prevailing winds keep the blast sites in Washington and California from blanketing them in fallout. Same with most of up north, if you want to go grow weed in Weed or something

atelier morgan fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Jul 11, 2019

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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unbutthurtable posted:

are prevailing winds projections based on decades old climate data? lol

They are!

It's difficult to imagine what could change climate wise to make the winds go there instead of inland from washington or boiling the sacramento valley in a stew of radioactive death but I'm sure nature can manage somehow

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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Doc Hawkins posted:

I don't understand the hair you're attempting to split. It is possible to break state laws in the intended service of some federal mission. Immigration agents do that, and are sometimes been arrested for it, and sometimes not. Why are you trying to defend an inconsistency in the application of the law?

I am not a lawyer, but of course Chesa is, and as someone running a city-level grassroots political campaign, he's very easy to run into and ask questions of. It all seems like putting the cart before the horse to me, but you're welcome to ask him for details.

your mistake is thinking dead reckoning is a person and not a bad faith golem

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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please go post in and get run out of the scotus thread for the eleventeenth time and leave us in peace

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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Moridin920 posted:

The police have them so I should be able to also.

We should take them away from the cops too, precisely

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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Fly Molo posted:


6. repeal prop 13, don't tax a person's primary residence, rent is capped at $500/month

why allow rent seeking scum, expropriate or guillotine as necessary

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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Keyser_Soze posted:

Companies should be re-locating to Sacramento, but they won't because it's still "too expensive" because it's still in California and they can't treat their employees like poo poo like in Texass, and more importantly, the CEO's don't want to live here even though it's a moderate helicopter ride from Woodside/Los Altos Hills as well as on the way to their 3,500 sq foot "cabins" in North Lake Tahoe.

I am running into more and more people that came to Sac like me because they get to telecommute a bit and only have to go back 1 or 2 days per week. I do not miss Sunnyvale at all except the weather.

Also.....wood construction multi unit is awesome for hearing everyone's 15" subwoofers at 3am (as well as everything else.) Yes, I am old. My lawn, get off it!

I'm just sayin'

They are, rent's far less affordable on a state salary than it has ever been

atelier morgan fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Sep 8, 2019

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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Nationalize these dipshits and guillotine the executives already for gently caress's sake

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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Sydin posted:

Right now it seems like the only political will for it is at the city/county level. Newsom AFAIK hasn't mentioned nationalization at all in his pretty numerous remarks about the shutoff. My hope right now is that they're just waiting for the bankruptcy proceedings to wrap up before considering it, but it's also entirely possible it's just too much boat rocking for Newsom's liking no matter what.

democrats are garbage especially ours here in ca

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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california democrats

atelier morgan
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

God you all make cali seem so lovely

I loved where I grew up and then I got priced out of there to Sacramento 10 years ago and in a few months I'm out of the state entirely. California is great, its too bad about the capitalists

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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Oneiros posted:

capitalists, while shitstains, are not the primary source of california's woes. hope that helps.

yes they are, just like they're the primary source of all of america and the world's woes

i'm under no illusion i am somehow escaping capitalists being lovely by leaving, i'd rather stay if i could

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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the california democratic party is run by capitalists in case you are interpreting this as my excusing our poo poo rear end government from their responsibility

atelier morgan
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Seph posted:

In the USA the existing power structure is mostly white and powerful people are often lovely. Theres no argument from me there. What sucks is when people extrapolate "white people in power are bad" to "all white people are bad" in the same way it sucks when people extrapolate "Muslim terrorists kill some people" to "all muslims are bad" or whatever racist example you want to use.

Like, in China they are literally genocoding an entire minority ethnicity, but that doesnt give me latitude to say all Han Chinese are bad. I'm not denying there are tons of lovely white people, it's the extrapolation that is kinda bothersome.

imagine arguing this in this demon cracker nation

atelier morgan
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i wonder where that growth is mostly coming from

https://www.statista.com/statistics/304869/california-real-gdp-by-industry/

whoops the majority is in fire sector bullshit and consultants

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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Sydin posted:

Very happy that my choices for District 19 are "incumbent who backs the GND and M4A" and "a former Bernie campaign staffer who backs the GND and M4A." :)

DSA has "no recommendations" on our City Council race though, which makes sense because there's literally zero good options:

1. Helen Wang: Republican businesswoman who's primary stated mission goals include expanding our police force and protecting Prop 13
2. Mat Mahan: A former startup CEO who was encouraged to get into politics personally by Mark Zuckerberg (no, that is not a joke). All his campaign materials are whining about "government waste" and how he'll bring the "business sense" he had as a CEO to the city budget.
3. Jenny Bradanini: All her positions are a bunch of mealy mouthed nonsense and she bangs on about "fiscal responsibility" like the other two candidates. Also she ran over and killed a 66 year old man last year while he was trying to grab something out of his car parked on the side of the street, and all I can find about her thoughts on the matter is her thanking her friends and supporters for sticking with her through what was a very trying time for her, and her family. :fuckoff:

Might just leave that section of the ballot blank.

gently caress if that isn't california in a nutshell right there

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atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

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WOWEE ZOWEE posted:

Well I guess I'll be That Guy but for your case your employer should have closed their offices already. Honestly if you can do your job from home and you're still being asked to come in, gently caress em because they don't know what they're doing. I know it's much easier said than done but you should find a new job or work with coworkers to push management. That's just insanity at this point.

I'm concerned about those who are going to be unwillingly unemployed or effectively unemployed by this. I've heard some people working at cafes and restaurants are already getting laid off. I haven't seen legislation from the feds or the state to cover these people. Alameda county is putting a hold on evictions but what if landlords ask for back rent or damages? Should people out of a job right now really be paying for rent and utilities?

If the retail and hospitality sectors make it through with only a 50% haircut that'll put 16 million people (10% of the workforce) out of work lol

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