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At least Mexian media isn't as dumb as ours. Alkydere posted:Basically the prices were always really expensive, but they were hidden behind insurance for the most part. Pharmaceuticals price-gouged because they could, hospitals and doctors price-gouged to get the insurance companies to pay up. Which meant that insurance companies price-gouged and offered incredibly lovely coverage to a certain section of customers to pay for the gouging while also doing their level best to outright deny service to anyone who looked like they'd be too expensive to cover. Very true. The entire US healthcare system has been artificially inflating its prices in a ridiculous bidding war for decades and we get screwed over for it.
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canepazzo posted:Keep arzying cause they're going down too: This is about the point where she had to kick it into first gear rather than wait for Trump shooting himself in the foot anyway.
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Sep 1, 2016 15:05
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If you want to get anything done these days, you absolutely have to remove the Republican's ability to temper tantrum about it to show off. Otherwise we get a repeat of Ted Cruz misunderstanding Dr. Seuss whenever we want to pass a traffic law.
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Sep 1, 2016 15:43
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zoux posted:Yeah, I don't like it because even if we win the Senate in 16, we'll lose it again in 18. Also true. The Republican temper tantrum is having their desired effect of ensuring that they can continue to screw everything up later on since we cannot ever expect them to be reasonable unless they somehow man up and grow some principles.
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Sep 1, 2016 16:00
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Radish posted:I'd like to think the media is really damaging their credibility with all this. Republicans already believe that the media is leftwing and untrustworthy; I can't think that this blatant double standard that some journalists are showing where Trump is being treated like a child and gets a gold star for eating his food without choking is helping them with democrats that are in serious Clinton "scandal" fatigue. It is among the younger viewers who are abandoning traditional sources in droves, but old viewers are usually too stubborn to change and remain, which encourages them to keep on pandering to said viewers and trying to appear "fair" by justifying every reprehensible thing the Republicans have been doing for decades even though the demographic is dying off. WampaLord posted:Honest question, why does losing the Senate matter if Hillary can veto anything lovely that they pass? It does when we have to get anything not-terrible done. They'll block her even more than they did Obama since they saw how well that worked.
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Sep 1, 2016 16:03
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mdemone posted:Tom Cotton looks, sounds like, and is a stupid motherfucker. He's got no national upside. Being stuck in the hick state that elected that bastard, I can confirm, but that doesn't mean much if he could find the same type of gullible dumb old white people to support him. Especially since Trump lowered the bar so much.
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Sep 1, 2016 16:16
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Do they really think that Trump has to be tricked to screw up?
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Sep 1, 2016 18:29
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FuzzySlippers posted:Diane Rehm makes more sense now. I remember like a decade ago she sounded like she was going to die on air so I was surprised recently noticing she was still doing her thing. I know its not her fault but her voice makes me want to kill myself and get it over with. God only knows what kind of thought process it takes for this one thing to be the breaking point. I guess pure self delusion had to keep her in before it finally broke.
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Sep 1, 2016 22:29
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Nessus posted:If Trump does one good thing, I hope he at least puts some damage on the reflexive association between "Republican" and "good" that a lot of the rubes seem to have. A few pages back, but that will never happen. When he falls, all blame will be placed on him, Crooked Hillary, voting fraud, minorities, Obama, RINOs and just about everything else besides Republicans. The fact that he spewed the same gibberish that they demanded for decades will be completely ignored since rubes have been well trained to see that as an absolute good that can only be failed.
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Sep 2, 2016 04:30
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TVarmy posted:Amazing. They think just calling mass deportation humane will win people over. Like with every one of their positions on minorities, think it'll win them over the squeamish white republicans who couldn't quite justify voting Trump to themselves and were looking for an excuse. The problem is that demographic is probably so small as to be completely irrelevant since everyone who would vote for him already is committed and it alienates absolutely everyone else, including their base of angry bigots who get turned off by anything other than frothing at the mouth racism.
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Sep 2, 2016 05:28
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Gyges posted:Surprising that a bunch of racist neo-nazis in denial are big fans of a crazy Hitler speech. I do feel bad for Ivanka though. She seems to be a decent enough person who tried valiantly to get her dad to be reasonable and at every turn she was stymied by the fact that he's a giant, orange, racist, baby. She even tried a Russian take over, and daddy just ignored the dictator whisperer in favor of his racist buddies who make him feel good. What worries me is that Trump surrounding himself with equally racist yes-men is going to get him really believing in his "rigged election" stories and order the remaining true believers following him into full on terrorism after his failure. The Neo-Nazis aren't going to take their one last real shot burning out lightly and he's not likely to do anything to discourage them. We are likely looking at a good number of hate crimes at minimum beginning in November.
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Sep 2, 2016 05:51
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canepazzo posted:https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/771672562287935488 Yeah, but it can't break through the delusion that the right wing has built up for itself. Fortunately, they are not the majority anymore.
