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MrYenko posted:The what? I think that's the vw platform. https://electrek.co/2018/12/14/vw-electric-hatchback-spotted-testing/
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drgitlin posted:I haven’t heard anything of the sort and VW told me it was still on track for 2020 a few weeks ago. Cool, thanks. Good to have it direct from them.
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drgitlin posted:I haven’t heard anything of the sort and VW told me it was still on track for 2020 a few weeks ago. So I've seen on another board that the ID ( I think they're calling the hatchback "ID 3") isn't coming to the US, but the cross over and the bus (Crozz/Microbus) are coming for sale in the US. Did VW actually say the hatchback was coming, or just that 'the platform' is coming? Not getting the hatch would be really disappointing. :\
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Nostalgic Cashew posted:So I've seen on another board that the ID ( I think they're calling the hatchback "ID 3") isn't coming to the US, but the cross over and the bus (Crozz/Microbus) are coming for sale in the US. Did VW actually say the hatchback was coming, or just that 'the platform' is coming? Not getting the hatch would be really disappointing. :\ quote:The VW chief talked about other upcoming vehicles, revealing that they will sell the entire ID range in the United States, except for the Hatch, “because of the size and because hatchbacks are a relatively small segment in the U.S.”, and that’s “why we decided to offer it only in Europe and China”. So, as I feared, no ID hatch in the US...
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LRADIKAL posted:All 2019 Nissan LEAF Models Explained: https://youtu.be/wrhd3nXuIFQ This is super useful. Are you cross shopping at all (Bolt/ Model 3) ?
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Mar 23, 2019 23:42
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dream9!bed!! posted:New Leafs are down to $11.6k in my area, tempted to get another one after my 2017 has gone 50k miles with no bars lost and zero service visits. It's no Tesla, but hey, new car for under $12k that's cheap as poo poo to operate. I too would also like to know where this is. Are these 40kwh 2018-2019 Leafs?
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Nfcknblvbl posted:I'm getting rid of my mid range model 3 and replacing it with a long range awd performance, it's a stealth performance model 3 at $5k less. Inventory-only model. I'm thinking of getting a standard Model 3, so I'm curious if there is some reason you're upgrading from a practical perspective. Range too short? Just want to go faster?
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I’d been looking to go electric for some time – 1.5 years in earnest – and thought I’d quickly post my process of getting ready/buying. TLDR: I got a Model 3, and am really liking it. My previous car was a 2011 Golf 2.5, which did pretty well on gas, ~28-30Mpg, and was nice enough. My needs: • I currently have a 40 mile daily commute for work (20 miles each way). • We take occasional trips to family 65 miles away, so 120 miles round trip. • I also drive to bike trails, so more range (150 miles or more) and an easy hitch receiver install would be preferred. • I’d also like the car to be a full ICE replacement for most anything. Doing a bunch of research I found three sets of options that optimize for cost/benefit: 1. Buy a 2017 leaf, or older i3, or other ev compliance for my work commute, and keep my current Golf for other trips. Pros/cons: Cheap! I can get a 30kwh 2017 leafs (the best value IMO in this option) in my area for $11-13K that would be fine for my commute and will probably be fine for most of my MTB rides, but if we get rid of the Golf we would have to accept we couldn’t do certain things at the same time (visit family – bike in the mountains) 2. Buy a used Bolt Pros/Cons: Relatively cheap, and with an excellent range. This was a strong option, as in my area we were getting used 2017 Bolts in the $26K region, with low(ish) miles. They went down as low as $23K with higher miles but those were out of warranty. I drove a (new) Bolt at a local dealer, and noted two of the issues I had read about, the seats are bad, and the brakes were mushy, otherwise it seemed fine. I could have lived with both if the price were right. I should also note that the dealership, which was the highest rated Chevy dealer nearby, was not in great shape. The sales guy was nice enough, but didn’t know anything- the car was at a low state of charge, to the point where it limited power during the test drive – and the dealership looked like nothing had be updated since the 1990s. In terms of counterparty risk, I think I give equal odds to Chevy and Tesla going forward. 