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feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

OwlFancier posted:

Essentially Milliband (I think) introduced one man one vote for leadership elections because the labour right who controlled the party mistakenly believed this would return right wing candidates rather than union backed center left candidates.

This may have been true, if not for the fact a tiny handful of old left MPs nominated each other for the leadership election each year, and Corbyn came up for the 2016 election. The other three were a right trio of absolute centrist melts and the contrast between him and them was night and day. He won by an absolute landslide because it turns out the labour membership is full of actual lefties.

His leadership caused the party membership to surge to 500 thousand as more people became enthused by the prospect of an actually left wing politician. Momentum came into being as essentially an outside-the-party-but-intersecting-with-it organization, to push a left, pro corbyn effort into all areas of the party apparatus. Over the last three years they've worked to ensure left wing, pro corbyn candidates get into all the important places via the stalinist nazi method of "putting them up for election and telling people it'd be a good idea to vote for them"

Really the labour party has just elected itself into becoming more left wing, the 2017 election saw a lot of the right quit and some good lefties get in, and some from the 2015 crop were good too. Turns out when you give a democratic socialist party the power to vote its own leadership in, it picks decent sorts?

If you want a US comparison, imagine if the DNC was freely selected by the membership, and also the democrats were an actual party of labour and always had been save for a weird blip in the 90's.

Iirc Momentum was originally set up to keep some sort of pressure on Labour to be leftist once Jeremy inevitably lost the leadership election to a Blairite. It's members weren't even required to be Labour members at first because half of us were expected to be TUSC or Greens or w/e.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2019 17:43

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# ¿ May 11, 2024 18:36

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

CoolCab posted:

we have a control for abbot - it wasn't OMOV but she still got 7% in 2010

Not like anything happened in wider British politics between 2010 and 2015 of course :shobon:

# ¿ Dec 2, 2019 22:11

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Soooo my wife just got a job at the University of East London, Dockland campus. Which means I'm going to be looking for a job and we're going to be moving to that sort of area (I'm a senior level embedded Linux snuggler, so not too worried about finding something, hopefully) Don't we have a goon that lives there? what's the low down? :shobon:

# ¿ Dec 4, 2019 18:48

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Deketh posted:

Absolutely love the little classical smug face

Named after an absolute tit of an American goon in the classical history A/T thread a few years back who thought we should totally go back to the classical system of government because he would absolutely be a philosopher-king and not Random Slave #113.

# ¿ Dec 4, 2019 23:13

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Braggart posted:

No, no no! I was saying purple of colour! Because purple is a colour

The Colour Purple is depressing as gently caress though

# ¿ Dec 6, 2019 20:42

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Failed Imagineer posted:

I've just realised it's not that his glasses are wonky, but that the prescription for his right lens must be insanely strong

There's a reason the Graun caricatures him the way it does

# ¿ Dec 6, 2019 23:19

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

ItohRespectArmy posted:

i was born in 1997, OP

I was doing finals at uni around then :corsair:

y'all far too young these days (but please save me from the Boomers and vote the Tories out kthxbye )

# ¿ Dec 7, 2019 11:26

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Maugrim posted:

I'll be playing Minecraft and following the election purely via this thread. If the exit poll looks bad I'll just go to bed

Pro strat. I'm going to have a bottle of champagne and a bottle of cheap bourbon for the exit polls. Either way. ..

# ¿ Dec 8, 2019 17:08

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

XMNN posted:

also I noticed John Mann has changed his Twitter account to @LordJohnMann

very much the same energy as the guy from my work who has PhD (Cantab) in his email signature

The oxon/cantab thing is supposed to mean 'yes it says I have a masters degree but it isn't actually a real one'. Literally lmao if anyone thinks putting it after their PhD makes them look good.

# ¿ Dec 8, 2019 19:14

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Julio Cruz posted:

holy poo poo she's 50

she and Seumas Milne are clearly the other side of the coin to all the Tories who look 30 when they're 16 and 50 when they're 30

Socialism keeps you looking young, it is known.

