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SedanChair posted:As much as fishmech acts like a corn lobbyist without the charm or tact, he's got a point. Have you ever looked at recipes from the '50s? Jesus Christ. But what has changed is portions and intake. Look at what is considered a single serving cookie or muffin, or how you get a literal quart of soda with your (now enormous) burger and fries. Caloric intake is the one variable that seems to apply in almost every case. Portions, intake, and the vast majority of jobs no longer requiring heavy manual labor doesn't help either.
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Goon Danton posted:The Libertarian Party has a few advantages over other third parties. First, they actually have a good elevator pitch; who doesn't like Freedom (before they find out what you mean by it)? The Ron Paul Five Minute Rule extends beyond the family. Also, the obsession with state and local rule means that they have an actual existing party infrastructure, as opposed to using the "vehicle for a vanity presidential run" model like the Reform Party did. Despite their obsession with state and local rule the party controls a grand total of 4 state legislature seats. Nationwide.
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Aug 5, 2016 07:33
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Who What Now posted:Where "a lot of flack, criticism and general condemnation from other states and other international bodies and basically anyone else" has ever stopped discrimination, or civil and human rights abuses. You know, the thing we're talking about right now? Good god, you're almost as bad at basic reading comprehension as you are at comedy. Given 'Libertarian', it's totally true so long as you read 'dictate the sexual mores of consenting adults' to mean 'enforce the age of consent'.
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Aug 12, 2016 06:11
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White Coke posted:Last I heard Johnson was polling at 6% to Stein's 2%. But that was from someone retweeting Paul Ryan making a joke about how 5% of people wanted that gorilla who'd been shot for president. How is someone polling 1% higher than a dead gorilla (who was also 17 and thus didn't meet the age requirement) a realistic choice? poo poo, Johnson's greatest accomplishment on the national level was getting just under 1% of the popular vote in the 2012 presidential election. The Libertarian party as a whole does not hold a single national-level office or seat in Congress. I say again, Bernie Sanders holds more seats in Congress than the entire Libertarian Party, and has won more elections to boot.
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Aug 12, 2016 06:46
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Of course they have faint praise for Clinton, this is the Libertarian thead, so they are addressing the problems with the Libertarain candidate and his almost apocalyptically absurd policy platform. The Democrat thread is busy worrying about downticket races, because unlike the Libertarian Party, they have Congressional seats to win at the state level.
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Aug 12, 2016 15:58
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8-Bit Scholar posted:And no, I'm not advocating a return to the era of the Triangle Hat fire and loving child workers. Again, I'm of the apparently astonishing position that perhaps there's a middle ground to be found. You're advocating for a candidate whose platform is to remove all of the laws and protections that were put in place to prevent just loving that from happening again. Another Triangle Shirt Waist, or Battle of Blair Mountain, is inevitable under the policy that the Libertarian Party has written into their platform, because they propose to remove every legal control that prevents the sort of behavior on the part of capitalist business owners that caused it in the first place. The 'middle ground' you keep preaching here has nothing to do with the espoused policy goals of your candidate, and you just sound more and more delusional when you argue for it but can't support it with policy statements. Here, go read their goddamn party platform so you know what base you're arguing from: https://www.lp.org/platform
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Aug 13, 2016 04:31
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What the hell field are you in that you can't beat minimum wage with, given you mention a master's, I can only assume is at least a bachelor's degree? poo poo, every fast food joint and Starbucks out here is starting people at $10, and that's in the rear end end of the Midwest not someplace expensive like the Bay or Seattle.
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Aug 18, 2016 01:01
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Nitrousoxide posted:Well the opportunity cost would make that a bad move there for the doctor. But you needn't make such a drastic example. Consider a 20k/yr janitor that is highly motivated and a self starter versus a 15k/yr which requires much more management because her or she is not very motivated. If the floor is 20k them the 15k/yr janitor will likely not find a job. So would you say that in a just world, wages would reflect the value of a worker's labor?
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Aug 19, 2016 12:34
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QuarkJets posted:It'll happen when the poor are mostly jobless despite an otherwise strong economy, when people are just about pissed off enough to eat the rich. Then suddenly a mincome will be OK Pretty much. Mincome in the US is going to be the last resort of oligarchs terrified that the masses are about to start decorating the streetlights with rich necks in slow nooses.
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Aug 20, 2016 00:14
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Be honest. You couldn't support that because it gets in the way of creating corporate indenture in the form of poverty too great to bear the risk of refusing unreasonable working conditions or compensation offers.
