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Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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gently caress it. There aren't any browsers that support the <blink> tag any more anyway, so there's really no point in continuing to hang onto my HTML avatar.

Gimme that No Joe tag. This poo poo sucks.

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Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Cpt_Obvious posted:

I think it's important that we write in Bernie on the ballot. If he pulls enough votes, we can then say "You lost because you would not push a progressive agenda."

My state explicitly doesn't count write-in ballots unless they could make the difference in the election. I was thinking about voting Bernie in the general until then. Now I'm looking at third parties.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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platzapS posted:

Please do not write-in Bernie without checking to see if your state records all write-ins. In many states you'll just be counted as "Write-in: Scattering" or something.

Writing in your vote? It might not get counted (2016)


EDIT: Unless I'm misreading, votes for Bernie in the 2016 general election were only recorded in California, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Vermont

This is the case in my state (Washington), and is why I'm not voting Bernie in the general. I need to find a third-party candidate to vote for. If my vote is getting tossed out anyway, it might as well send a message about what might be a way to earn it in the future.

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Code Jockey posted:

good call, I checked and looks like Washington state records it

still torn about Bernie vs. Hawkins, I want to see what Bernie does in the coming days / weeks

but above all, I was born a no-joe-er, and I will die a no-joe-er

Where'd you find that? From what I'm seeing, that's not the case.

Kreeblah has issued a correction as of 01:29 on Apr 9, 2020

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Oh, good. More means testing. :waycool:

Though I also notice that he hasn't said how he's going to pay for it, or how he's going to get this radical left plan through Congress. He really needs to address these crucial aspects soon.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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xrunner posted:

I'm confused how student loan forgiveness for low and middle income earners even works? Like if I work in retail a couple years after graduating I get forgiveness and then go on to my high paying job? Or do I lose forgiveness? Or I make just over the threshold for forgiveness so I still have to pay but my buddy who makes $500 a year less than me gets forgiveness? I guess they're would be a phase out to handle that. Maybe? Article paywalled so maybe there's more details, but this sounds like something that you say to win points but never actually bother to pursue.

Here you go. There aren't any details on the student loan thing, but we can probably assume it'll be some combination of the worst parts of all of those.

Edit: Oh, looks like they're finally getting their ad blocker blocker poo poo through to archive.org pages as well. That sucks.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Rastor posted:

Jill Stein, the Green candidate in 2012 and 2016, has said less than brutally mean things to antivaxxers.

However she won't be the candidate this year. They haven't held their convention yet but it's expected to be eco-socialist Howie Hawkins

If they end up nominating an actual socialist, that'll be a pretty strong incentive for me to give them my third party vote (assuming the candidate clears the theoretically low bar of "not a rapist"). I'd love for somebody to get 5%+ running on a socialist platform.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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I can feel the Klobmentum.

Wait. No. That's indigestion.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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I am Joe. I am Joe? Joe I am?

That Joe-I-Am! That Joe-I-Am! I do not like that Joe-I-Am!

Would you vote for Joe-I-Am?

I will not vote blue, Joe-I-Am.
I will not vote for Joe-I-Am.

Would you vote blue here or there?

I would not vote blue here or there.
I would not vote blue anywhere.
I don't like fash, Joe-I-Am.
I will not vote for Joe-I-Am.

Would you vote to cut 'Security?
Or Medicare, to kill infirmity?

I will not vote to cut 'Security.
Nor Medicare, to kill infirmity.
I will not vote blue here or there.
I will not, shall not anywhere.
I want real change, Joe-I-Am.
I will not vote for Joe-I-Am.

Would you vote, to aid the bankers?
Or bail out owners of oil tankers?

Not to aid the bankers, nor to bail out tankers.
Not to cut 'Security. Not to kill infirmity.
I would not vote blue here nor there.
I would not vote blue anywhere.
Your record's poo poo, Joe-I-Am.
I will not vote for Joe-I-Am.

Don't you care about RBG?
SCOTUS soon will be five and three!

It doesn't matter. Five four, five three.
You'd need a chudge to pass the GOP.

You might love them! You'll see. I promise!
Just like you love Clarence Thomas!

He is not someone I have respect for.
I don't know what you must project for.
I will not vote to aid the bankers.
I will not vote to bail out tankers.
I will not vote to cut 'Security.
I will not vote to kill infirmity.
I will not vote blue here or there.
I will not, shall not anywhere.
I'm over here, Joe-I-Am.
You're wandering off, Joe-I-Am.

