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Sereri posted:I can't decide if that is terrible or hilarious. Oh well at least the pirates are getting the protest votes now and not the nazis or the Linke. I'm going with hilarious, especially considering the internal arguliner (is that even a word?) for the JuLis that was leaked two years ago: http://kontroversen.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/julis-haben-angst-vor-der-piratenpartei-2009.pdf. I can't find an english version right now but the gist is that it recommended to marginalize the Pirates and not treat them as a "real" party during conversation. Looks like that didn't work out too well 
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Einbauschrank posted:All in all I am growing tired of you fleeing into invective language everytime you are being outmaneuvred or unmasked. So please come back for another discussion after your manners have evolved somewhat. Except you haven't unmasked anything. I've read back through all of your posts in this thread to be certain, and literally your only argument is that there is an unbroken line from the SED to die Linke. The entire rest of your posts on this topic consists of you harping on what you consider inherent evils of socialism (which you seem to equate with Stalinism). Oh, and also a bunch of stuff on the bad things Lenin did for the sole reason that one poster happens to use his name.
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Einbauschrank posted:First you suggest that I equate the evils of Socialism with Stalinism, the next sentence you make nonsense of your claim by accusing me of pointing towards the evils done by Lenin. Don't you think that Lenin, the founder of the Union of Socialist Soviet Republics might be considered a Socialist or do you think that he wasn't a criminal responsible for the death of thousands and the installation of a system even more repressive and deadly than the one he overthrew? I am just asking because either you've forgotten about Stalin the moment you wrote about Lenin or you somehow don't connect the inherent evils of Socialism to Lenin - which would be quite extraordinary. I'm saying that the evils commited by someone in the name of an ideology do not inherently worsen that ideology. Be that as it may, I was originally pointing out that neither Lenin nor the crimes he commited have much to do with the subject that was originally discussed: Whether die Linke could be considered a danger to democracy. Whatever people name themselves after (on these forums of all places) is simply not pertinent to the discussion. The way you keep sticking to that is an ad hominem in its purest form.
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In some other news, the results for the elections of the Landtag in Schleswig-Holstein are in: http://landtagswahl-sh.de/wahlen.ph...ch=0&mode=liste Compared to 2009, the SPD made some gains while the CDU lost a little and they're pretty much even now at ~30%. The Grüne are pretty stable with some slight gains at 13,2 %. The FDP on the other hand suffered some severe losses and were in fact almost overtaken by the Pirates, both of them at 8,2%.  This is also the first time the Pirates got any seats in the SH-Landtag. Die Linke did not make it over the 5% hurdle this time. Finally there's the SSW at 4,6%, and as they're representing the danish minority in SH they don't need to pass 5% to get seats in the Landtag.Both SPD and CDU have announced that they want to rule. However it seems that the SPD has much better chances, as their planned coalition of SPD, Grüne and SSW (which would give them a 1-seat majority) would likely be tolerated by the Pirates. The CDU's only options would be either a great coalition (SPD+CDU) or one between CDU, FDP and Grüne. Both options seem rather unlikely, the former because the SPD doesn't really have a reason to cooperate with the CDU, and both Grüne and have declared their unwillingness to enter the latter. I'm fairly happy that we're (probably) rid of CDU/FDP. However to me the most interesting part is the resounding success of the Pirates, who made the strongest gains compared to 2009 with +6,4%. I'm interested to see whether they'll stick with their relatively narrow thematic scope or if they'll branch out to form a more comprehensive set of positions. Perestroika fucked around with this message at 10:51 on May 8, 2012 |
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niethan posted:That "we are the nerds you never invited to parties" poo poo was so fremdscham-inducing. I only just got around to watching it and god drat is it bad. I suppose he wanted to make clear that they're not part of the establishment and that they value substance over appeareances and all that jazz, but defining themselves as a party of/for nerds or somesuch is exactly the wrong thing to do. It will only serve to alienate prospective members, as we could already see with their problems regarding sexism (which are mostly caused by nerds being nerds). As a matter of fact it runs contrary to what he tried to say in that it implies that it's more important to be a part of their in-group than agreeing with their positions. Perestroika fucked around with this message at 21:56 on May 9, 2012 |
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The Ender posted:Well, to give a bit of western perspective, it seems odd to a lot of people that Germany has so many censorships laws re: Nazi imagery, Nazi figures, etc. When it's illegal to show images of Hitler in the media / in public spaces, it looks like there's an attempt at revising history. As already said, it's not at all illegal to show Hitler. Only certain symbols (swastika, SS runes) and phrases are banned, and there are a number of exceptions that allow for them to be shown in an educational, historical or artistic context. Take for example this clip of Obersalzberg, essentially a parody of The Office. Swastikas and Hitler everywhere, but entirely legal and shown on german television. Basically it's only really illegal to use these things "in earnest", so to speak. But you make a valid point in that the misunderstanding of these censorship laws is probably the leading cause of the "germany tries to bury its past" meme.
