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Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Strictly defined Generations are mostly marketing bullshit anyway, and the incredible FYGM attitude among Boomer-aged people is just a byproduct of growing up with pre-68/Vietnam/Watergate American entitlement more than anything.

+ also leaded petrol

# ¿ Feb 23, 2021 14:47

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# ¿ May 18, 2024 00:44

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

MillennialVulcan posted:

A planet with actual dragons colonized by Renn Faire geeks, I love this show.

I really liked that, it reminded me of the Culture. Weird little subcultures going off on their own to try and build their own societies feels like something that would happen fairly regularly in a post-scarcity society.

# ¿ Sep 24, 2021 12:16

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Gravitas Shortfall posted:

"It's the utopian future and here's a culture based around a renfair with incredibly stupid rules around succession which they take incredibly seriously, forcing the po-faced Starfleet to also take them seriously" is a solid setup for humour, you unbelievable dingus.

Also it's a nice flip to have a character who very explicitly doesn't want to have sex and everyone except the antagonists is totally cool with it. Not a single "hurrrr virgin" joke is made, the jokes are about the absurdity of the system, not the chief engineer's feelings.

Yeah that's how I felt about it too.

Also Billups rules

# ¿ Sep 24, 2021 18:19

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

The Bloop posted:

My brain said "the chief engineer"

Then I glanced at your username to see who was asking and my brain was all that must say Argyle

I love that guy!

# ¿ Sep 27, 2021 20:16

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

And so do I!

# ¿ Sep 27, 2021 20:16

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

The_Doctor posted:

Every time I see the 2 deck dip at the back of the saucer, I wonder about it.

Haha I commented on that to my partner the other day. Like, what's the advantage of being able to see each other across a courtyard that's in vacuum?

# ¿ Oct 9, 2021 13:11

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Martytoof posted:

I want to show this to a friend but they�re only casually acquainted with Star Trek. I�m a little worried that a non-insignificant portion of the humour is still a little too predicated on knowing what they�re making fun of � I find that my biggest laughs still happen when they send off some Trek trope, but I might try it as an experiment.

I�d love to read any reviews of LD from the perspective of someone for whom this is their first Trek, or the first Trek they�re actually consuming in earnest.

My partner didn't know a thing about Star Trek until we met, and even then her only experience of it over the years was a couple of TOS and TNG episodes we occasionally caught on broadcast TV. She liked TOS for its 60s chintziness (but that's about it), and she liked TNG because she likes optimism and people getting along (and also she really loves Data).

She adores Lower Decks, it's probably her favourite show at the moment and she was really bummed out when I told her this week's episode was the last one. She freely admits there's loads of stuff that goes over her head but it doesn't bother her, because she likes the characters and their interactions and she really likes its ethos. It makes her a bit misty eyed from time to time, even.

Basically she likes and respects what she's seen of TNG, but it's maybe a bit too stuffy for her. So LDS is perfect for her.

# ¿ Oct 15, 2021 12:20

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

That Cetacean Ops scene does suggest that the Cali class really is pretty big, I thought

# ¿ Oct 15, 2021 14:32

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

8one6 posted:

https://shop.startrek.com/collections/mugs/products/star-trek-lower-decks-mugato-land-white-mug

ahhh tempted by the t-shirt, haha

It's just the right level of nerdy. To a normal person it's just cute

# ¿ Oct 15, 2021 16:41

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

A.o.D. posted:

At one point Patrick Stewart was voted sexiest man alive while he was in TNG.

There are many who still think so

https://youtu.be/i_iIUP5vUg4

# ¿ Oct 18, 2021 09:09

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

I tried to watch the new disco and only got half way through the episode before I had to turn it off. Presumably at some point something other than jack-off lip quivery speeches happens, but I couldn't take any more.

This show feels like it's written by millionaires. I don't know how else to describe how phoney it feels to me

# ¿ Nov 19, 2021 07:16

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

HD DAD posted:

While I enjoyed the episode mostly, it still feels like Disco took the grimdark accusations of the first season a little too much to heart, and swung to the other extreme. It very consciously takes time to show people smiling and extolling positive virtues, and it all comes off a bit like a corporate training video. Or a motivational poster come to life. It also keeps giving me weird Captain Planet vibes for some reason.

It’s only gotten more pronounced since season two.

That's another very good way of putting it, agree completely

# ¿ Nov 19, 2021 18:54

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

MikeJF posted:

That said, if you really want cool.