3. Buy a Model 3 Pros/Cons: Spendy. Didn’t really want to spend that much on a car. But did a test drive, and it really was very impressive in terms of the driving feel and comfort over the other options and my current car. I did a bunch of ‘what if I wanted to go here?’ experiments with ‘A Better RoutePlanner’ and pretty much everything I could think of wanting to go to are possible & quite easily with the supercharger network, that would be much harder with other options (like the Bolt). I also didn’t see much of an advantage to the long-range versions of the model 3, as there’s only a small set of locations where their range is truly advantageous over a few minutes at a supercharger. Like even if you go from Seattle to San Francisco the difference is like 60 minutes. Like if your destination is 150 (rt) or 300 miles, the range is helpful, but otherwise not a huge advantage. 4. Other options. I didn’t really look to deeply at the other options(Kona, Niro) as for me they would be nearly as much or more than a Model 3, and not as good a fit. Also I would consider a newer Leaf (2018-19) if I could have gotten them down to like $22K, but alas Washington State’s tax break isn’t that good. Upshot – I got the Standard Range Plus in Black (+$750 paint option, oof!) delivered yesterday, and am really enjoying it so far. It is easily the fastest, best handling & fun car I’ve ever owned. In the end, the ability to have a complete replacement for my Golf in terms of capabilities was the thing that sealed the deal. The ‘luxury’ of the TM3 was actually a disadvantage, as I would have absolutely picked a version without the glass roof or vegan leather for spending a few thousand less, but now that I have those, I enjoy them both. Haven’t use the autopilot much – will need to gain confidence and understanding in it, but adaptive cruise control is gonna be super helpful I can already tell. I like the big screen, and don’t mind all the controls being on there too much. Though I wish the interior lights and the wipers did have buttons. I preferred the Tesla delivery model, over others – though I’ve only bought two other cars new (Audi and VW). It took almost no time, and was super easy. Charging: So I have a house with a garage and driveway, so I have a good charging location at home. Unfortunately, the electrical panel in my house was on the opposite side of the house, with no way to route wires internally. As I knew I was going to buy an electric car, I was able to pre-plan this part and I was able to find a good electrician. We worked a way to run conduit out of the house at the panel, up the side of the house into the attic, across the house in the attic, down the side of the house, into the ground and through the concrete into the garage wall. This was expensive and time consuming, and I had to do a lot of research to make sure I was having the right stuff installed, as while the electrician I hired was good, he didn’t know much about the specifics of EVSEs. We ended up installing a NEMA 14-50 plug, and (and two additional 20 amp circuits, as the garage was under-powered anyway) This, I think, will be the major blocker for most folks. Having to find a contractor, and get a thing done is pretty tough if possible at all. 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Aino Minako posted:Great post! Press the button on the left stalk to make the wipers wipe once, and it will also make the intermittent wiper UI appear on the screen. Then you can quickly turn on the wipers. It’s not perfect, but better than swiping or fiddling around for the big wiper button. Ah! this is useful. I thought the button was only for squirting/cleaning the windshield. Here's some pics too. Why not? The car after the first drive  My current charging set up in my garage. 
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Nfcknblvbl posted:
So I've noticed that this is pretty common, selling a standard/mid/long range to get a M3P. I've only had my standard range TM3 a few days but, like, it's really fast. Granted, I've only driven normal cars my whole life, but with the roll-on acceleration merging on an on-ramp, I could easily see myself going over a tiny rise and flying over a barrier, never to be found. Perhaps I'm just a wuss? Cause I can't imagine a car pulling twice as hard, except like on a track.