"Me too!" "Me too!" "Me too!" "Me too!"
Don't you think there's process due?

We rightly killed Al Franken's job.
But now it's you, you'll only dodge?
Do you simply lack all decency?
Or just have no sense of recency?
This poo poo is not OK, you arse.
You can't just make this a cynical farce.

Stop the Orange Man from being a king!
You have to do, you know, the thing!

You've not said word one about what you would do
To inspire someone to vote for you.
"Orange Man Bad" is your constant refrain.
That's all you say. Again and again.
I'll say it again, because it seems I must.
You've not done a whit to earn my trust.
I will not vote to aid the bankers.
I will not vote to bail out tankers.
I will not vote to cut 'Security.
I will not vote to kill infirmity.
I will not vote blue here or there.
I will not, shall not anywhere.
I don't owe you my vote, Joe-I-Am.
Nor shall you have it, Joe-I-Am.

How privileged you lot all must be,
To vote for Trump instead of me.
Don't you care about kids in cages?
Or our Job Creators reducing their wages?

When did I say I'm voting for him?
And who built those cages to put them in?
Your offer is more of the same thing that fails us,
In which any disruption to commerce derails us.
I will not vote to aid the bankers.
I will not vote to bail out tankers.
I will not vote to cut 'Security.
I will not vote to kill infirmity.
I will not vote blue here or there.
I will not, shall not anywhere.
I'm through with voting for Republican Lite.
So, I'm out of here. So long. Good night.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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olives black posted:

gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag please :kiddo:

:emptyquote:

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Today's a good day. You know why?

Today's yet another day where I will not vote for Biden.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Plastic Pal posted:

Joe Biden, a "Democrat", is bending over backwards to court Republicans & he's just gonna continue right-wing rule; there is no compelling reason to vote for that brainmelting imbecilic bought-and-paid-for sellout. lmao he's going to choose a Republican VP

Also he's a god drat rapist, holy poo poo. Democrats are a garbage party.

It really is amazing how little they care to even pretend to have principles right now.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Squizzle posted:

good grief let me get that html sorted out for you

Any chance I could get a fix, too?

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Squizzle posted:

in the queue. :rip: blink tags

It's not like anything still renders them anyway. I figured I could give that up for this.

Thanks!

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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I know this place is an echo chamber, but I've definitely been heartened by all the NoJoe tags I see around here. I really hope we can get a viable third party out of this rolling dumpster fire of an election.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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cool dance moves posted:

Chaos ending: trump wins by one state and it turns out the people in charge of tallying the votes are connected to Pete Buttigieg

Maximum chaos ending: Trump wins by one state with a 50% difference against the exit polls, using voting machines with no auditable records.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Some Guy TT posted:

someone help me keep track of the demographics biden has alienated i got

told young people they dont get anything
doubling down on antiasianism for his covid19 policy
saying that latino voters arent in the gameplan
announcing that black people who dont vote for him arent black by definition

trying to get an over under on when and how hes going to piss off the rest of the coalition

taking credit for gay marriage cant be the lgbt line hes already done that im gonna go with him comparing himself to gay people in terms of pedophilia accusations
promising to increase drone strikes would probably do it for the muslims kind of surprised he hasnt already done that really
for native americans he could either victim blame them for gambling or aggressor blame them for inventing casinos shortcut would just be warren as vp of course

Saying that anybody who doesn't give full-throated support to everything Israel does is an antisemite.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Classon Ave. Robot posted:

Keep in mind that if the Greens get enough votes that Biden might have won if he got all those votes then the Democrats will throw the ultimate hilarious screaming meltdown and we'll get to watch. I think that alone is worth going out on election day.

This would be amazing. And then I can just keep doubling and tripling down on, "You said you didn't need my vote to win. If you really wanted it, maybe you should have picked a candidate who appeals to me. :shrug:"

The best thing about a result like that would be that it would be a huge gently caress you to Schumer's "For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin." bullshit.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Zvahl posted:

they blamed ralph nader for years for 2000 until 2016, you know because he made al gore lose to that president they pretended to hate

they'll be blaming bernie literally until we're dead

After years of Blue-no-matter-who gaslighting and claiming that Sanders supporters are a brainwashed cult, they can't conceive of the possibility that some people don't really care about the individual or party so much as the policies. And Biden, like nearly all of the Democratic establishment, is absolute poo poo on policy.

