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Brazil is different. In Brazil, UFOs maim and kill with purpose and intelligence. Do you remember the "chupas," refrigerator-sized barrels or boxes skimming roofs and treetops, shooting concentrated beams of radiation at hunters and villagers? Vallee has traveled to the region and interviewed survivors and witnesses. One doctor he spoke to had seen no fewer than 35 patients, all telling the same story of being struck by beams of intense white light and exhibiting similar burns and symptoms of dizziness, headaches, numbness and anemia. Vallee writes in Confrontations that:

Nobody has ever ridiculed these people. Their intelligence has never been insulted by the pundits of the New York Times or the arbiters of rationalism of Le Monde. They speak in simple, direct ways about what they saw. The admit to being scared, and when they speak about illness and death it is in the same calm, even voice with which one speaks about the reality of all the mysteries around us.

Rah! posted:

aitee thousand leagues under the sea

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Near Cisco Grove, California on the night of September 5, 1964 Donald Schrum, a 27-year old employee of a local missile production plant became separated from his two bow-and-arrow hunting companions. As dusk approached he took shelter in a tree, lashing himself to a branch with his belt. After settling in, Schrum - identified only as "Mr S" in the files of the US Air Force's Project Blue Book - saw three objects in the darkening sky, a rotating and protruding light afixed to each that emitted "cooing" noises. Mr S thought they were rescue helicopters, searching for him, so he climbed down the tree and set signal fires. It was then, he realized they were not helicopters.

They were three somethings, [I can find no description of the appearance, other than "strange looking" and "different than anything he'd seen before"], shining beams of bright white lights, and they were circling his location. As he watched them descend, from beneath two of them, two smaller objects were delivered to the ground. Soon after he lost sight of them, he heard a loud crashing in the underbrush, and frightened, climbed to the lower branches of a tall pine tree.

Dr J Allen Hynek picks up the story, in The Hynek UFO Report:

He thereupon witnessed two humanlike individuals approaching his signal fires. They were garbed in silbery collarless suits, had unusual protruding eyes, and communicated to one another via an unintelligible cooing noise. According to Mr S., they were trying to dislodge him from his tree position when a third "alien," described by Mr S. as a "robot," appeared on the scene. Mr S. fired some arrows at the "robot" but failed to distract or divert any of the strange individuals. [Another account reports that when he finally hit the robot, "there was an arc flash and the robot was knocked backwards."] Then he tried lighting parts of his clothing on fire and throwing it at them to frighten them away. The individuals had violent reactions, and at the same time their craft began to ascend upwards, emitting a vapor which caused him to black out.

Schrum regained consciousness in the early dawn, found his companions and told them what had happened. Later, he told his father-in-law, who persuaded him to talk to authorities. Hynek mentions that the Air Force report notes "Mr S" appeared "stable and consistent in telling his story," though it explained the alleged sighting as "psychological." The Air Force kept the tape of Schrum's narrative, as well as one of the arrows he had fired at the robot.

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Faster than a speeding bullet — and bigger than a Wal-Mart.

That's how residents near the west Texas town of Stephenville described an object they spotted in the sky one night last week.

Dozens of people — including a pilot and a police officer — said a UFO hovered over the farming community for about five minutes last Tuesday before streaking away into the night sky.

Pilot Steve Allen saw the object when he was out clearing brush off a hilltop near the town of Selden. Allen described the unidentified object as being an enormous aircraft with flashing strobe lights — and it was totally silent.

He said the UFO sped away at more than 3,000 mph, followed by two fighter jets that were hopelessly outmaneuvered. Allen said it took the aircraft just a few seconds to cross a section of sky that it takes him 20 minutes to fly in his Cessna.

The veteran pilot said the UFO, an estimated half-mile wide and a mile long, was "bigger than a Wal-Mart."

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Indian villagers claim they are being attacked by flying spheres which emit red and blue lights. At least seven people have died in the last week of unexplained injuries in the state of Uttar Pradesh.

Many others have suffered scratches and surface wounds which they say happened while they slept.