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A Strange Aeon posted:My wife and I are still debating what car to get hampered a bit by availability in our state and she's leaning towards a used 2016 eGolf for around 17k, while I'm thinking a new 2019 Bolt or eGolf for the tax credit and better specs. I test drove a bolt (2019) a few weeks ago, and did notice the seat issue. I mean I think I could live with it if I got a good deal, but it was tough for me to justify if I was buying new. I think you're right to be thinking about obsolescence in evs. One of the things that was holding me back from getting a eGolf or a 2017 leaf is that the resale will continue to plummet (I think) for evs at sub 200 mile range or so. The cars are still cool, but are def a niche use case, but as you get closer to 200 mile range, I think they become a full ice replacement and thus I think they retain more value. I don't think there will be a huge change in technology in the next 3-5 years, I think there will be more options, and the average range will go up and price per kwh will slowly decrease. There are a lot of 2017 Bolts coming off lease now, you might consider them as a new one might not justify the new premium.
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Ripoff posted:I rented a Model 3 via Turo today for shits n giggles. With my “Certified Manlet” stature at 5’8”, I actually found that the dash vents blew over my head, which leads me to believe that it was a car designed with people 6 feet tall in mind. Did you adjust them all the way down? I'm 5'10" and pretty sure they can go lower than me. They adjust electronically.
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I don't fully understand these analyses, as they don't seem to be 'all in' measures of CO2 or other greenhouse gases, they only look at the last production prior to use in the car, but it be great to understand the full scope. For example it seems that refining and transporting a gallon of gas takes more electricity (8kwh) than that gallon would transport many vehicles vs. how many miles that electricity alone would produce in an EV. Assuming the power is generated similarly in both cases, it would seem there is a clear case? https://www.autoblog.com/2011/10/14/how-gas-cars-use-more-electricity-to-go-100-miles-than-evs-do/
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moosemanmoo posted:I put down a (refundable) deposit for one back in April and got to see a "final production" model at one of their promo events in July. The fit and finish is nicer than the premium Model 3 interior— for example, vegan soft-touch sportswear-like material covers the dashboard rather than hard-rear end plastic. Ventilated seats are available with the tan leather option. Adaptive headlights are standard. Would love to hear more when you get yours. Also in seattle and got a model 3 as I didn't want to wait for this or the VW ID to get here.
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So I got my model 3 SR+ almost 2 months ago, and have about 2300 miles on it now, so I thought I’d post. The Good: This is my first electric, and it has been a very easy transition. I have a 40 mile daily commute, and the range has been fine. We have one space where we can park and charge, and my partner usually parks there to ease getting kids in to her car. To charge I have to swap out the cars, which hasn’t been too big of an issue. Been charging 2-3 times a week to ~85 % with the supplied travel charger, and that has been super easy. 50KWh has been enough for everything, and I think the bigger battery wouldn’t be worth it for me - though were just starting winter. The app. I’m already spoiled with the capabilities. Some are more important as I have to me a bit more cognizant of the state of charge, but overall the ability to just have a phone as a key makes the key fob on my Mazda 5 seem super primitive. My kids like it. Fart mode, panoramic roof, games, etc. Though not a huge priority for me, I do enjoy the driving dynamics and acceleration. Haven’t had the v10 update long, but if it allows Spotify with a wifi access point, that’s a big win for me. The neutral: Road noise is about the same as my old 2011 Golf, though it doesn’t have nearly as many odd squeaks and rattles. Haven’t had any odd wind noise issues that have been reported. The center console does get fingerprinty, but I’m not bothered. I didn’t plan on using Autopilot much, and I don’t. What has been handy is using it when I need to adjust something in the cabin/music. Still does some things I wouldn’t, so I don’t use it except on certain highways. My wife is scared to drive it. Too much of a step change in driving experience, which I can understand. Putting on a bike hitch will be a pain. I got a quote on installing a hitch and it was $550 just for installation. I’ll likely be doing it myself. The bad: One curb check while parking will scrape the paint off the wheels. Not a huge deal for me, but annoying. Also I’m having a hard time estimating the