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Aug 20, 2016 00:33
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That's the result of the refusal to even attempt to keep the minimum wage in line with inflation that you're advocating. That is literally what the policy of 'oh, we should raise it but only by less than 50%' is advocating for when the minimum wage is so far below a living wage as it stands. Here's a nice calculator that breaks down the factors it uses to figure a county-by-county living wage country wide : http://livingwage.mit.edu/
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Aug 20, 2016 02:01
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Hell, I'll suggest it. Let's do it. Federal minimum wage to $15 starting 21 January 2017. I'll give you a hint, Walmart's still going to need people to stock their shelves, McDonald's will still be open, and there will still be waitresses at your local Chili's. Small businesses that do less than $500k a year (The usual target of the 'BUT THINK OF THE EMPLOYEES" crowd) and are not engaged in interstate commerce, as well as small farms, are already exempt from the federal minimums anyway. Their only worry is losing their staff to better paying offers...
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Literally The Worst posted:look i'm trying to not hurt people, thus we should continue not paying them a livable wage But Dickeye-san, if we have to pay the laborers a living wage, where will our shareholders' ever-increasing dividend demands come from?
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Aug 20, 2016 04:54
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Not to mention that most of the companies worst effected by increases (foodservice and general retail) are the primary place the newly solvent poor will be spending their hard-earned dollars, because people need and demand goods and services which they cannot currently afford.
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Aug 20, 2016 05:48
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Cemetry Gator posted:Now, Jillette argues in a true free-market, we wouldn't have the mega-corporations. Now, this is a problematic statement. Basically, when you're creating the fantasy, you can create the rules it follows. But what's to stop that from happening? Jillette does not understand fedualism. That's all.
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Aug 21, 2016 06:01
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It's also pretty great at insulating the rich from economic shocks, too.
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Aug 21, 2016 07:49
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Soviet Commubot posted:Education, and even though I'm one of maybe 300 people in the world qualified to teach elementary school in the language I was teaching it in the starting wage is minimum wage and there are no significant raises in the pay scale for the first 8 years or so. Nah, I'm in Iowa. Michigan is just its own special economic Hell. Education makes it fully understandable though, that field is absurdly under-paid. Good luck on your transition into better paying work!
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Aug 24, 2016 20:43
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paragon1 posted:It's cause the Midwest is the septic tank of America OP. Spoken by someone who's never been to Mississippi.
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Aug 25, 2016 00:05
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Trying to remember what famous musician said something to the tune of: "People who whine about selling out never wondered how they were going to get enough food and gas to make it through tomorrow."
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Aug 25, 2016 07:12
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Uroboros posted:Another gem from my stepfather's Facebook. Just tell him you too support a return to 90% top tax rates, and compliment his historical acumen. It'll confuse the poo poo out of him.
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Aug 30, 2016 18:14
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Nitrousoxide posted:Individual actors might be made up of non competing parts, but to keep them lean and efficient they need to be challenged by their environment. So in summary, they're an exception because they would otherwise disprove your theory.
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Sep 4, 2016 14:54
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GunnerJ posted:Uh to the extent that Nazism works at all it pretty much runs on people being told what to do? So that just sounds comically dysfunctional. At the end of the day the point is that they refuse to recognize any authority but their own as legitimate, and therefore it must be torn down.
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Sep 6, 2016 06:56
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Dirk the Average posted:You are forgetting, of course, that most GBI proposals come with an attached tax hike on higher earners and also tax away the GBI after a certain threshold so that it primarily benefits low income earners. There's also the question of how much of that would be direct replacements for programs we're already funding to pay the costs of poverty now.
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Sep 7, 2016 15:41
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Jizz Festival posted:I'm surprised that so many leftists in this thread actually seem to support a mincome. How would such a thing be sustained, or even implemented in the first place, when it's so easy to attack? I mean you're just straight up giving money to people who aren't working. You might not think it's justified, but that would definitely create resentment. Telling people to just get over it isn't going to make it happen. We're already straight up giving money to people who aren't working via Medicare, food stamps, and countless other programs. If we can't generate jobs for them to do that pay a living wage, and we won't just kill them as surplus mouths, what else do we want to do? ToxicSlurpee posted:How do you sustain it? Not emptyquoting. Eat the loving rich. You want to pay for socialist policy? Let's get back to Eisenhower's 1950's tax rates for a starter. 90%/52%/25% top marginal tax rates for income/corporate/cap gains, although I'd crank the cap gains up closer to 40%. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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Nitrousoxide posted:Recreational drugs are different insofar as the individual knows what they are getting them for, base pleasure, and are very competent in making decisions on their base pleasure. Jesus christ how do you manage to walk and breathe at the same time? Take five minute out of your busy life to go hit up, say, TCC and check out all the loving burnouts who have absolutely hosed themselves and in several cases died rather horribly because they thought they were competent in making decisions about drugs. This sentiment alone, among all things you say in this thread, shows that you are either an idiot or simply a sociopath.