Raghuraj Pal, whose neighbour Ramji Pal died recently in Shanwa, said: "A mysterious flying object attacked him in the night. His stomach was ripped open. He died two days later."

Doctors say such stories are nothing but mass hysteria while police say insects might be responsible.

Log082 posted:

I think the released videos are pretty good evidence that the phenomenon is real but the consequence of, culturally, making it a field for crazy people for years is that the vast majority of people involved are crazy or grifting the crazies.

The Demilich posted:

Someone post something extraterrestrial and creepy.

Yes I've turned on my monitor.

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"They're made out of meat."

"Meat?"

"Meat. They're made out of meat."

"Meat?"

"There's no doubt about it. We picked several from different parts of the planet, took them aboard our recon vessels, probed them all the way through. They're completely meat."

"That's impossible. What about the radio signals? The messages to the stars."

"They use the radio waves to talk, but the signals don't come from them. The signals come from machines."

"So who made the machines? That's who we want to contact."

"They made the machines. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Meat made the machines."

"That's ridiculous. How can meat make a machine? You're asking me to believe in sentient meat."

"I'm not asking you, I'm telling you. These creatures are the only sentient race in the sector and they're made out of meat." ...

blatman posted:

did anyone figure out what the moon cube is all about yet

edit: this one https://www.space.com/china-yutu-2-moon-rover-cube-shaped-object-photos

Jazerus posted:

it's moon city. for further details please see my sci-fi wifi thread, welcome to Moon City

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A bit of an update of this post from last March, thanks to this thread on the RI discussion board.

An article last week in The Scotsman claimed an "extrordinary 'hyperspace' engine that could make interstellar space travel a reality by flying into other dimensions is being investigated by the United States government." The theory is to create an intense magnetic field that would provide gravitational thrust:

Also, if a large enough magnetic field was created, the craft would slip into a different dimension, where the speed of light is faster, allowing incredible speeds to be reached. Switching off the magnetic field would result in the engine reappearing in our current dimension.

The US air force has expressed an interest in the idea and scientists working for the American Department of Energy - which has a device known as the Z Machine that could generate the kind of magnetic fields required to drive the engine - say they may carry out a test if the theory withstands further scrutiny.

Professor Jochem Hauser, one of the scientists who put forward the idea, told The Scotsman that if everything went well a working engine could be tested in about five years.

Such an article can't help but make me think of Nick Cook's The Hunt for Zero Point. Cook's odyssey began at Jane's Aviation Weekly, when someone anonymously dropped a 1956 clipping on his desk with the headline "The G-Engines Are Coming." In many respects, the 50-year old article was not unlike that in last week's Scotsman: "in the United States and Canada, research centers, scientists, designers and engineers are perfecting a way to control gravity - a force infinitely more powerful than the mighty atom. The result of their labors will be antigravity engines working without fuel - weightless airliners and space ships able to travel at 170,000 miles per second."

Fly Ricky posted:

I read it ages ago and something about it kind of pissed me off.

Hope this helps anyone in deciding to read it.

fake edit: Failson do you remember it well and have any idea what’s in it that would make an old bird-watcher mad?

Rickshaw posted:

Alright I just didnt want to be the wet blanket always debunking stuff with Reason and Logic, especially since my last posts were to poo poo on Harold White's "warp bubble," but my god the Hunt for Zero Point really goes off the rails most embarrassingly.

It has the core of a really good + interesting story to tell. (Anti-) gravity research has been a topic for major aerospace and defense contractors since about the 1950s, this is true. You can find some details here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_gravity_control_propulsion_research

Also, Nick Cook was former editor in chief of Jane's Defense Weekly, which is really not a minor thing. I'd love to pick his brain about stuff, I'm sure he knows things he's not allowed to write about. He's in a good position to know secret defense stuff.

The problem is he doesn't know the physics, at all, and he admits as much in his book. At one point he confuses the cosmic microwave background radiation with zero point energy.