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Sep 2, 2016 12:51
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean, the only thing Trump might care about more than rally size is the approval of people richer than him. A rich person with Serious Opinions recommended Bannon, even though he didn't have anything new or good to offer, and bam, Bannon got hired. They fear the loss of viewers and advertisers if they appeared to take sides. What they don't seem to care about is that they are already being labeled as evil liberal traitors because the right wingers have successfully indoctrinated their base into rejecting anything that does not support the "facts" they want to believe and that bending over backwards to make their insanity and open hatred seem legitimate is only making them even more rabid. They'd benefit far more from growing the balls to tell some actual truth, but they aren't brave enough to do such a thing and stick to their "truth is in the middle" and "both sides do it" narratives to play it safe. Even if it leads to the Republicans burning the country down around them and demanding their heads for not sufficiently bowing to their whims. When a group has gotten so crazy that Fox News isn't deluded enough, they aren't worth the effort.
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Sep 2, 2016 13:02
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gradenko_2000 posted:So the Trump campaign is basically what happens to every political subforum and Facebook group? Yes, but with even less filter and knowledge.
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Sep 2, 2016 15:19
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/thehill/status/771772555539648512 Fox News has been falling out of favor for a while now. They just aren't crazy enough for Republicans anymore and, yes, that says terrifying things about the Republicans and the country in general.
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Sep 2, 2016 19:36
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straight up brolic posted:The emails thing is seriously pathetic DemeaninDemon posted:It was pathetic as soon as the latest Ben Ghazi hearing ended. The sheer desperation to find something, anything to equate Trump to Clinton is baffling. How desperate can you get? I can see it with Republicans since they really want to distract from the fact that the Orange One is really just saying what they have for decades, but how does the media not owned by Rupert Murdoch or neo-Nazis (the ones that don't work for Trump already) get so terrified of the idea of bias that the have to reach this hard to make mountains out of every molehill and ignore the fascist rodeo clown's complete failure?
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Sep 2, 2016 21:38
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TheBigAristotle posted:This whole FBI dump is going to inspire the biggest clusterfuck Ben Garrison cartoon ever. I imagine that it'll involve mighty lord Trump-sama slaying the Hildabeast while accosted by the dreaded S J W trolls who fail to dent his powerful resolve.
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Sep 3, 2016 02:16
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Combed Thunderclap posted:"...because I know how to do it, and therefore I can stop them at their own game!!" That or "it won't effect me personally because I'm too smart!"
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Spatula City posted:the really threadbare logic and weak poo poo reasons for not voting Clinton are pretty telling. I mean, I respect the conservatives who just say honestly that they think Trump can be tricked into doing whatever they want him to do when he's president, while Clinton will play hardball with them. but for the people that hold onto the emails or her supposed ill health or one of the other non-issues, I feel as if they really don't understand at all why they feel the way they feel about the election, and have never really taken any time to reflect on their own positions. This. The whole Republican brand depends heavily on appealing straight to its voters' biases and emotions and suppressing their ability to think critically or dare accept information from other sources. When you question them on why they believe what they do, they almost never properly articulate it beyond repeating buzzwords since they don't really understand it themselves. That's not even getting into the denial of racism and history that the Republicans spew.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Speaking of, here's yet another article on how shameless NC Republicans are about preventing "democrats who just happen to be black" from voting: So long as they don't appear on television in white hood, burning a cross and say the worlds "I am doing this because I hate non-white people and think they are inferior to whiites" they won't suffer anything for it. Honestly, these days, even that may not be enough.
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Yinlock posted:That's what the whole SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIORS/WAR ON POLITICAL CORRECTNESS thing is about, things would be so much easier if they could cut out the middle man and just be openly racist/sexist/bigoted without consequence. Exactly. All the hand-wringing from establishment Republicans is because they know that after his complete lack of subtlety, their base won't wan to go back to tried and true dogwhistles and they can't possibly get elected if they have to admit it. All their efforts to make their bigotry more acceptable by labeling the opposition as oversensitive whiners is failing since Trump leaves no doubt whatsoever of what they want. Combined with their traditional old white people dying off, they're panicking that they will lose any chance of winning on a national scale and they can't afford to change without losing what they have now. Geostomp fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Sep 3, 2016 |
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Yinlock posted:The explanation is as simple as it is inexcusable: decades of indoctrination by the right fear-machine. The overall feeling of "Clinton is a shady liar" comes from a lot of hard work and constant baseless accusations, and the right has been presenting facts and feelings as the same thing, because it's one way to get around the mental paradox of conflicting beliefs. Combine that with the human brain's extreme reluctance to admit it's wrong(especially with the dumb/self-absorbed) and you've got a nearly invincible bullshit wall. Same as every other right wing position. What happens isn't as important as how it feels to you personally. Manipulation is ignored because that would require you to admit being wrong.
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Lightning Knight posted:To paraphrase Bioshock, everyone came to Rapture looking to become a captain of industry. They seem to have forgotten somebody has to clean the toilets. Basically, yeah. We punish people who do vital work with low wages for daring to not rise to whatever is considered proper at the moment.