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niethan posted:Well germans have weeks of holiday a year as opposed to days. In addition to that it's pretty easy to get to a number of culturally quite different countries fairly quickly. Most places in France, Greece, Great Britain, Scandinavia etc. can be reached in just a single day of driving or a few hours of flight. In the US you'd have to travel that long just to reach your own borders.
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Landsknecht posted:Who is forming the government? It looks like the SPD/Gruene and CDU/FDP have exactly the same number of seats won? It's not entirely decided yet. The full count will take a while longer, so there's still a chance that one of the coalitions will end up with a seat or two ahead (possibly through overhang). Update: The count is now finished, SPD+Grüne managed to win by one seat. Also, apparently a lot of the votes for the FDP came about due to strategic voting from CDU-supporters. Perestroika fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Jan 21, 2013 |
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Landsknecht posted:Hey, does anyone here know anything about the control of water and water ecosystems in Germany? Like I know in France there is a centralized group known as the "water Police" that supervise water resources, but do we have any central office like that here? I suppose the closest thing would be the Umweltbundesamt, which oversees most things related to water, among other things.
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Grendels Dad posted:Who's speaking about the 5th? What's supposed to be backwards about planning your shopping list even two days in advance? To the best of my knowledge that's pretty common among people over a certain age, so maybe you just outed yourself as a mid-20's bachelor who can't control his munchies and is pathetically dependent on instant gratification? midnightclimax posted:I never realized shopping after 6 pm is such an existential need. Goodness, hyperbole much? Nobody is saying that it's absolutely necessary, but there's just not much reason not to do it. I rely on a nearby 6-20 Aldi for most of my groceries, but having a 6-24 Rewe available turned out to be pretty convenient whenever I forgot something on a saturday evening or when I'm coming home late from sports or uni and don't want to have to rush just to pick up some milk or whatever. It's doubly useful since I don't have a car and as such can only ever buy as much as I can carry on a single run, which puts a bit of a damper on the whole stockpiling thing.
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Kurtofan posted:Can I have a translation? Pretty much yeah, Horst Tappert was recently found out to have served in the Waffen-SS. As a consequence, several TV channels announced that they wouldn't air any more reruns of Derrick for the foreseeable future. The poll from that picture is about whether Derrick should be aired anyways. The options are, in order: -"Yes, not every member of the Waffen-SS was a criminal" -"Yes, the show is a german culture good independently of that" -"No, former members of the Waffen-SS have no place in television" -"No, no more episodes should be aired until his (Tappert's) role during the war has been completely revealed" VVVVV Nänänä VVVVV
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Well, at least now I can use those things to get a few positions out of the AfD, their official program has been utterly useless in that regard. And as it turns out they're pretty much the FDP without even their somewhat reedeming social stances. They're all "free market über alles" until it comes to things like reproductive rights or gay adoptions.