That's fine in the first half of the book, where he's mostly just wandering around, talking to Boeing, military people, historians, etc. But at the middle point, it shifts gears when he starts writing about the "Nazi bell," and it never gets better from there. Briefly:

1. the nazi bell stuff can all be traced to a single polish writer who claimed he got all this info from reading documents/transcripts that he wasn't allowed to copy or photograph or whatever. Usual tales of nazi mad science ensue. The bell worked by rotating some sort of mercury solution, it is said, and it did all sorts of great and terrible things, possibly including.... antigravity?

2. Nick Cook then takes a trip to visit the estate of a dead volkish-kinda"inventor" Viktor Schauberger whos whole thing was basically making fancy fans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Schauberger Guys like Schauberger are kind of a dime a dozen. They come up with some simple principle and then they claim to see it everywhere in nature, where it holds the key to everything from long life, environmental harmony, and even....... antigravity??? In this case, spirals of air/water, turbines, fans, that kind of thing. A sort of monomania that the credulous might compare to Leonardo da Vinci. In perhaps the most embarassing passage in the whole book, Nick Cook speculates about Schauberger's fancy turbines:

Speculations about extra dimensions, torsion fields, zero point energy, fancy turbines, gravity, slowed time, and plenums all appear next in the space of about two pages. For an explanation of antigravity by means of a fancy electrical fan, this is an embarassment of riches.

3. T Townsend Brown makes an appearance. This also connects up with the Alien Reproduction Vehicle (ARV) and McCandlish, because both of these avenues claim antigravity is as simple as charging up a capacitor. The bigger the capacitor you charge, the more antigravity you get. What T Townsend Brown had created was actually an ionic thruster due to the asymmetry of his capacitors, and his experiments live on today in the form of "lifters" which are well-understood, and not antigravity https://hackaday.com/2016/07/13/expanding-horizons-with-the-ion-propelled-lifter/

4. Podkletnov, touched upon briefly earlier in this thread. Initially, his was the most realistic and most promising antigravity claim of the 2000s, because unlike electrical fans and capacitors, Podkletnov actually invokes quantum physics in a way where you could plausibly squint and believe there was a previously-unsuspected gravitational effect accessible on a lab bench. Bascially he used a high-T superconductor and spun it around and claimed things above it lost weight. Nobody was able to reproduce his experiments (Boeing and NASA famously tried). Eventually he disappeared from public view, after claiming to have also invented some sort of gravity ray gun.

5. Finally, we get to John Hutchison, the "theoretical physics equivalent of the jackalope". Hutchison has a long pedigree of pseudoscience grifting, dating back to the Art Bell era. Basically, he filled his Canadian apartment with surplus military / radio / high-voltage equipment to effect the look of a mad science lab, and gives tours to credulous reporters where he claims to have invented free energy and all sorts of things, including ..... antigravity??

You can see results of his antigravity "Hutchison effect" here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpnbeToeSMU&t=36s

Basically, flip the camera upside down and you're in business to create the Hutchison effect, but you also have to hand-wave about high frequencies and high voltages and Nikola Tesla.

Needless to say, Nick Cook reports on this stuff uncritically. The whole book is like this, you watch him stumble into grift after grift which he is not at all equipped to really understand, then he reports it uncritically to his audience lending it all further credence, while wrapping it in layer after layer of pseudoscience technobabble that he admits he does not understand. It's infuriating. Especially since I had been well aware of Hutchison and his kind for at least a decade before reading the book, because for whatever reason this is kind of a hobby of mine.

There is absolutely a big and mysterious world of black projects and even gravity research out there. Currently I don't think anyone has figured out a route to antigravity, but that is a particular possibility I keep in mind when I think about the tic-tac. I mean, if the tic-tac is a real object and not a plasma projection (it certainly doesn't seem to be a plasma projection) then we should be considering antigravity as one explanation. If antigravity explains the tic-tac then there must be some antigravity effect accessible in a device the size of a F-15 (assumptions.....) which would mean new physics. And if we're speculating about new physics, there are potential routes there, but none that a credible physicist would probably entertain, so it's all in this weird limbo.

global tetrahedron posted:

https://twitter.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1468292716790530048?s=21

https://twitter.com/bryandbender/status/1468298854252441606?s=21

goochtit posted:

Come to think of it, maybe we are, at least in the extent of stuff we wear. Aside from the high fashion hybrids from some pages ago and the peanuts I can't think of any observed entities described or depicted as wearing anything more extravagant than some sort of bodysuit or robe. Fashionable is our racial trait and we're here to dress up the universe

Futanari Damacy posted:

Does anyone else remember the mid-90s TV movie where an asteroid or something, a tiny rock, falls to Earth and infects everyone with an alien virus? At one point the rock floats up through the air and a guy tries to catch it and it burns through his hand.