width of the car when I parallel park, also annoying. I wish there was an ‘eco mode’ for the climate control. It seems a bit too agressive when using AC, when I’d be fine just using the outside air. Also if they had a mode where I could just provide climate for the driver to save energy would be great. It seems that the SR+ doesn’t get all the autopilot features (ex FSD), which I didn’t quite understand when I got the car, though I had done a lot of research and specifically test drove a SR+. I guess some features (like auto lane change, and auto park) are only on higher/previous models. I actually don’t care that much about not having the features, but the confusion was annoying. Rear visibility is bad. The passenger side mirror is too convex for my eyes. Might have an issue with a window sensor, which means I currently have to hold the switch up to close it. Overall: Still very happy with the car. I actually preferred the tesla delivery experience to the dealer, though I’ll need to evaluate how they handle the window sensor issue. Question for the other Model 3 owners. How do you wash your car? I’m extremely lazy about this, and would like to take this to my local touchy Brown Bear car wash, but the manual says not to so I’m not sure what to do. The other model 3 forums have split opinion, from ‘do whatever’ to ‘use only artisanal diapers’.
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I have to say the mach e looks pretty good. Like it's the first Ford I'd consider purchasing in decades. Some nice considerations that improve on the model 3, decent battery, nice interior. And it immediately struck me that there are no Ford logos. I hate to admit it but that lack of the logo improved my subconscious appraisal of the car quite a lot. I think they're gonna sell a lot of they can roll it out without too many issues.
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Wow. Cybertruck. What did I just watch? Like it's gonna be cheap, but still, I don't think it's gonna appeal to middle america. But what do I know, I could still see it being popular.
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pun pundit posted:Also, as electric vehicle market share inreases, electricity required to refine gasoline decreases. If the 8 kWh figure for one gallon (drilling, transporting, and refining) holds, electricity use will go down as people swap to electric cars. It'll move from centralised to distributed use, though, so the grid could probably do with some changes. Is there a good source on this? I'd like to understand the efficiency of refining.
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pun pundit posted:I did some research, but it's really hard to collate the data. The 8kWh/gallon value seems to be an "accepted industry average" but the work to put it together is beyond a hobbyist statistician. Yeah, I did research a while ago, and just did some now, and it seems this exact number is pretty low-confidence. Not that it isn't true, or even higher, but that there's limited data released by the refineries, and I guess DOE doesn't do this anymore? Before I had heard 90% efficiency, but it seems like the DOE number is ~80%, which seems more realistic. Honestly though, I feel like the emission numbers seem much more 'all -in' for ev's and their batteries and their charging power than ICE cars, which seem to have gaps all sorts of 'transport, refining, and sourcing' metrics which would seem to potentially hide many inefficiencies.
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wolrah posted:Is it safe? Probably not. 322 seems reasonable in terms of energy. And abrp has been very accurate for me to date provided I was honest with the inputs. If you put in like 125% reference speed and like 85 mph top speed it should give accurate numbers.
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Elviscat posted:I'm glad they're keeping these around, it's such a great idea, especially when the infrastructure is already built. I have fond memories of riding the electric buses through the bus tunnels as a kid. Your situation was very similar to mine, and I was strongly considering 3 options based on max value per $: 1. 30kWh leaf (exactly like you) 2. Used 2017 -18 Bolt 3. Model 3 SR+ In my situation, I have a charger at home, but with the situation as it is, I probably wouldn't be able to charge every night. If that might ever be an issue, you might consider a longer ranged option. Also 40 miles is probably on the edge of what you can charge daily with a level 1 charger, so I would say you need level 2. I ended up driving the bolt and the model 3. Both were nice. What really helped me though, was doing lots of what if's on A Better Route Planner at different temperatures/destinations to really get a good feel of the range reality. In the end I went with the Model 3 SR+, but could have easily gone with the leaf if I wanted to keep my outlay lower. You also might try a used Bolt - in the Seattle area, (where I was looking) you could find Bolts ~$20-23K.