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The CDU seems to be aiming to put up only the blandest, most boilerplate posters ever. The other parties at least manage to display some arguments/positions, but theirs are generally only along the lines of "good thing is good". Though I don't really know what/who the Greens are going for with these:  Speaking of debates, I just happened to catch the Tageschau's Dreikampf debate between Gysi, Trittin and Brüderle. It was fairly short but also quite spirited, with Trittin at one point just straight up calling Brüderle a liar to his face
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Randler posted:There is no path for gay marriage in any realistic coalition because there are constitutional problems with expanding marriages that way. I fully expect marriages and civil unions to exist independantly from each other but with the same rights and obligations for a very long time. Out of curiosity, why is that? I'm by no means a constitutional scholar, but article 6 of the GG (which I guess is what you're referring to?) only grants a special protection to the institution of marriage and family and does not actually make any mention of the genders of the people involved. Is there some other law where that is actually legally defined that way?
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Torrannor posted:Well, this may be true but the text passage is still rather ambiguous. And the constitutional court can use any of the still pending cases against marriage discrimination to declare same-sex marriage compatible with the relevant part of the Basic Law. The impression I get is that even inside the CDU there are a fair few voices in favour of proper SSM. It seems (or at least I hope) that much of the leadership is mostly just blocking it for fear of alienating their conservative base rather than any particular conviction of their own. I wish the FDP had put more pressure on them while they still mattered.
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Well, today's the day, all of you go out and vote if you can. It seems pretty likely that we'll be stuck with the CDU one way or another, but at least there's a chance to push the FDP out and to make sure the AfD never gets in.
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vickser posted:As somebody who knows very little about them, what is so wrong with AfD? I thought most people here were against the Euro? They're pretty much a bunch of neocons hiding behind a populist "common sense" facade. They're all "free market über alles" until you come to such pesky topics like marriage/adoption equality or contraception.
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Torrannor posted:Yeah, I don't even know how to take this. Should I hope the AfD gets in to prevent the CDU from governing alone? Am I relieved that these crazies did not get in? Am I sad that the FDP did not make it into the Bundestag? Just wow. It's probably for the better if they stay out. Even a majority-CDU will pretty much just stay the course and maintain the status quo whereas the AfD has the potential to become actively harmful.
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ThirdPartyView posted:Didn't Merkel basically tell people to vote for the CDU/CSU and not the FDP? Kind of the other way around. The FDP was fishing for CDU votes to make sure they get over the 5% hurdle, but the CDU pretty much told them to get hosed. As for why the FDP is so unpopular now, they promised sweeping tax cuts before the last election but when they actually got in it of course turned out that they were unaffordable. If I remember correctly, the thing they did push for the most were cuts benefitting mostly hotels and pensions, who incidentally just so happened to be among their biggest donors. Perestroika fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Sep 22, 2013 |
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Torrannor posted:About the AfD, well this depends heavily on what happens with the Euro in the next few years. And if the FDP embraces a more critical attitude towards the Euro. That could seriously undermine the voter base of the AfD. Yeah, I'm also wondering what will happen to them. I guess/hope they'll lose most of whatever pull they had with protest voters and slink back into obscurity now. Plus, the next four years will be plenty of time to dig up and demonstrate their lack of actual substance (or for them to double down on their more terrible positions and become unelectable).
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Stefu posted:Oh, the naive hopes of a country unaccustomed to right-wing populism Drone posted:I know comparing America to Germany is like comparing apples and oranges, but everyone said this about the Tea Party in 2006/7 too. I'd say the difference is that getting *too* right-wing is politically very toxic in Germany, especially on a federal level. So I guess it will depend a lot on messaging, but if the AfD continues to draw in former NPD/DVU-members and gets too loud with their nationalist rhetoric that may well drive everybody else away.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:They are talking about raising the maximum tax rate. So the lower classes won't be affected. But on the other hand, they are still not ready to introduce a capital tax or a progressive capital gains tax. It's actually quite convenient for the CDU. With a bit of messaging they can deflect the majority of the blame for the tax raises on the SPD, yet they get to use all the extra funds they bring in all the same. Also, I've heard of another hilarious option: CDU goes for a coalition with the SPD but also ditches the CSU to move further to the center. Sure, the chances of that happening are about the same as for red-red-green, but could you imagine the fallout? 