# ¿ Dec 10, 2019 00:52

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Azza Bamboo posted:

Are there any socialist songs that aren't superimposed onto the tune of other more famous songs or really crudely translated from Russian?

Bella ciao and A Las barricadas are both bangin' op. Though that last one is actually anarchist.

# ¿ Dec 11, 2019 20:18

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Doccykins posted:

Every time you see anyone under the age of 40 tomorrow ask them if they've voted yet I don't care if you're on a tube at 9.30pm fuckin do it

More like 50 now, comrade (I'm 42 :corsair:

)

# ¿ Dec 11, 2019 23:55

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

OwlFancier posted:

Aren't orthodox jews generally anti-zionist?

Like from a sort of immanentizing the eschaton kind of perspective?

Uhhh. You might want to check out how many orthodox Jews live in Israel. Like they are literally the only ones allowed to marry there.

# ¿ Dec 11, 2019 23:59

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

ThomasPaine posted:

This man is drunk on Tory hatred and gin

No stealing my schtick :toughguy:

# ¿ Dec 12, 2019 00:02

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Did a socialism. Not many people, mostly olds, but this is a Tory safe seat and this was right around the school run.

# ¿ Dec 12, 2019 10:26

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Ikwaylx posted:

Maybe it's just the field of microbiology and biochemistry but a lot of researchers in my field constantly retweet labour campaign material. On the other hand I know people from when I was in Manchester who are computer scientists and ~radical centrists~ so I guess it just depends like that.

A lot of computer nerds are Lib Dem as gently caress, yeah .

# ¿ Dec 12, 2019 10:31

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Comrade Fakename posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5Xat_Mi78M

I was in the Momentum office when Steve Coogan dropped in to film this, and I got to meet him. He seemed like a very nice guy, though weirdly a bit nervous.

Weirdly? We all are mate, he's only human

# ¿ Dec 12, 2019 19:27

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Bundy posted:

Anyone got any stomach butterfly killer?

It's called rum.

# ¿ Dec 12, 2019 22:28

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Brony Car posted:

We can only hope.

Thats the UKIP colour :ohdear:

# ¿ Dec 12, 2019 22:36

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

gently caress.

Right I'm going to watch telly.

# ¿ Dec 12, 2019 23:02

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Pistol_Pete posted:

Guess I'd better start building my Brexit stockpile up again then.

The one and only good thing about this is the ERG won't be able to muscle us into No Deal.

# ¿ Dec 12, 2019 23:22

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Thom12255 posted:

Hasn't the UK never had a popular revolution?

Mate we executed our king and became a republic before it was cool.

# ¿ Dec 13, 2019 00:55

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Sakurazuka posted:

Same, now I have to work for 9 hours

I am so glad I took today off work.

# ¿ Dec 13, 2019 09:38

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Saith posted:

And again we vote labour and get the tories

With friends like the english who needs enemies eh?

I thought Wales was in itself a fan of Brexit.

# ¿ Dec 13, 2019 13:15

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

His Divine Shadow posted:

Don't forget the urban/rural divide, which as a result of globalization has deepened considerably. In my experience, there are rural people with leftist ideals and they don't feel the modern left represents them. It's travel, city, urban that are the big identifiers for leftism (according to them).

What appeal does that hold to a person who lives in a small village or town and who doesn't share or want that? Whose worries are, what future does my tow or village have? Will my children have a future here? Why must everything shut down and close? Will there be jobs and a life here in the future? I've had this conversation with people, they would describe themselves as leftist, but feel the parties pushing leftist policies are all centered around the cities and are actively hostile towards them. We have PR so they usually vote some center party or our new labour-ish party (SDP), we have a left wing party but they feel they cannot vote for them, it's a party for Helsinki and not them. That's a gulf that needs to be overcome. But I am skeptical it will.

Traditionally, over here that's the Lib Dem base.

