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Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Internet Kraken posted:

What tangible benefit do we actually get out of continuing the embargo? Shouldn't the SMART BUSINESSMAN president be the one trying to increase trade anyways?

Continuing the embargo is a pure ":argh: gently caress THE COMMIES :argh:" thing at this point. Full and open relations with Cuba would be more effective and there's plenty of rich people who'd love to try and turn Cuba in to a giant resort (again).

PT6A posted:

No, it's not. If you look up Remembrance Day observances in Canada, which are essentially the exact same thing, you will see the crowd singing along with the anthem -- I checked, just to make sure I wasn't going crazy. You will not see them tapping their chests with the beat, or swaying around doing the pee-pee dance, because that's disrespectful and oafish, but the act of singing the anthem is not considered disrespectful. Or do you think that we simply don't afford the same level of honour to our fallen soldiers that America does?

Please post video of Canadian leaders singing along at memorial services that have an air of seriousness. Trump isn't some random white trash rear end in a top hat(s) in the crowd singing along. He's our retarded POTUS and lip-syncing while swaying and tapping his chest like a bored child is not the proper action to take there. "I'm not from the US" isn't an excuse. Anyone with an ounce of awareness can look and realize "hey nobody else is doing that stupid thing. They're all solemn and serious, not acting like a child."

His stupid poo poo shouldn't be excused or normalized, even if it is nothing compared to his Russia poo poo.

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Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

We need an "it's happening" gif with ron paul's head replaced with Sessions's head wearing his klan hood.

If by some miracle Trump's administration goes down, Sessions needs to be executed immediately and publicly like we should've done to Confederate leadership the last time.

EngineerJoe posted:

You guys called it:



I can't even be happy about being right on this because it just makes me sad these idiots are so easy to read and that there's millions of them.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Lightning Lord posted:

I actually wonder if we're going to see a kind of civil war in Oath Keeper/III% world, like which ones are actually antigov and which are just authoritarian. Like that dude who wanted to arm BLM

All of the right wing militias are authoritarian. They are 'anti-gov' in that they hate government when it's run by Democrats or otherwise isn't empowering white (christian) people at the expense of all others. There might be some members of groups like the Oathkeepers who are naive idiots that think the groups are truly anti-gov and that it'd stand up against a far right autocrat but they are a tiny minority and would fall in line with the rest of the group if push comes to shove.

RuanGacho posted:

As terrible as cops can be, I'm pretty sure theyre not going to be ok with active militia groups causing their jurisdictions to call 911 constantly because Ya'llQueda is wandering the streets.

Considering how many cops are in militia groups, you'd be wrong.

Lightning Lord posted:

Btw I am convinced that the antigov militias will fight each other, at least a bit. They aren't just going to become FBI 2.0 overnight.

That's because you're naive and think that the militias are anti-government when they aren't. Groups like the OKs and IIIers are 100% on board with far right ideals and a far right government.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Spacebump posted:

Lol looks like Corey Booker won't have a chance in the 2020 Dem primary. Wonder who Trump's challenger in the general will be.
https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/869040415118417920

Yet we'll still probably end up with some piece of poo poo like him or Cuomo (or Fuckerberg) because God truly hates us.


Doubtful. That isn't how polonium poisoning works.

Filthy Hans posted:

It's the latter, sadly

It's both. Booker's positive image is 100% pure "look how nice he was to other people that one time" stuff.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Apoplexy posted:

What he means is

In 2018, you can't loving get a Democratic House. You likely can't even get a Democratic Senate. What then

By the time we get both of those things, Trump's going to be a decaying corpse. While we SHOULD put his future body up on charges and harangue him like Pope Formosus, I dunno if Democrats have it in them to do it.

Democrats can absolutely take the House in 2018 but they need a wave like 2006 or so to have a shot at it. The Senate is a near impossibility and somehow flipping the Senate would mean sweeping almost every other race on state and federal levels.

TyrantWD posted:

He does know that every media outlet has already reported what his decision was? I thought he used to understand entertainment.

If he was even a fraction as smart as he wants people to think he is he'd announce that he's not pulling out of the accords and then go on to blast the FAKE BIASED MEDIA for spending days claiming otherwise.

theflyingorc posted:

You just have it backwards - the senate layout is terrible for Democrats in 2018, the house is only a problem due to gerrymandering.