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So, it seems like CDU and SPD managed to hammer out their coalitions agreement: http://www.tagesschau.de/inland/groko-beschluesse100.html A few points I got from skimming over the document: Minimum wage of 8,50€ is in, but will have a number of exceptions until 2017. The PKW-toll is tentatively in, but might still get axed if they can't get it to comply with a number of guidelines. Dual citizenship will be available only for children born in Germany. States will get the ability to limit increases in rents to keep them affordable. No significant tax raises are planned. There's going to be a 30% quota for women for the board of directors of major companies. It seems like the SPD got a fair few of their demands but in a relatively weakened form. I wonder how their base is gonna take this.
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elwood posted:aaaaaand The whole thing kind of reeks like a scam anyways. From what I've read, the entity holding the rights to that clip pretty much exists only on paper, and they're telling their targets to transfer the money directly to their account in Switzerland rather than to the law firm handling the case. Not to mention that the sum they demand is by their own admission made up of like 15€ for actual damages and ~230€ attorney's fees. Would they even be able to sue for such a small claim if their targets just completely ignored the Abmahnung? It seens like they're just hoping for a number of people to fold and pay and then run off into the night with the money secure in a swiss account. VVVVV Ah, I had just thought that there might be something that'd make sure a reasonable proportionality is maintained between the actual damages sued for and the additonal costs incurred by the judical processes. After all, the latter are already at 15 times the former, and probably would presumably go way higher if it ever actually goes to court. VVVVV Perestroika fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Dec 11, 2013 |
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Orange Devil posted:How long is the Verjahrung thingamabob anyway? Some cursory googling suggests that for copyright issues like these it's three years, but only starting at the 31th of december of the year it took place. Also, the attorney in question actually gave an interview about the redtube cases: http://www.wbs-law.de/abmahnung-fil...r-anfang-49126/. Here's a choice quote: quote:Von mir darauf angesprochen, wieso der Kollege Sebastian von Downloadportalen gesprochen hat, obwohl Redube in Wirklichkeit ein Streamingportal ist, erwiderte der Kollege Urmann:“Hier ging es doch um Progessive Downloading. Fragen Sie mich nicht zu den technischen Details, aber auf Wikipedia ist nachzulesen, dass nach dem Anschauen eines solchen Streams nachher die gesamte Datei im temporären Ordner auf der Festplatte liegt.“ So, wikipedia, huh? Also, they declined to disclose how they even got those IPs in the first place. Perestroika fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Dec 12, 2013 |
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Speaking of that football player coming out, there's another thing currently happening with regards to homosexuality: Baden-Württemberg plans to include bits about sexual diversity in their new school curriculum, people flip their poo poo and petition to sink it. Among their arguments you find all the old nuggets like "they're pushing it in our faces", "it's promoting an unhealthy lifestyle", "they're trying to turn our kids gay" etc. etc. As far as I can see, the original Arbeitspapier that caused all the hubbub is this one: https://www.kultusportal-bw.de/site...tprinzipien.pdf, and as you can see it's really just two or three bullet points at the end of each section about things to keep in mind. Not to mention that this is not even a finalised version of anything. So yeah, even if it's not as visible as in some other countries, there still is a fair bit of homophobia bubbling just under the surface. Hell, just look at the petition's logo: 
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"Bernd Lucke, paragon of honesty posted:We are not a populist party,[...] You can't even make this up. Well, I suppose the AfD has pretty much given up on trying portray themselves as the FDP 2.0 and instead goes for doubling down on the neocon-rhetoric. Hopefully they'll just slink back into obscurity now, though they might have one last huzzah during the EU elections.
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niethan posted:I guess it's better than being all "No I'm innocent" even though you're not but it feels like the bare minimum to accept a rightful sentencing and shouldn't earn brownie points. Yeah, accepting a judgement without incident is probably something that's done all over the country on a daily basis. Smaller-time criminals generally don't get recognition for that, so I don't see why Hoeneß should. It's really just the most basic bar to clear. It also carries the implication that pursuing all the legal options that are available to you is somehow "dishonorable", even though often times it's just the sensible thing to do.
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ephex posted:Those are quite amusing as well: Truly, the party of the young people. Look how "hip" and "with it" they are. 