Man, the Nebula is one of the coolest ships ever, this just confirms it

# ¿ Nov 23, 2021 13:04

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Josh Lyman posted:

I remember poring through the TNG technical manual when I was in middle school. Wish I still had a copy.

I lived and breathed that book.

Looks like you can still find it on ebay though! It's not gone forever

# ¿ Nov 23, 2021 14:51

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

J33uk posted:

I feel like the writing staff of Discovery lead lives that are just so very different from mine.

Your intuition is correct. I imagine they are much, much wealthier than you.

dr_rat posted:

... is your breakfast not lines of coke and a few bottles of energy drinks, are you not topping that off with a bag or so of shrooms for lunch, is your dinner not rum, coke, and depression?

like what mistakes did you even make in your life???

This makes them sound interesting, so I'm pretty sure it's not that

Hell, you just described Hunter S Thompson, certified Interesting Person

# ¿ Nov 25, 2021 12:59

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Spacebump posted:

I just started watching the new season over the weekend and haven't read impressions yet. Is it just me or is the new season of Discovery worse than the last one so far?

I couldn't even finish the first episode, it was that much worse

# ¿ Nov 30, 2021 22:16

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

blastron posted:

Episode 1 is great and I, this thread's only Discovery liker, am fully convinced that anyone who complains about how they gave up thirty minutes in watched the episode with the express purpose of giving up thirty minutes in and complaining about it.

I stopped watching it because I'm getting older and my time is only ever more precious (especially my leisure time) - when I realised that I was having a completely poo poo time watching it, I stopped watching it. I didn't stop so I'd have something to complain about on a dead gay comedy forum.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2021 10:17

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

hiddenriverninja posted:

i just want more lower decks

# ¿ Dec 7, 2021 19:07

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Brawnfire posted:

Same, Okudas sold me

+ John DeLancie, who is an irresistable treat whenever he's on screen

# ¿ Dec 23, 2021 23:49

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Looks like complete bollocks.

Probably still going to watch it though

...drat it

# ¿ Jan 21, 2022 19:46

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

nine-gear crow posted:

There is literally an episode of TOS that has a perfect peaceful utopia that is basically a physical heaven, and Kirk is like �This is actually a bad thing.� and then has to beat the poo poo out of or otherwise make everyone involved violently angry in order to �solve� the problem of paradise.

Spock fell in love and was legitimately happy for the first time in his miserable Vulcan life and Kirk was like �gently caress THAT poo poo� and beat him over the head with a lead pipe.

I hate this trope so much.

# ¿ Jan 26, 2022 11:38

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Neddy Seagoon posted:

Watched the first episode of the new season of Picard and... it's a mixed bag. A lot of the dialogue just felt like hamfisted exposition and catch-up directed square at the audience rather than natural dialogue, and some of it contradicted itself like Stargazer is a brand-new ship, first of its kind with the new Borg-developed enhancements... OH NO, now suddenly ALL the ships somehow have these enhancements too and the Queen is taking over them all! You'd think Starfleet would have developed network security since dealing with the Borg too but, oh well, all the ships must be in danger for Maximum Drama!.

It's definitely overall better than I thought it might go, but I'm still holding my breath to see how it plays out.

I think they said that she had access to their registry codes or something, so I think with all the other ships she was just doing a Kirk on 'em

# ¿ Mar 4, 2022 13:08

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

MikeJF posted:

I'm sad because the original concept for the Enterprise-E had more classical bussards, ILM suggested they encase it in cowling.

(For all eaves gets the credit for the E it was apparently a big collaborative thing between him and ILM with designs going back and forth, I suspect that's where a lot of the extra greebling in the design came from)

Oh man I really like this

# ¿ Mar 6, 2022 14:54

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

blastron posted:

Ah, thus drawing on Seven’s knowledge from delivering medical supplies as part of the Fenris Rangers to identify the correct, uh, stabilizer, for Picard. For his brain.

Unrelatedly, I looked up the episode on Memory Alpha and discovered another one of its extremely specific quirks: a stubborn insistence on referring to characters by their last names, regardless of whether or not they’re used on screen at all. (Did you know that Raffi’s last name is Musiker? I didn’t!) This is right up there with their policy of showing characters at their latest point in their personal timeline, which results in Spock’s being from JJTrek, Icheb’s being of his grisly murder, and Tom Paris’s being literally a cartoon.