The Senate's problem is partially due to (state level) Gerrymandering since it's allowed for several blue/purple states to remain in the GOP's grip and the GOP has wasted no time in gutting voting rights and ballot access for millions of Americans. Specifically those who by a large majority vote Democratic. That further helps them keep Senate seats, and in the case of WI/MI and possibly NC, win the state during presidential elections.

Rigel posted:

I'm nowhere near as concerned or freaked out about the Paris agreement as a lot of people will be. It was incredibly weak and almost worthless in the first place.

There is no enforcement mechanism or penalty, all you agree to do is set a target, measure CO2 levels, and if you fail, explain why. We could literally say "our unemployment is too high and we need more jobs, so we just didn't feel like it was worth meeting our targets. Sorry, maybe next time."

Except China and Europe could negotiate a stronger deal if the US leaves (since China's already going to pass its goals as will countries like India IIRC), and impose penalties on any country that doesn't take part. Like, say, the US.

Or we just sit still while the rest of the world moves forward.

Party Plane Jones posted:

https://twitter.com/ericgeller/status/869931492566114305

Seriously why does Booz Allen Hamilton still have a government contract

The same reason Lockheed-Martin does: it doesn't take much to bribe members of Congress via "donations" to ensure multi-billion dollar contracts head their way.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

RottenK posted:

Chris Cillizza should be guillotined.

He deserves worse. He should be forced to serve as Trump's press secretary, damned to defend the golden shower of stupidity.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

evilweasel posted:

nah, this is just good sense

which is why he won't actually let the lawyer handle it

Reporters just need to ask, and write about, why Trump's so scared and afraid to talk about it. He'd tweet all the details out of spite.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Apoplexy posted:

Which one is Eric again? The bad Star Trek Changeling or the exotic animal murderer. Or is that the same one and Junior is housing other awful traits?

Eric is the one who looks like a wealthy version of Butthead from Beavis & Butthead.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Dmitri-9 posted:

It'll be harder to get Sessions because the FBI said it was okay to leave off meetings with dignitaries in his capacity as Senator when he filled out his security clearance. Obviously they were campaign meetings but that probably gives him enough wiggle room on any charges.

That'd only let him wiggle out of charges related to not disclosing those meetings. If he did illegal things in said meetings that's another matter entirely.


Not that it matters. Sessions is not getting ousted by a GOP held House and Senate. None of them are. Unless the Dems have a majority in both chambers and the GOP has openly turned against Trump nothing is going to happen to any of them.

Furnaceface posted:

Didnt Clinton have a pretty good track record as a senator, especially in regards to womens rights and access to education?

Yes but HER EMAILS AND ALSO LOOK AT ALL THIS TERRIBLE poo poo THE GOP HAS SAID ABOUT THE CLINTONS FOR DECADES HOW CAN WE TRUST HER??!?!

Mustached Demon posted:

Only thing bad about that is you might hurt your hand.

Learn to throw a proper punch.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

I'm from Pittsburgh and I say kill them all wish it was required by law that anyone in this area who hates environmental regulations be forced to drink directly from the Ohio river down by the Gulf plant on Neville.

I hope these motherfuckers die slow and terrible deaths when their ends come, and it would still be better than they deserve.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Fojar38 posted:

As it stands, it doesn't really matter. The US is too large and powerful to ignore based on who controls the government. The world's sole superpower simply not being in the Paris agreement already defangs it in a noticeable way.

No it just gives China, India, and everyone else who stick together on it that much more leverage against the US. The US is the top country in the world but it sure as poo poo isn't the stronger party in negotiations when up against the rest of the developed/developing world.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Majorian posted:

What leverage does a non-binding agreement give them over the US?

Botany already covered it, but:

botany posted:

Those of you who can read German, this is a pretty good article on what exiting the Paris Accord actually means and why it's bad for the US:

http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/natur/donald-trump-und-welt-klimavertrag-das-bedeutet-der-ausstieg-der-usa-a-1150356.html

For those of you who can't read our gibberish, the short version is basically that the US won't be part of the talks surrounding the climate agreement anymore. Those talks are not about emission goals, since the signed states set those themselves anyway, but they are an international opportunity to make deals. Under the present agreement, countries are investing heavily into renewable energy infrastructure, which typically takes the form of, e.g., Germany investing billions into India's renewable energy sources. This means India gets top of the line technology on the cheap, while German engineering firms get lucrative contracts. Such agreements are also bargaining chips in negotiations on all sorts of deals from anti-terrorism cooperation to the refugee situation. The US is going to lose a lot of influence by no longer sitting at those tables. This will mean loss of contracts for US firms and loss of investment money, all in a country like the US, where more people work in renewable energy than in oil, gas and coal combined.