This isn't an identity thing. It's an "I want something to actually get better for once in my lifetime, which it never loving has." thing.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Skyarb posted:

Hey guys, just checking in, are you all voting for Joe Biden?

Hmmm. Let me check my calendar for November.

Nope. Looks like it still says I'm not voting for Joe Biden.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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triple sulk posted:

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1275597508903747584

HOT drat, ANOTHER DAY OF NOT VOTING FOR JOE BIDEN

The gently caress does "access to healthcare" mean? You can get treated in an emergency and then declare bankruptcy afterwards? Basically what we have now?

Also:

https://twitter.com/DavidAgStone/status/1275598417851330560

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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On the offchance that Lowtax throws a tantrum and nukes the forums overnight, I just want to say one thing here:

SA or no, I will not be voting for Joe Biden.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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One of the things I'm going to be sad about with the forums dying here is that I won't get to see the wailing and gnashing of teeth in D&D when Joe "I have no empathy" Biden doesn't get enough people to the polls to win.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Bust Rodd posted:

hey I’m curious is there like a single video clip anywhere online of Joe Biden saying how he would, if elected
make anything better?

like does he have... policies?

has he literally proposed...anything?

I mean I felt very familiar with Warren and Sandler’s platforms even 3 months ago but even keeping up with the Biden campaigns absolutely glacial output I can’t find... I mean literally ANYTHING about what Joe plans to do RE COVID, homelessness, the economy, schools... like am I dumb or just not googling the right stuff or does the major democratic presidential candidate of 2020 not have any policy positions regarding our current national crisis?

oh wait I found one video saying he would give more money to police

Here, let me show you this web site full of words that he's probably never read but will definitely implement on day one of an administration, despite being in total opposition to everything he's ever done before while in office.

Kreeblah
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Kitfox88 posted:

it’s gonna own how the dems will literally have nothing other than ‘he’s not trump’ because if they point to anything Biden actually has done it’s effortless for trump to make the tiny hop to how he’s just as bad a human

This will be even more blatant if RBG bites it before the election and Trump gets to fast-track a replacement from his stable of Heritage Foundation hacks.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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tangy yet delightful posted:

You haven't seen the social media posts about how it's actually 2 justices that are old plus other nebulous things?

They are absolutely prepping for RBG to not make it till Nov in centrist Dem twitter land.

Although truthfully I don't think that voting Bloc will matter come Nov 5. The corona Bloc seems like it will be the deciding factor.

I try not to kill too many brain cells reading doughnut Twitter. I have few enough left as it is.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, though, that they're already gearing up to make it all about some other SCOTUS judge now that RBG might not be able to be their prop in November.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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But there's a campaign site. With political promises.

So, who ya gonna believe? The campaign site, or your lying ears? Checkmate. :smug:

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Moderate needs quotes around it.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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CubanMissile posted:

Last day to not vote for Joe in July.

Ah, yes. Thirty days hath September, June, July, and November.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Repostin' this.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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I'm absolutely, completely, 100% unsurprised that Biden picked the cop while there are shitloads of people who have been protesting against police brutality for months.

This party is totally worthless.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Gene Hackman Fan posted:

also, spent the past couple of days impotently ranting at ppl on facebook (because this is what i do when i'm out of weed)

but in the course of that ranting, i noticed something: it's not just the usual brand of smugfucking insufferability we're seeing from libs this time around. there is something palpable and genuine coming through with these people, and it's fear. liberals are scared right now that trump may actually win, and it's completely understandable why they would be. with that in mind i would like to offer the following food for thought:

gently caress 'em.

this poo poo didn't happen overnight. if anything, they've been actively contributing to this whenever they've been at the levers of power themselves over the past forty years. they don't give a gently caress about trans ppl, nor the foreverwars, nor the shameless loving grift or even the lack of health care. they aren't afraid of what trump would do to the poor and downtrodden, they never have been! otherwise they would have called out the bullshit in their own loving party long before now, if they even do it then. they've doomed mine and future generations to a loving inhospitable planet all so that their donors could squeeze a little more wealth from people, before they jog merrily to their graves and they've done it with a smile and assurance this was for our own loving good.

no, the one thing they're afraid of is that they may actually suffer the conditions that millions of people in this rotten loving country and miserable loving planet have endured: an uncertain future, privation, misery.

it couldn't've happened to a more deserving lot.

I could emptyquote this for days.