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Elviscat posted:New charger display. Nice, cool that you were able to use the CHAdeMO plugs for a while. I didn't think there were that many, but seem to be quite a few in the Seattle area on Plugshare.
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Looks like you can get a tax credit for home charger cost, retroactively:quote:
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CannonFodder posted:So what this means is I can get a credit for the charger box and for the installation up to $1000? Does it matter if the installation was a lot more expensive because the electricians put in a new breaker panel? I clicked the link to the legislation, and unfortunately it's one of those things that just says something like "replace 2017 with 2020 on the previous document" so for both your question, and what exactly defines an "electric motorcycle/vehicle" you'll have to look at the previous bill. I'm sure someone will report on it soon. I'd like to assume that quote:Due to an amendment made to the year-end spending bill, taxpayers will once again qualify for a 30% rebate (up to $1,000) on costs associated with the installation of an EV charging station, a 10% credit (up to $2,500) on 2- or 3-wheeled electric vehicles such as electric motorcycles, and a $4,000 credit for the purchase of a new fuel-cell vehicle. means that if I spent like $2300 on running an electrical line to my garage for a 14-50 for my car I'd get a tax credit of $690. But I'm not sure.
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So, in reading the previous law : https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:26%20section:30C%20edition:prelim) It looks like you can use this for not just electrical 'fuel' infrastructure, but for LNG and other CH3, bio-diesel and blends, and kerosene(?). I guess that's because it's the difference between 'Alternative Fuel" and "Clean Fuel". Or maybe it all the same to the USG. As for the definition of what is covered, it seems the key term is this "Qualified alternative fuel vehicle refueling property" Which has a long definition (of course) but the key part is this: quote:
and quote:(B) for the recharging of motor vehicles propelled by from here: http://www.givnerkaye.com/internal-revenue-code-section-179a/ So, I am not a tax lawyer, but it would seem that additonal wire conduit and panels would seem to be covered.
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Hexigrammus posted:This is one of the things giving me heartburn about buying a new EV - we're trading electronic complexity for mechanical complexity. Side mirrors and fenders are already expensive enough to replace without adding in the electronics. I might save a shitload of money on oil changes but how much of a pain in the arse are those cameras going to be after ten years of water infiltration? Yeah, this Lexus implementation seems particularly bad, you still have the mirror stalk, which I assume has motors to move in and out, plus the lights, still has a pretty significant aerodynamic impact, and can still get broken off. The honda implementation, or maybe a multiple camera merged image would seem to have fewer failure modes.
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So, in going with the thread title, with one of the latest releases of the Tesla app, there is an 'Upgrades' button, and you can download the *performance dlc* for your car. I haven't bought the FSD, but I have to say I'm a little tempted with the most recent visualizations. 
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Drowning In Terror posted:They didn't say average. They literally said "right now", as in what Tesla is currently capable of delivering. Looks like they hit 112,000. Not sure on production vs sales ratio in the quarter tho. Also check out this new Segway: https://electrek.co/2020/01/03/segway-unveils-24-mph-s-pod-hoverchair/
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Elviscat posted:Trip Report: This is pretty cool, I assume this was Snoqualmie, and checked and was surprised that the Chademo coverage is actually pretty good along I-90 there. Lack of Chademo along route 2/Steven Pass was one of the reasons I didn't choose the Leaf.
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Westy543 posted:Uncamoed ID.4 spotted: Looks pretty nice. I'm still bitter were not getting the ID3 in the us tho.