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Sep 9, 2016 03:40
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paragon1 posted:Interesting how when someone says "People should be able to do whatever recreational drugs they want because they're rational and know what's best for them!" and gets "But many of those substances are addictive and compromise your ability to be rational when considering them, and the users often aren't aware of the risks." in return, the first person's reasoning suddenly becomes "BUT DRUG WAR BAD!?" Where did their original reasoning go!? It's like it was never here! Amazing! I'd prefer to see it treated as an OTC intoxicant like alcohol, and have edibles become the standard because smoking things in general is terrible for your health, but the herb's got a lot of potential as a useful medicine.
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QuarkJets posted:Usually you make edibles with THC-infused butter, which is probably just as bad for your health. Last I knew, butter will get you fat and possibly contribute to heart problems if combined with other poor diet choices. Lung/throat/mouth cancer doesn't gently caress around, and pot's not as bad as commercially produced tobacco but still a significant issue.
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Caros posted:On top of the pension system issues (which is the only significant reason USPS is losing money) this would still be a stupid loving example. Exactly this. If USPS wasn't required by law to do last-mile delivery to literally everywhere, while also both working to keep consumer costs low -and- being backstabbed repeatedly and deliberately by legislators who are desperate to prove that only privatized services are worthwhile, they could and would eat the lunch of every delivery company on the continent without trying. The Mail infrastructure is -really goddamn good-. Like getting a physical package from a Up A Goddamn Hill Eastern Washington to Tampa in under a week for seven bucks.
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Honest question that I am 100% positive you haven't even remotely considered, Nitrousoxide, as it is against your religion : Why is it good for a government run company to be profitable, as opposed to an indicator that it is providing unnecessary costs to consumers?
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Ormi posted:You are a liberal. Literally every stance you have is one that fits perfectly inside the bounds of modern centrist liberalism. Aside from the obsession with the concept of the 'free market', yup. I'm not even sure what NO2's definition of a free market is, given that a state strong enough to handle things like emergency services, policing, and the like is going to exert market control via law enforcement if nothing else.
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Stinky_Pete posted:Ambulance services are all privatized in America afaik and the ride in the ambulance is exorbitant because some people can't pay, though now it's getting more balanced because of the individual mandate. It seems strange to me that it's privatized as it has the same basic dispatch and response model and natural monopoly as police or fire departments. Ambulance services also do a lot of other stuff, like transports between facilities. In fact for many of them that's their primary funding. A lot of places still maintain separate paramedics linked to the Fire Department, though, who are state funded emergency medicine.
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Sep 11, 2016 03:33
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AShamefulDisplay posted:Yeah, but why is private power okay? Is it ignorance of how coercive private powers can be or is it something else? It's the Just World Fallacy. Libertarian philosophy assumes that if you remove Big Government, noone will step in to fill the power vacuum.
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Sep 29, 2016 22:10
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WrenP-Complete posted:Some actual Libertarian news: To go with these, here's Ron Paul himself giving his endorsement to Stein over Johnson because ol' Gary doesn't believe in the NAP! https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/03/ron-paul-criticizes-gary-johnson-praises-jill-stein/
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Oct 4, 2016 04:55
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At which point you need to taunt Big Yud with having produced a more workable AI than he ever has.
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Let's be fair, you can do that with a Speak & Spell.
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Stinky_Pete posted:And they couldn't even imagine using your voice to tell your Google Home to play Far Side Virtual while you wait for its oven timer to finish. But don't tell anyone that all this computer stuff was figured out at universities (and, admittedly, the Navy, thanks Grace Hopper) before it became commercially viable The whole cuckold thing comes from a very deep-seated sense that their partners don't really like them all that much, or have reason to be loyal.
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paragon1 posted:Inflation!!!!! My new car runs on e85, and if you get me enough butter I can start some -real- deflation. 
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CharlestheHammer posted:Who will be the Great Britian of gay sex? Who said anything about pulling out?
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DeusExMachinima posted:Heeeeyyyy libertarian thread, long time no see. Just wanted to drop in and let you all know I'm terrified what Trump's SCOTUS is gonna do re: stop & frisk, NSA spying, free speech, abortion, etc etc. I'll have to try to find a silver lining in the fact that they'll luuuuurve libertarian economic stances and that I will probably get to live long enough before the nuclear apocalypse to see them steamroll CA and NY's gun control bullshit in an NRA-funded lawsuit. Just remember, the national GOP platform has goldbugs' wet dream written right in!
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MikeCrotch posted:The whole concept of the Senate as an intentionally unrepresentative upper house is one of those ideas that sounded neat on paper in the 18th century but is horrible in practice today. Hilariously, isn't that the ideal of the House of Lords working as intended? In that they're supposed to, as theoretical vassals of the Crown, be looking out for those they are responsible for? I know the above statement has absolutely nothing to do with the actual intent and function of the Lords, but still.
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