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Code Jockey posted:

e. ^^^ Ugh that sucks. :smith:


This. Vote for the platform and the kind of candidate the dems should've run, instead of chasing their addiction to donor money at the cost of the people they claim to represent.

It will not only bring the Greens - and their platform - one vote closer to a greater presence, in a system that has a dire need for a third party, it is one more vote - and one that will count - lost by the democrats thanks to their choices.

I'm voting for the Greens for their platform (and feeling like Hawkins may actually deliver it) primarily, but kicking the democrats in the teeth is a nice bonus.

The one thing I have left to hope for from this election since the House rep I was hoping would primary my current corporate Dem rep didn't make it past the primaries, and Sanders got machined to death before selling out, is that the Greens somehow manage to get enough votes to scare the poo poo out of the Democrats.

For as much as they don't care about anybody without at least an eight-figure net worth, the Dems do probably realize that the gravy train stops if they no longer have hope of holding power ever again.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

Technically the Democrats have access to my vote so that should be good enough for them I would assume.

:perfect:

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Business Gorillas posted:

Liberals will get increasingly desperate as they realize they went all in on demented alleged rapist Joe Biden, a man who promises to fix none of our problems

They won't have any introspection or self-reflection, of course, they'll just scream into the void that the people they've actively told to gently caress off aren't as deluded about their candidate as they are

Yeah, that's the real kicker. I wanted the Dems to earn my vote this year, because Trump is super lovely to have in the White House (and another Trump term could, legit, no-joke, kill me, if he manages to gently caress with the pre-existing conditions ban or lifetime limits cap ban in the ACA). But, I can honestly say that I'm not sure whether it's worse to re-elect him, or to elect Biden, and I can't in good conscience vote for somebody who's just going to sweep things under the rug for 4-8 years while they continue to fester.

So, I'm voting Hawkins this year, because his platform is actually something I want to see enacted.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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TeenageArchipelago posted:

the supreme court actually just ruled that states can freely replace unfaithful electors, so your good now! your vote for Howie matters! democracy is saved!

or at least, I remember them ruling something like that

Yeah, they used some bullshit reasoning to rule that a vote doesn't have to be a free vote. It's totally OK for the vote to be required to be for a specified result.

There's no way that could ever be misused as precedent. Nope.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Sydin posted:

Priority one was to stop Bernie at all costs, but I do think they are genuinely huffing their own farts about Biden being a slam dunk win. The vast majority of the DNC's powerbase are old as loving dirt career politicians, and their internal strategists are all lanyard folks who haven't experienced the world outside of the fancy part of DC since they got their gig. I don't think they're trying to throw the election, I think they're genuinely convinced that there's the untapped block of never-trump independents and republicans, and they're convinced that these are the people to target because the liberals and the left will always vote for them, particularly now since of course we are all in agreement that Orange Man is an existential threat. It also doesn't hurt that this means pulling the party platform center-right, which is where the DNC's most powerful elite want the party to ultimately sit.

The problem of course is that "independents" are just temporarily embarrassed Republicans who have consistently proven they will pull the lever for the R candidate even after hemming and hawing for the entire election, and trying to grab R voters is dumb because Trump has like a 90% approval with them. So the Cop & Feel ticket has done nothing so far but alienate the youth vote, the leftist vote, and a huge segment of the minority vote, all blocs the D's absolutely need to turn out in full force to win. Also the process can never fail, only be failed, so when this inevitably doesn't work again it's going to be the fault of Bernie/The Squad/young voters/leftists who didn't unify behind Biden.

The absolute best part is that no matter how many times they drive away the people who should be their base and blame them for losses because they didn't shut up and vote for Generic Republican (D), they'll continue to assume we'll show up and blindly vote Dem in the future, so there's no need for outreach. There's absolutely no indication that they'll ever consider that maybe they need to do something to get their base to turn out.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Bust Rodd posted:

if you don’t think Bernie would have won, ask yourself why the entirety of the Democratic establishment worked harder to gently caress him than they did Trump.

The only real doubt I have as to whether Sanders would have won comes from wondering how effective the Dems would be in undermining him in the general. Their one actual competency seems to be loving over anybody to the left of Reagan.

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Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Yeah, NY going red is like 99% not gonna happen, but I'd laugh my rear end off if it does, and ends up being what pushes Trump over the top.

Not that it's gonna matter in the end. No matter who wins, we'll still have a broken healthcare "system", people getting thrown in prison because of a loving plant, kids in cages, a dying planet, and on and on and on.

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