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Randler posted:The "Junge Union" allows membership from ages 14 to 35. On the other, much less well-lit and always slightly smelly and sketchy, side of the political spectrum, the SPD also takes anyone stupid enough from ages 14 and up. That actually seems to be the rule for all of the party-affiliated youth organisations, including the Grüne Jugend, JuLis or 'solid. Coming to think of it, I'd love to see some kind of breakdown for each of them as to the motivations of everyone who joined below the age of, say, 20. It'd be pretty interesting to see how many of them joined up on their own initiative because they identify with the respective values (or maybe just as a "no gently caress you dad" deal) versus how many were nudged that way through their parents/relatives/friends.
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konsum posted:My only experience with Burschenschaften is this flyer I got in the mail sometime last year. They're also the ones who tried to introduce an Ariernachweis a few years back Weird, I just opened that picture and my dog started going absolutely batshit. I wonder why that is. Fake edit: Ahahaha, I just looked up their website and they're still doing compulsory Mensur. You can't make that poo poo up: Their FAQ posted:Warum fechtet Ihr?
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Randler posted:Seven percent is basically nothing considering that the AfD is the only German party with eurosceptism as its main selling point and they still profit from being a new on the field, therefore not having been able to self-sabotage like other parties that tried to become a second conservative party besides the CDU/CSU behemoth. Truth is, Europe is still an enormous net benefit for Germany, despite various institutional failure and political slights by Brussels against Berlin. So I don't really see eurosceptism taking hold in Germany for the forseeable future. Yeah, european politics is pretty much the one distinct subject that the AfD can capitalise on. So it's not surprising that they'd have a rather large turnout both among swing voters as well as their base, whereas the other parties' bases were probably rather  because it was "only" the european elections. I really wouldn't expect them to do anything near as well on a national basis unless something dramatic happens.
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Eezee posted:http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Radikale-Islamisten-bekommen-eigenes-Ausweisdokument-ohne-Chip-2427815.html Are you loving kidding me. I wonder how they are looking to decide who exactly is a "radical" who might look to travel to Syria? Beard length exceeding acceptable parameters? Tips from "helpful" neighbours? The clerk at the Meldeamt having a hunch?
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GaussianCopula posted:Are you telling me that there are no schools that are no longer serving Pork because of Muslim children or that the fact that they, schools that don't serve pork, exist is not a problem? The general procedure in any school cafeteria I've seen is to always offer at least two meal options, with at least one of them being vegetarian. The one in the school I've personally went to just made sure that this vegetarian choice also aligned with kosher and halal practices, so that most children could still have their culturally important Bratwurst (  ) while jewish or muslim students could just take the vegetarian options on those days.That is when everyone didn't just go to the kebab store around the corner anyway, because gently caress cafeteria food.
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GaussianCopula posted:I dont have numbers on it and can't be arsed to search for them but it seems to be a trend that schools try to integrate Muslims better by catering to their wishes and demanding "no pork" when requesting proposals (Ausschreiben) catering. Did you somehow not read the very article you posted that stated that such decisions are generally almost entirely up to the caterer supplying the food, rather than the school itself? Besides, it's pretty much their job to set up a meal plan that is appealing to all students on a limited budget. They generally don't serve liver or Sülze because most kids wouldn't eat that stuff, and curiously nobody raises a stink about that. If there's only room for a single meal per day and a significant part of their consumer base won't eat pork for whatever reason, then delivering pork anyways and telling those kids to eat poo poo instead is just plain failing at their job.
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Grendels Dad posted:Germany is Thunderdome: two cultures/classes/religions enter, one leaves. Patriotische Suebi gegen die Romanisierung des Germanenlandes
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Randler posted:The guy on the left looks conspicously südländisch. Maybe they should incorporate the requirement of having proper ary-, erm, occidental heritage. A Nachweis, if you will Fake Edit: Ahaha, I only just spotted the loving bow tie.
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My Lovely Horse posted:I mean, as far as I've heard, PEGIDA aren't even that much about actual islamic extremism as they are about asylum seekers all being fraudsters, keep pork on our menus and could the homosexuals shut up already. It's funny, I never even heard about the dreaded "Gender-Mainstreaming" that's supposedly being pushed everywhere until I started reading AfD party programs and that PEGIDA pamphlet.
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