And then there's obviously the danger of global warming, which would hit certain US areas hard anyway, but this is really about a lot more than just climate change.

Basically, the US is going to be the odd man out for anything and everything that comes around as a result of the Paris agreement, which will be considerable.

Tibalt posted:

When I look at Pittsburgh, I say to myself "There is a city that loves Rust Belt capitalism. There is a city that hasn't embraced the future with a seething desperation, terrified of what it nearly became. There is a city that isn't psychologically and physically scarred by the betrayals of the Reagan years. Pittsburgh isn't a city that maniacally proclaims its bright future, to hide it's collective insecurity and existential dread. They don't watch Detroit carefully, as an omen of what almost was and could yet still be.

"Also they don't give two shits about sports there, it's really weird."

Also we're the city that hosted the Bassmaster tournament where a bunch of "world class" fisherman get skunked, or find out some/all of their vass were dead by the time weigh-in rolled around because the rivers here are still highly toxic and will likely kill you, slowly and painfully, if you were to eat the fish out of it or drink its water without lots of treatment.

Also IIRC, after that tournament a bunch of changes were made because, unsurprisingly, not as many people wanted to watch their favorite fishermen catch the occasional drum or carp. Or nothing at all over the course of several days. :v:

Josh Lyman posted:

When you turn 30, 4am becomes a pipe dream.

I'm in my 30s and I've been up until well past 4 when out at bars with people. It's not 30, it's you.

Phoix posted:

Your daily dose of what the gently caress are they doing.

https://twitter.com/thegarance/status/870420332565475328

No puppet, no puppet.


poo poo like this is why I'll never pay for the NYT.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Jealous Cow posted:

https://twitter.com/4HealthyCA/status/870432927271628800

So what happens when a few states do this and the insurance companies start freaking out?

Do we get federal legislation or DHS rules that try to stop states from doing this?

The GOP will absolutely and unquestioningly either block it outright on the Federal level, or pass bills with the explicit goal of sabotaging California to ensure it fails because they cannot afford to let it succeed, especially in a State as large as California.

Or they just sue and win 5-4 when it reaches the SCOTUS.


I refuse to believe this isn't a Chuck Tingle novel.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

business hammocks posted:

Is that better than his other polls or is he sliding?

It's lower.

And he's almost certainly going to lose unless Trump does something to cause a lot of depression among the GOP and rally the Democrats (dropping out of the Paris deal isn't it). The GOP still has plenty of time to focus on the race and even a moderate amount of "HOLY gently caress GET OUT AND VOTE TO STOP THESE DEM COMMIE TRAITORS" is going to get enough turnout to make a Dem win impossible.

It'd be good for Ossof to win because Dems need an actual victory of some kind but I think he's going to lose by 3-5 points when all is said and done.


Trump looks like the fat right wing Toronto mayor who smoked crack (Rob Ford?).


Let's go to Mueller for comment on this news:

https://i.imgur.com/gyIB8T1.gifv

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

business hammocks posted:

The noose tightens.

Literally, if we're lucky. It would be some wonderful irony for that to be the way he meets his end. :heritage:

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Gumbel2Gumbel posted:

Yeah because the alt-right is going to support someone who is invading a nation of blond haired blue eyed people

Sweden is godless commie socialists and the white supremacists love Putin. They'd be perfectly fine with it.

Hellblazer187 posted:

I just stuck my head in over at T_D for no reason. I'm wondering - did libs dickride this hard for Obama? Maybe during the election but months later? It's staggering.

Yes there were people who were full blown gently caress YEAH OBAMA GONNA MAKE IT ALL AMAZING :obama: for months. All of those types I knew came around eventually but some took awhile to acknowledge that he was a center-left guy who wasn't going to shake up DC.

Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

Stay in power long enough to steal an even more ridiculous amount of money from the country than he already has, and do so by invoking nationalist sentiment via a strongman image?

Like, it's not about Russia. It's about Putin.

Putin doesn't want to steal money. He wasn't to be worshiped like Lenin and Stalin while making Russia in to the fearful superpower his KGB rear end was trained to believe in.

Confounding Factor posted:

I dunno everything at Arby's is pretty drat good. Their sliders rule.

I will curbstomp anyone who talks poo poo about their apple turnovers or curly fries. I used to get their apple turnovers all the time as a kid and they were fantastic.

Ego-bot posted:

I don't know that much about Charlie Baker, but he seems like a pragmatic dude. First he comes out against Trump's Muslim ban by giving his Dem AG his full support, then this. It's probably what a lot or Republican governors will have to do to survive 2018.

He's a republican in Massachusetts. He seems reasonable there for the same reason guys like Joe Manchin are what passes for Democrats in a state like West Virginia.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Yeah Russia can barely project power across their border.

On the other hand, they still have enough nukes to ensure the world ends several times over.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Paradoxish posted:

Was there any context to this at all to make it seem less over the top? All of the clips I've seen are just the statement, which is hilarious and comes across as "I support literally killing the poor."

There are a lot of well off and "I'm not poor" poor people who fully agree with her. A majority of GA-06 voters, for example.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Crain posted:


#2: If it does go to the SC I don't think the result, if they rule that blocking people is against the first amendment, will be limited to the Office of the President or elected officials in general. Which could mean that blocking people in online forums is unconstitutional. Basically it would state that: Yes, the first amendment guarantees you an audience wherever you want one. Or at least a venue.

Only if that forum is government run. You're going insanely over broad on what any such ruling would mean.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

PhazonLink posted:

Did they edit the pic to make what's-his-name look worse/like Donnie?

Time has never been kind to Steve buschemi. Doesn't make him any less cool for returning to his old fire station and helping after 9/11 though.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.
:five:

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Aves Maria! posted:

that's cool, but the current 20-35 age group isn't voting for the GOP and if they passed the ahca, it's likely the next generation that's coming of age wouldn't vote for them in the future, either. which would mean the gop gets hosed for a couple decades, at least.

If the GOP can spend a decade making Latino people'white' like they did for the Irish they will not have a demographics issue in your lifetime.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Pennsylvania just ended their public pension program for all state employees, judges, and county employees (teachers).

Or state legislature needs to be cleaned out entirely. Too many blood red rural districts ruin everything too.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.
If labour gets a majority coalition together it's pretty much a given they will go "lol bresit isn't happening anymore gently caress off" right?

That alone would probably piss off trump and the GOP because it's make Putin sad.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

From what I've heard no. It's basically an inevitability at this point because even if they tried to backtrack the EU won't even let them.

:rip: the U.K. Hope Scotland goes independent and joins the EU.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Rigel posted:

AJC poll of likely voters this morning (Atlanta's newspaper)

Ossoff 51 (+7)
Handel 44

Ossoff has a solid majority among young voters, Handel has a narrow lead on voters over 65. 13% of Republicans and 50% of independents are with Ossoff. Only 3% of brain-damaged democrats are with Handel.

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2017/06/09/ajc-poll-ossoff-opens-lead-over-handel-in-georgias-6th/

I want to believe.

I don't have faith in the GA-06 voters though. Prove me wrong you spiteful jerks.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

FizFashizzle posted:

Let me know when trump has a million bodies on his name.

Don't worry, when the AHCA Passes the Senate you'll hear about it.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Jealous Cow posted:

I think the more pertinent question is, "can trump force the committee to turn over transcripts of a closed session? And if so can that request be protected by executive privilege?"

Trump can't force a congressional committee to do jack poo poo unless he does it at gunpoint.

PhazonLink posted:

why did she choose a user pic that looks bad.

She's an eldrich abomination trying to pass itself off as human. Her smile/grin is literally trollface.jpg as well and it's eerie as hell.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

He is like number three for voting against the party line. He's still a republican but few republicans break with the party more than he does

Now look at how many of those votes actually mattered.

"This person crosses the line and votes with the other party often" is meaningless when it's not actually changing the outcome of anything. All it does it give them a false air of bipartisanship and potentially make their reelection campaigns easier (see also: mcmagic's favorite dem senator).