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Eifert Posting posted:We're visiting my Korean wife's Brazilian friends and she's 'splaining to our hosts that Trump exists because American whites have an inferiority complex from Asians being the wealthiest demographic in America... Sounds about right until the Asian focus. The traditional white America Inferority Complex extends to all other races, including the ones that were eventually folded into the generic "white" label less than a century ago.
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Sep 4, 2016 00:11
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AMorePerfctGoonion posted:White rage on the surface and white fear behind it; they have a far too overactive amygdala. The authoritarian personality thread went more into this. Similarly, Trump voters are significantly more motivated by a fear of Clinton winning than Clinton voters are motivated by a fear of Trump despite what the media would have you believe. One reason I think illegal immigrants have become the target for so much hatred is that disenfranchised, uneducated whites fear being at the bottom of the social ladder, and if illegal immigrants are granted amnesty they will have no-one to look down on. These people want America to build a wall around itself, even on the Atlantic coast. They are driven by fear. Conservative media more than proves how big fear is as a motivator to the traditional, fearful white conservative voter, yes. Trump's entire personality and history is ignored by his support because he promises them safety from the Other. Thankfully, the demographics have finally changed enough that this isn't a winning strategy despite how much the media likes to pretend it is.
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:a) the media isn't actually as liberal as people pretend it is This election, if nothing else has convinced me that our media needs to be uprooted and rebuilt.
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Eifert Posting posted:Reminder that this is exactly, word for goddamned word, what happened to the actual Jesus. The irony completely escapes today's evangelicals.
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Dexo posted:If they don't keep the senate, hell even if they do it would be hard as poo poo to justify holding on to a justice for 2 years. I think we all know that the Republicans take great pride in not doing their jobs when a Democrat is in charge. Two years won't be too big of a stretch.
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Sep 4, 2016 18:50
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Epic High Five posted:That's weird, Reuters/Ipsos changes its models to assuming that minority turnout is massively reduced and white turnout reaches record levels, and suddenly Trump is picking up traditionally whiter states he didn't have before! Is it just crappy polling to drum up horse race attention or do they really think the opposite of reality will happen here?
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Sep 5, 2016 03:20
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Lightning Knight posted:I'm not surprised. I can't say I'm too broken up for the ones that willingly become hate Luton dupes to keep said elite in power even at their own expense.
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deadkiller615 posted:Wow Giuliani gets WRECKED in this Politico article http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/rudy-giuliani-donald-trump-2016-214207 More proof that Trump is nothing new and Rudy was always a bastard who happened to get a lucky break for fleeting fame. Defenestration posted:While we discuss automation, LIU has locked out its faculty. On labor day. Sounds like an 80's villain come to life.
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AMorePerfctGoonion posted:Trump isn't an enigmatic or complex figure in any sense. He is such a textbook narcissist that future psychology students will probably be studying this election. Narcissists actually possess very fragile egos which is why they seek constant approval and praise even to the point of becoming pathological liars to others but mostly to themselves. Notice how Trump surrounds himself with sycophants rather than powerful allies? Narcissists are thus hypersensitive to any perceived criticism that threatens their delicate sense of self-worth and they usually respond in a disproportionate and nasty way to such criticisms by attacking their source. This is the classic narcissistic injury. Yup. The only thing new about Trump is that he reveals how vulnerable the country is to a narccisit because one of our parties has convinced their voters that's what strength is and that facts don't matter.
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Sir Tonk posted:
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Ron Jeremy posted:There will always be a labor market. We just pretend to ignore it because labor is segregated from the profit by separating them into business entities like Apple and Foxconn and by separating them by an ocean. Labor is still there and in huge numbers, capital has just skirted labor laws by going around to the third world. A quick Google refresher has me agree that this woman's death is probably a boon for humanity.
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Lastgirl posted:im more interested in the debate in 3 weeks I'm curious how hard the media will try to spin it as a match between equals if Trump fails to swallow his own microphone.
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Sep 6, 2016 13:31
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Lightning Knight posted:lmao gently caress the American media. They are getting desperate to spin this as a regular election while ignoring everything out of the ordinary until November.
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Sep 6, 2016 14:56
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Rhesus Pieces posted:https://twitter.com/theplumlinegs/status/773169386119131141 How low can the bar possibly get? Will it be considered a success if he fails to insult more than four ethnic groups or pick out the US on a map?
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nachos posted:Sure, if the media chooses to cover it as such. A day after trump goes full hitler we get a bunch of hit jobs on Clinton out of nowhere. Exactly. Trump's idiocy and his delusional fanbase have got them so scared that they'll validate whatever he says to keep from the dreaded bias.
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Shifty Pony posted:Aka the Gish Gallop. Throw 20 untrue statements and misrepresentations at your opponent and declare victory when they only manage to show that 19 are complete and utter bullshit. When it comes to Trump lies, the problem is picking just one before he spews enough more to make the chosen one irrelevant. Besides that, she's got to contend with the double standard of looking "shrill" if she harps on anything too hard as a woman while Trump's nonsense thrives off any attention, especially if he goes mean spirited.
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