Lmao

# ¿ Apr 19, 2022 11:04

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Wheeee posted:

Season one was the best one, mostly carried by Jason Isaacs and with the only actually good episode of the series thus far.

I agree. I decided about five minutes in that I was basically gonna treat it as imitation brand Star Trek-flavoured Science Fiction Show with Good CGI and that's what I got

# ¿ Apr 27, 2022 16:34

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Trying posted:

The ideal watch order of TNG is "on shuffle"

# ¿ May 12, 2022 12:08

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

I always thought that conch-pattern shirt Kirk's wearing was cool

# ¿ Jul 13, 2022 20:54

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Kling Fandango

# ¿ Aug 6, 2022 12:35

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Professor Beetus posted:

AND it's got the First Contact uniforms (ie the best uniforms of the 24th century shows).

It's true!

# ¿ Aug 6, 2022 23:44

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Jerusalem posted:

I can't believe how badly Captain Janeway hosed up negotiations with the Pakleds, she made a complete fool of herself!

Also, the end of that episode, crank-calling loving Armus of all beings, Jesus Christ

Good, gently caress him, he inflicted many sleepless nights upon me when I was a child :mad:

Also he killed Tasha I guess

# ¿ Aug 10, 2022 22:23

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

A.o.D. posted:

Don't most European nations have compulsory military/civil service? Lots of people have seen real bullets, and they don't have to live in a festering warzone to have done so.

No, they don't.

# ¿ Sep 17, 2022 15:59

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Mx. posted:

what? lower decks is big into showing how much it loves star trek, and the ideals of the federation, and i think it's weird that you look at it and go "it all seems so totally harmless until you realise you don't actually give a poo poo about anything."

that's such a weird take

Roomtone's whole shtick seems to be spraying bizarre, very negative poo poo-takes all over TVIV, usually based on their own highly idiosyncratic and often baffling criteria.

Which they're entitled to do, of course

# ¿ Sep 22, 2022 08:39

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

I thought hasparat was when you sometimes get a tin of soup, heat it up, poach an egg in it, serve that with a pork pie sausage roll

# ¿ Oct 12, 2022 08:29

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Nullsmack posted:

ugh, if they keep making this show it kills my hope that they'd give another 10 episodes to SNW when it's gone.

Don't want more Picard

Do want more Frakes

It's a toughie

# ¿ Oct 14, 2022 16:55

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

MadJackal posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TxhUZjxdn4

You can tell how pretty much everyone working on the show is a fan of classic Trek.

Man this is great

# ¿ Oct 15, 2022 21:58

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

A.o.D. posted:

"We'll never give into your cancel culture Q! The Terran Empire SHALL make the galaxy great again! "

WoQ

# ¿ Nov 6, 2022 10:20

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Charity Porno posted:

Discovery is intensely liberal. It's extremely violent, it sometimes celebrates that violence, but then they do token poo poo like have Stacey Abrams as Earth president and namedrop Elon Musk.

# ¿ Nov 16, 2022 20:19

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

I've become obsessed with the weird kitbashed ships from wolf 359, they're really fun as far as TNG lineage classes go

Kind of accidentally by being made out of kinda crappy commercial Enterprise D model kits they look like more primitive forebears to the Galaxy and Nebula classes. Also a couple of them have Ambassador style saucers or secondary hulls, which is neat and reinforces the feeling that there's a consistent throughline in that particular lost era of Trek

EDIT there are some fun fanon explanations for them here

Barry Foster fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Jan 1, 2023

# ¿ Jan 1, 2023 14:09

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

MikeJF posted:

The New Orleans is a fantastic mini-galaxy and genuinely one of my favourite classes and should've been seen in other Trek. Cheyenne's a great update to the Constellation too.

(I could go the bottom mission pod on the Norleans though)

Exactly the same, one of my favourites too! It's a cool little galaxy era frigate. But yea, the lower pod really spoils its lines.

I also really like the Challenger class. Though Nebula will always be my fave of that line.

# ¿ Jan 1, 2023 15:03

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# ¿ May 18, 2024 00:44

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

I really like Generations. The soundtrack is fantastic, the D never looked so good, and I really enjoyed the captains meeting. I thought Kirk's death was very fitting.

It was also the second film I ever saw in the cinema (aged 8 - the first was Free Willy) and, as a young trekkie weirdo, seeing it on the big screen blew my mind

# ¿ Jan 21, 2023 21:20

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