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Triggerhappypilot posted:Yeah that's kind of par for the course for CUVs so i have a hard time faulting Tesla when the whole concept of a CUV with 3rd row seating is bad to begin with. Yeah, I have a Mazda5, and with the middle row seats set all the way back, that's about what it looks like. If you move them forward, you can get a workable amount of space for the back row. I can't tell fully from the Model Y photos, but it looks like the second row is pretty far back, so likely some space to spare. It's always going to be a trade off though. People here seem to be highly discounting the advantage of getting 3-4 kids carseats in a car though, it's a pretty big deal for us. Most cars have trouble getting any more than 2 car seats, very few can fit 3 abreast, in our Mazda, getting 1 or 2 seats in the third row, even for short trips is very handy, Also the 3 row list of cars is super limited without going minivan or giant SUV. The problem will likely be that fact that's is a bench, in the second row. You'll need to re-install seats in the second row to access the 3 row seats, due to the need to use the seatbelts to attach the seats.
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Ola posted:Tried all electric snowmobile today. Really cool! How loud is it in comparison to others?
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Bum the Sad posted:lol I r dumb, anyway it cost me $390. Don't forget, if you had that installed last year, you can get a 30% tax credit for it. If not I wouldn't be surprised if they do it again for TY2020. Takes the sting out of the cost.
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mobby_6kl posted:
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MomJeans420 posted:I think in the long term the companies that delayed their EV programs (like Toyota) will be proven right, but we'll see. I'm curious about your logic here.
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MomJeans420 posted:It remains to be seen if major investment in EVs is a good thing, since the EV market is mostly driven by subsidies or government (dis)incentives and makers are selling the cars at a loss to avoid penalties. Toyota already has low fleet CO2 emissions because of all their hybrids, so they've been able to wait it out and not invest billions on cars that aren't profitable. They're just now entering into a partnership with LG to make EV batteries, and I think in time that will prove to be the correct choice. CO2 targets may also get rolled back if something like another global recession occurs, which would also mean potentially wasted money on R&D. I'm no expert, but it seems like Toyota's fleet emissions are at best in the middle of the pack? https://www.epa.gov/automotive-trends/highlights-automotive-trends-report
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FilthyImp posted:It's kind of crazy how well you can do if you're trained in UE building and game design now. Just watched the this and this is pretty neat! The mind kinda boggles at the possibilities. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUnxzVOs3rk
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Popero posted:EV wagon crew. I'm excited for the VW, nervous about how brutal their ID3 issues have been, and am getting impatient generally. The XC40 Recharge isn't the car of my dreams, but it's close. I want one too. Or even an electric minivan, or an electric Mazda 5/MPV. Some content - I added an aftermarket hitch to my Model 3, and it was pretty difficult. The shop had quoted me $500 for the install, and I was like 'F that'. But in retrospect, if it was $300, that would have been worth it. It would have been easier with another pair of hands, but pulling the lamp modules out and putting the bumper cover or whatever that thing is called back on was a pain. On the plus side, I had a 2019 model with the hitch access panel, so I didn't have the cut away the undercarrige cover. The bike on the back doesn't effect the efficiency too much, I only really could tell the difference if I was at ~70MPH+. The parking proximity system does light up due to the bike or the hitch being back there, and gives the highest alert beep when backing up, but otherwise autopilot and other stuff seems unaffected.  
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:I have a weird question. I asked in the A/T Car Buying thread about this and more or less got told owning a Tesla is the stupidest decision ever. I kinda had this same decision last year, I went with the new SR+. I did the same with abrp and couldn't really find a value case for the mid or long range for me. But, I live in a temperate zone, and any long trips would be mostly on a highway with superchargers. If that's the case the difference in time is almost a wash between the models. Tho, if your main trip will be 150 miles each way the lr might be able to do it without a charge stop. If I lived in a cold climate, I'd prob get a longer range version tho. Another thing to keep in mind is the updates over time for the model 3. There's a spreadsheet on the Tesla forums that lists all the small (and big) changes for the car over the production run. A big one will be the computer version-hw3 is a big deal, and those earlier models might not have it. Also the SR+ doesn't have the premium interior.
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