Rickshaw posted:

did anyone else follow the david wilcock / corey goode secret space program "blue avians" shtick that unfolded in the mid-2010s? literal bird aliens had a thing where they would abduct you as a child, you would live a full life as spacefaring secret space program astronaut / "insider", you would learn all the secrets of the ET races and of time and space and galactic space DNA quantum channeling, then they would return to you back from where they grabbed you and reverse-age you and wipe your memory, and then you would remember all the details 40 years later as a poster on the david wilcock forums

garbage-tier space opera crap with secret antarctic bases and telepathic space brethren, somehow it took the UFO world by storm, these guys were everywhere all of a sudden, i think they were invited to keynote the mufon conference, corey goode went on jimmy church's show a bunch of times, they were the first content that founded Gaia TV as far as I remember, and it seemed like people were afraid to directly call this all out for sketchy reasons. very strange poo poo. then corey apparently started a serious cult and disappeared from at least my internet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W60LkFlz2Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii7h9FM_r1g

Polo-Rican posted:

loling at the idea of an alien, after traveling the cosmos, eventually whipping out a VISA to register a something awful account

Petey posted:

has anyone here read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_the_Damned

Azathoth posted:

this sounds like a really lovely prog rock song

global tetrahedron posted:

https://twitter.com/dwpasulka/status/1470797112703135744?s=21

munce posted:

100% real genuine non-cgi ufo battle videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16ziHYMIwyg

my bony fealty posted:

broke: future humans

woke: future hyperevolved cephalopods

Marzzle posted:

a publicly traded corporation would never break the law conspiracy freak. they'd get sued


...


maybe

Riot Bimbo posted:

Demon might have unfair baggage but this is unironically what i fear and tbh my astral experiences include tons of what I'd call attempted possessions? Imagine a highly vivid, clear-as-waking-life experience of an entity with no fixed form, whose only characteristic is that it emits zero light, jumps into my head and starts gnawing at what feels like the actual link to my body; it felt like a particularly painful siezure. every single time it happend, invokation of the holy spirit was my SOLE weapon.

To think someone finds themselves there and does not call for that help; I have more or less advertised a cool trick to be goku in your dreams that may or may not have dire metaphysical consequences lol and i hate that

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

Talked my wife into trying Gateway to help with her anxiety:
"It was fine."
"Would do it again"
She found Monroe's voice charming

e:
also
https://twitter.com/andrewducker/status/1472594755498430466?s=20

Wheeee posted:

can’t shake this feeling that chris and lue’s excellent adventure to bring disclosure is actually a bogus journey to get out ahead of something inevitable and manage the narrative

Rah! posted:

lol

"hey jimbo/ivan, instead of using test pilots who are adults with fully functioning brains, and like, muscles and stuff, and who have years of experience flying and being in the military and whatnot, lets put little kids behind the controls of our 69 trillion dollar super secret flying pissorb"

Charles Mansion posted:

That dog incident is mentioned in Hunt for the Skinwalker, I think. The original owner of the ranch reported that his dog(s) chased one of the orbs into the brush and then he heard yelps, followed by silence, and when he investigated his dog had apparently been transformed into a greasy spot on the ground.

If confusing UFO sightings with mysticism is a major part of the op Hunt for the Skinwalker's content is a perfect fit.

Wheeee posted:

tom delonge is the perfect counterintelligence asset, you can feed him bullshit and he’ll uncritically regurgitate it as truth and you can feed him deep truths and he’ll do the same and in either case pretty much everyone will write it off because he’s a simple manchild

but then you let it be known that legit people have actually talked to him in the past and now everyone trying to figure out what the gently caress is actually real

Rah! posted: