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Brannock posted:I don't see how Walker survives any attacks on his economic record, even everything else he's done notwithstanding. He campaigned on 250,000 jobs for Wisconsin and instead Wisconsin is among the worst states for far too many economic metrics. They're dead last in the Midwest for job creation come on. Well that's not sexy or exciting to talk about at all. The media would much rather focus on Bernie Sanders writing a race fantasy than some boring "economic junk". But literally his biggest strength seems to be that even his failures aren't exciting to talk about.
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, "Leave the science to the scientists." ~ Rick Santorum, to Pope Francis. Incidentally, the Pope holds a masters degree in Chemistry. Doesn't Santorum keep getting involved in votes in Congress declaring climate change not-man-made by legislative fiat?
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Stultus Maximus posted:Santorum hasn't held public office in 8 years. poo poo I think I'm getting people mixed up again.
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AlternateNu posted:While all the branches of the US military are conservative leanining, I'd also like to point out that the Navy is the most liberal. Isn't the airforce have a huge fundamentalist/evangelical component?
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Family Values posted:Yeah it would be more illegal I think? You're not a whistleblower if you're doing it for financial gain, you're just committing espionage at that point. Is paid international corporate espionage actually illegal? Like has been mentioned, the details of the TPP aren't actually classified to my knowledge.
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STAC Goat posted:I WANT to be a good, compassionate person who feels for everyone and doesn't want anyone's life ruined. I feel compassion for him. I can't read what he said in that article without thinking that this guy needs serious mental help. He honestly sounds like a victim of his own mind.
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Boon posted:I always thought "females" was a stilted way to discuss women casually, "ladies" has become a weird and creepy way to address women apparently, and "girls" is apparently too domineering. Women/woman is basically it I guess unless "guys" is now universial... in which case equality has come. Chicks, dolls, lasses and broads are still all acceptable right?
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Jun 10, 2015 18:08
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Supraluminal posted:Does it set any precedent that could be harmful later? That'd be my main concern. It sounds like it set a precedent for awarding 0 dollars and 0 cents to bailed out rich people complaining about how they were bailed out. 
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I do find the focus on gun control among certain people to be super weird right now, as if the sort of gun control those people advocate would have stopped this or even impacted it. Not that I'd be opposed to a complete ban on handguns.
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Jun 20, 2015 01:47
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Tender Bender posted:I wish someone would call out GOP politicians every time they use a shooting to push their pro-gun agenda by saying we shouldn't increase gun control and that Obama is using the shooting to push his gun control agenda. I'm not sure how to word that sentiment in a more eloquent way but you get what I mean. I was under the impression that we and many others do call them out pretty reliably, we just don't have any way to stop them? Also most of us are seemingly agreed that the NRA can go to hell along with the people who support it's insanity. But in this particular case, when there's a much larger elephant in the room, it seems like a bit of a weird focus. I guess there's enough room to talk about all the different stuff though, and if he really did acquire a gun because of a lack of regulation/enforcement then that discussion has a place at the table. Crain posted:This whole case is an outlier. Gun control wouldn't have stopped this. Mental health access wouldn't have stopped this. Hell, I don't even think armed guards would have had much of an effect. Breaking up the network of white supremacy that radicalized him, and doing something about the constant violent, racist rhetoric that meant no one reported his plans because seemingly talking about killing black folks is just socially acceptable where he's from, those might have helped, no? GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Jun 20, 2015 |
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Maybe last-barrier legislation of the sort you're describing shouldn't be our go to for trying to fix problems? A band-aid, at most. Laws of the sort you seem to want to talk about don't fix social problems. You can't use laws to forcefully cut off the final mile of a society that thinks something is okay - prohibition is a testament to that. That doesn't mean the government and it's laws can't be a powerful and useful force for change, but I'd hazard a guess that most of what it can and has done that is useful in preventing things like this have less to do with passing new laws and more to do with innovative enforcement, cultural messaging, and a chunk of society dedicated to supporting their efforts. Maybe what we need is more super heroes beating up racists, that seems to have helped against the KKK. More government force in pursuing those who issue racist threats. A willingness on the part of the media to not just call out but openly mock racists for their rhetoric. Make the whole thing unattractive in every way. We've done it before and had success. GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Jun 20, 2015 |
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The FBI often does good things, and spends time tracking down real criminals. They are law enforcement, and may not always be great, but are probably better than average American law enforcement by a good margin. The CIA exists explicitly to break laws and undermine the rule of law, with the justification that, well, someone needs to do it.
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Jun 21, 2015 00:46
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) defines terrorism as “the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives." I'm not quite understanding how this could be classified as "not terrorism" but the Boston bombing could be classified as "terrorism". What's the difference, in light of that definition?
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Jun 21, 2015 02:17
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berzerker posted:No one in the South actually calls it that. I guarantee you this is false.
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Jun 21, 2015 02:30
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Weird it's like...he's not a white guy??? I just don't understand... Actually, I'm pretty sure many white persons could have said the exact same statement and most people would have been okay with. Context matters, and while part of the context is the colour of Obama's skin, it's certainly not the only context.
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Jun 22, 2015 18:49
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Fried Chicken posted:eBay and Amazon exercising a lot of discretion over third-party posting may be a road we come to regret going down. ...but they already do, though? I mean, this isn't something new that they've never done before, this is just moving one more item over to their "won't carry" bucket, which already has a ton of things in it from what I remember.
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Jun 23, 2015 19:17
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berzerker posted:Reminder that black Southerners are Southerners too. Stop lumping an entire region into an evil Other. Who has lumped all southerners into an evil other? You're the first person I've noticed who has used "Southerners" completely unqualified.
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Drone posted:I dunno, a more meaningful push for actual, real gun control would matter a whole lot more than lowering a piece of cloth from a flagpole, even if what that piece of cloth stands for is completely reprehensible. I'm sorry, but I'm gonna go with fighting racism as more important and appropriate than pushing gun control in this particular situation. I may be a "waste of valuable political clout for you", but it's certainly not for everyone. berzerker posted:The nerve of those people, hypothetically acting in a way we don't like!
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Jun 24, 2015 16:52
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berzerker posted:There was a post just prior to this that either I misread or there was an edit (probably me misreading) talking about "the most bizarre thing about white Southerners" and "Southerners that hate everything about America." I sincerely apologize for making a correct statement about black Southerners being Southerners too, in response to misreading a post. Apology accepted. As to the ongoing conversation about whether zoux is right and everyone else wrong: I too hope that this goes further than the whole flag thing, but the flag thing is not nothing.
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Drone posted:Yeah, removing a piece of cloth but doing nothing about the sentiment behind it is curing racism. Thanks for finally solving that problem for us. "No, you don't understand", he cried, "Anything that isn't doing exactly what I want couldn't possibly be helping anyone!"\ So, let's ignore your pet hobby horse and your need to make every situation about it and it alone, and talk about what you would want us to do, as the next (but not final) step, that is better than denormalizing symbols of racial hatred and oppression? Alter Ego posted:Who is saying this? JT Jag posted:Who is actually saying that this fixes racism oh my god No one! But it's almost like that doesn't matter...
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Drone posted:Make it harder to get a handgun? Sorry, sorry, I mean in terms of fighting the whole racism/white supremacy thing. Left out a couple words on the rewrite.
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Jun 24, 2015 17:26
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berzerker posted:Look at that fat guy out for a run! He's probably just doing it to *look* better, not because he's learned true mind body discipline. And he'll probably just go eat a million bowls of ice cream and get fatter now anyway, I'm assuming. This running nonsense is just a meaningless distraction and I'm against it! I don't know why he's bothering either, to be honest. I mean, even if he truly believed it would help, he's still going to be fat after he's done running for the day, so can you call it a meaningful effort? And in like half an hour he's probably just going to stop, you know? So much for that! zoux posted:You're 'bout these false equivalencies today huh. In your analogy, going for a run would be what I want them to do, stapling up thinspiration photos on their bedroom walls is what you think is plenty of progress towards a goal.
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zoux posted:You're right, maybe we should just never bother with anything ever again. We are bothering with something right now, you're just upset because we are bothering with something that you don't think is a big deal, even though we've done it your way after most of the previous shootings. zoux posted:I don't agree that gun ownership is a right. In America? Would you like to make any additional statements about how your opinions are not in fact based on reality but rather on wishful thinking? I think it really helps your arguments.
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Brannock posted:GUN CONTROL?!?!?!?!?!?!!! That doesn't count, obviously. Because there's also a conversation about racism, the symbols of racism, and the veneration of racist symbols happening, and that conversation is detracting from Full Disarmament Now. 
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Radbot posted:A solid argument for never changing anything, ever. No, it's a pretty weak argument for that, but it's a pretty solid (okay, barely solid) counterargument against what it was countering.
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zoux posted:I think the most important question is: is talking about racism and flags making zoux feel good? I think that answer is unequivocally and emphatically no. We have not "done" it until zoux feels good. We must focus on what is important here. Does this sound about right, zoux? Trying to get to the crux of your problem here. Woah. Can someone give some sort of context for this? Why?
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zoux posted:I honestly have no idea what you guys are so mad about. If the straw arguments you're attacking weren't evidence enough, I think this is solid evidence you have a deep misunderstanding of the people you are attempting to communicate with. zoux posted:It's a good first step yes. My argument is that if the sum total of social change that occurs because of the AME shooting is that the SC state capitol stops flying the flag, that is not enough.
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sugar free jazz has a point, I think. Identity is important to a lot of people, and a big part of changing minds and making progress is giving people better alternatives to identify with. I think a lot of progress could be made in the South by introducing a powerful competing narrative for people to identify with and feel proud of that isn't based around racism. Talking to people who fly the flag, I do feel that many of them simply wish to appropriate it because they've got nothing better. It's not even about the flag, directly. It's about having pride in where you're from, and a lot of Southerners don't really know the story's worth having pride in, or can't see themselves in the ones they do, and so they latch onto what's available and then try to rewrite those stories in such a way that they can have pride in them. Abolishing institutions tend to work better when you've got a place you can point people to go and say "and if you're looking for the same sort of thing this provided you but without the bad bits, you can head on over to that over there and get it".
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gradenko_2000 posted:EDIT: Apple is removing App Store games that show the Confederate flag, which are mostly American Civil War games. Ugh, count on Apple to do the stupidest possible thing to "contribute". I thought the point was to remove items that venerated the the confederacy, not ones that mentioned it... Still, seems like a good day overall. Whoo.
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spacetoaster posted:Where are you? When I got married at the courthouse the judge literally did a ceremony out of the bible. Where are you? I've never heard of courthouse marriages involving bibles. It's just paperwork, they sign off on it, and you're out.
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radical meme posted:The inconsistent nonsense of people in this thread cheering on that lady who took down the Confederate Battle Flag then saying, "yeah that ISIS flag with dildos is edgy and cool", what a perfect symbol for such an important social issue. I don't think anyone would have had a problem with a "vibes and dildos" version of the "stars and bars" being flown at a pride event. radical meme posted:edit for Venom below: yeah, but I guess I missed the Nazi Swastika flag made from dildos and butt plugs. GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Jun 28, 2015 |
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Apparently at least six black churches have been destroyed just among the four states covered in this article: http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2015/06/26/string-of-nighttime-fires-hit-predominately-black-churches-in-four-southern-states/
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Optimus Subprime posted:The death penalty ruling is pretty awful. I'd take a guillotine over those drugs if I was to be executed. The result seems to be directly the fault of the idiots bringing the case. They didn't care about the issue actually being argued (they obviously didn't care whether or not the drugs were cruel and unusual punishment), but were using it as an excuse to try to argue something completely different that the law didn't support (they just wanted the execution stopped full stop), and that unsurprisingly lead to the lovely conclusion we got.
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Shageletic posted:Wow. Interesting, interesting... so it is just like the Nazi flag after all? Wow indeed, hahah.
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Fried Chicken posted:Don't hand me a network of killer robots, secret prisons, special forces, ubiquitous surveillance, and a nearly complete DARPA power armor program and expect me not to go full Doctor Doom with them. I see you've committed not just to running but winning, with this sort of talk you're gonna go straight to the top. It's a message that will, I think, really resonate with the voting public.
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Corbeau posted:e: Besides, as far as I can tell China is winning the economic "war" for influence. Why the hell would the jeopardize that with military warfare? Internal Economic pressures. If things start heading south, that dissent is best focused outward, and who better to focus it on than Japan?
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Hey fishmech I am not sure how much the 25 and up bracket matters if we're talking about hypothetical future war pressure from a young male population without relationship prospects. Looking into the next decade, a ratio of over 1.1 seems pretty drat bad even considering foreign brides (and its not like their neighbours have a large enough surplus of women to balance out China's deficit)
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evilweasel posted:Why is there a picture of Osama and Kadaffi? Can't imagine a right winger is mad at Obama's role in both of their deaths. quote:Gaddafi quote:Osama Bin Laden He is mad at Obama's role in both their deaths.
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