# ¿ Dec 13, 2019 15:17

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

I'm not sure that national socialism is the final solution to this problem, OP.

# ¿ Dec 13, 2019 15:27

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Private Speech posted:

Actually residents rather than citizens, even.

Um. For some value of 'resident'. My wife has been on an FLR (M) visa in the UK for the last 4 years and got to pay a �250 'NHS fee' at her last visa renewal. It's gone up since.

# ¿ Dec 14, 2019 12:21

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Azza Bamboo posted:

It should do a vote, branding it as a referendum even though it has no legal binding. Let's say independence wins with an overwhelming majority

Catalonia just tried this.

# ¿ Dec 14, 2019 12:29

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Jedit posted:

Catalonia is in different circumstances.

Not fundamentally. A vote without legal authority from the State (and that's Westminster not Holyrood) will not be seen as legitimate, and quite rightly so. I'm all for Scottish independence at this point but it's only going to happen legally.

# ¿ Dec 14, 2019 13:16

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

you've probably already read this but here's more

Note the ages of pretty much everyone they interviewed.

# ¿ Dec 14, 2019 13:19

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

Guava, can you take me out of the CLP list in the OP please going forward? Ta

RIP

# ¿ Dec 14, 2019 15:23

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Private Speech posted:

Oh yeah that particular bit of Tory cuntery is pretty horrid.

Still better than paying for a private insurance though, and IIRC people with ILR/without a visa don't have to pay.

Right. ILR takes 5 years actual residence and 2000 quid on top of any previous fees. Anyone who is resident in this country via ILR has more than paid for their 'free' NHS.

# ¿ Dec 14, 2019 15:31

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

Nobody has ever tried Bennism before.

What fundamental problems are we looking at here precisely?

e: Eh, don�t bother.

I suggest you gently caress off, complete newcomer to this thread none of us have seen before who is obviously trolling. We've got enough poo poo to deal with just at the minute.

# ¿ Dec 14, 2019 18:03

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Bacon Terrorist posted:

Supposedly Boris's first priorities are to redraw constituency boundaries to 600 and abolish the fixed term parliament act (rather than you know, getting Brexit done) how hosed does that leave us?

Tbh I am fine with axing the FTPA. It was always stupid as gently caress.

# ¿ Dec 15, 2019 14:54

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

We weren't crushed by 'running on the left', we were crushed by Brexit, pure and simple. The economics weren't the problem.

# ¿ Dec 16, 2019 10:19

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Rakosi posted:

Pushing a primarily socialist agenda onto a public that clearly doesn't want it

Citation needed. It wasn't the economic agenda that people were bitching about on the doorstep, it was a) Brexit and b) Corbyn personally.

# ¿ Dec 16, 2019 10:48

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

OwlFancier posted:

Seeing a man utterly baffled by the concept of a cornish pasty while also calling it one is a trip.

Like do you not have corned beef in the US?

Setting aside your insane pasty ideas, they don't, no. They have something called corned beef but it's not the same thing.

# ¿ Dec 20, 2019 22:19

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

GreyjoyBastard posted:

It's possible that I've just spent too much time in places with large Polish and Czech populations but I'm used to kolaches and the like being fairly readily available.

also pot pies are one of the classic unhealthy foods

Isnt that the sort of pie that the pastry is topping only? So not 'in'.

# ¿ Dec 21, 2019 12:46

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

OwlFancier posted:

What shithole agency paints their landrovers the colour and texture of a rusty battleship?

Also a fan of the lovely bodykit on the bottom lol.

a (para)military one?

# ¿ Dec 23, 2019 15:14

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# ¿ May 11, 2024 18:36

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

ThomasPaine posted:

In London it's apparently impossible to find a proper big supermarket and the little metro places you go get are always poo poo and empty and all the staff are properly standoffish, it's bad and I wish some bats would gently caress off with it (ideally while I'm not there)

I'm moving to Barking next month :ohdear:

# ¿ Dec 24, 2019 18:13

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