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Judges are way more independent than congressmen.

Unelected judges might be, but elected judges are another matter entirely and I wish direct elections for the judiciary were outlawed at every level.

Sinteres posted:

So my prediction that John McCain would do the right thing when push came to shove may be changing.

https://twitter.com/swin24/status/874437612135739393

:lol:

John McCain is truly the embodiment of American Exceptionalism. The son of greater men which allowed him to (repeatedly) fail upwards in life when a normal person would've crashed and burned. He and Trump are kindred spirits.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

DaveWoo posted:

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/874451593017544704

"What's his process?" Hmm, yes, truly a compelling question :thunk:

At best she's doing the same validation poo poo that Jill Stein does for anti-vaxxers and at worst she's giving a huge platform for Jones to spread his insane bullshit even further.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Spiritus Nox posted:

They'll start playing loud.

You mean like they did in NC, WI, MI, and several other states for the last several years?

Chilichimp posted:

I have one request for my birthday. Please loving fire Jeff Session when he refuses to end his recusal and terminate Robert Mueller. Then fire Rod Rosenstein and then fire Dana Buente when neither of them agree to fire Robert Mueller.

Considering how quickly Dana Buente stepped up to defend the first Muslim Ban I believe he'd be willing to fire Mueller.


Isn't DC a one party consent when it comes to recording people? I'm sure a news outlet could have one of their staff sneak a recording with their phone or w/e if they felt the need.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

skeleton warrior posted:

I'm jealous of all the threads you don't post in.

As a long-time resident of VA- "party bosses"? Like NJ's? The gently caress are you smoking?

Also, wow, the Lt. Governor who campaigned against AHCA and called Trump a "narcissistic maniac" beat the former Congressman who campaigned against AHCA and said VA should be "a firewall" against Trump, truly the party has fallen and abandoned The Way

The only thing that rivals glowfish's geographical expertise is mcmagic's knowledge about other states' politics.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

:eyepop:

cult member at airport posted:

And this is why I scoff at Bernie supporters who chastise the Dems for not having more open primaries.

Open primaries are pure stupidity. The entire point of a primary is that a party is picking who it wants as its nominee in an election. If you want a say in that party's decision then you need to join the party and if you don't like it that's too drat bad.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Kaboobi posted:

I work in health care and we have crazy laws that require us to put any phones and hard drives we used through a giant shredder, it's just a thing you do.

I've worked at places that do similar things. If anything, using a hammer to smash a phone and SD card isn't nearly thorough enough. :colbert:

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Boon posted:

Planning for a 9/11 type event is kind of untenable

Gutting the government certainly helps increase the odds of such an attack being successful again if someone tries to pull one off. Especially considering the GOP loving up the government helped allow the first attack to be successful.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Easy Salmon Recipe posted:

*Comes running into the thread, out of breath*

Guys! GUYS! I found something dumber than the Flat Earth stuff!



No need to thank me, just doing my job..

To be fair, if that happened I think my head would explode since it'd mean the same congress that removed Trump,from office just confirmed him to come back as VP.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

axeil posted:

What the fuuuuuuck.

The bomber ( I won't use his name as that brings remembrance to a disgusting traitor and mass murderer) all but confessed. He was proud of it, he bragged about it.

This country is so hosed.

I remember there was a John Doe thing where people were insistent that there was a 2nd person involved and that said person was a darker skinned/middle eastern person.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Gumbel2Gumbel posted:

Mike Pence is going down with this ship

Even if Trump goes down (still seems unlikely) the odds of Pence going down with him is near zero. There needs to be some serious evidence of him colluding with Russia or assisting in the obstruction and I suspect that Pence has kept his distance on all that stuff as much as possible. I can't imagine he's involved in the obstruction stuff at all and unless Flynn turns on him and has evidence that Pence always knew about his activities, Pence will be completely untouched (though he'll probably get buried in 2020 if he tries to run for reelection).

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

This is a 'moderate' Republican and someone people thought Obama might pick for Scalia's seat, isn't it?

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Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Koyaanisgoatse posted:

If Ossoff loses this thread should just get locked for a couple days

I think he'll lose but mainly because I lived in Atlanta for years and don't trust GA-06 voters to do the right thing.

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