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Furia posted:It’s funny how it’s always the gringos that come here shrieking to us about intervention and Chile like that’s the only other alternative yes, look on the bright side, there's also Iran, where US meddling ushered in a theocracy can't wait for "the christian republic of venezuela"
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fnox posted:Tell that to the families of the people he loving murdered. You are an impressively stupid dipshit. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 24, 2019 01:18
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"Hahaha how silly of you to be extremely wary of a country and an agency that have spent the last 70 years destabilizing every corner of the globe hahaha"
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Jan 24, 2019 23:48
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Jan 25, 2019 17:18
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Pharohman777 posted:Isn't that normal diplomatic congratulatory formalities? Who's this guy to give "diplomatic congratulatory formalities" back in October? He was only recognized as "president" by foreign powers a day ago.
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Jan 25, 2019 17:33
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Blanketspace posted:translation for those of you who don't understand Swedish the Ahmed Chalabi of D&D
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Jan 26, 2019 23:44
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Debate & Discussion > Venezuela: A few months ago I told SA posters I did not support an intervention. My heart and my best intentions tell me that's true, but the facts and evidence tell me it is not.
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Jan 29, 2019 02:05
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Acebuckeye13 posted:the only possible good result is if Maduro decides to take the golden parachute before Bolton or Trump get a chance to implement literally any ideas. The only possible good result is the one in which a US puppet is installed as head of state, in which case Bolton and Trump won't have a chance to implement any ideas. Makes sense.
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Jan 29, 2019 06:44
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Acebuckeye13 posted:
What you're describing IS an intervention. It's America deciding who gets to lead a country, first squeezing it through sanctions and international pressure which lead to things going to utter poo poo and then saying "Well, this other guy looks OK *wink* *wink*".
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Jan 29, 2019 07:23
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As long as Maduro is in power, the price controls will remain, the PSUV leadership will continue to loot the country, and people will continue to starve. Getting him out of power bloodlessly, peacefully, and (sort of) legally with the promise of new elections is the best anyone can hope for at this point, from my point of view. And if he gets out sooner, that's less time that Trump or Bolton would have to try anything immensely stupid like an actual show of military force.
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Rust Martialis posted:Some posters seem unable to grasp one can oppose both Maduro *and* active US intervention. Actually, those posters are grasping that pretty well, they just see it as what it is - a morally correct but ultimately weak stance that will see you either ruled by a US puppet or embroiled in a civil war.
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Jan 29, 2019 07:51
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Rust Martialis posted:The opposition could renounce US support; but given the reality is that Maduro already is starving Venezuela and has overthrown the Constitution, I personally don't blame them for being open to it. It's beyond me at least to tell starving people they have to keep starving. The reality is that American sanctions and American foreign influence are starving Venezuela. The ruling party in my country is also kleptomaniac but stores aren't empty and people aren't starving. But they're also firmly capitalist and dedicated to the neoliberal handbook.
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Jan 29, 2019 08:38
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Rust Martialis posted:The reality is that Maduro and cronies are starving Venezuela, and have been for quite a long time. Welcome to the Venezuela Thread, it's not like this all kicked off last week. The reality is that American economic warfare is starving Venezuela. The light fingers of Maduro and his cronies are nothing compared to that.
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Jan 29, 2019 08:55
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Fallen Hamprince posted:Which sanctions, in particular, are causing Venezuelans to starve? Your months-long probation on the forums, for one. Don't give me this pedantic crap, I don't need to know the mechanics of how rain is formed to know what's happening when I see drops of water falling from the sky. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 29, 2019 09:07
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Fallen Hamprince posted:A man standing under an air conditioning unit, insisting that it's raining and that there is no need for him to look up. A man standing in a downpour shouting "This is just the air conditioner leaking, everything is fine!" LMAO you are the most disingenous poster on the board.
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Jan 29, 2019 09:46
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Pedro De Heredia posted:lmao what an embarassment Is what I'll be saying to you when the puppet you're pinning your hopes on turns out to be a puppet.
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Jan 29, 2019 11:23
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Rust Martialis posted:As opposed to supporting Maduro like you do? At least he has a *chance* of a better outcome, which is more than you can say. What better outcome? A neolib "interim" president who owes his position to such luminaries as Donald Trump and Bolsonaro? LMAO maybe it is. He'll sell everything not nailed down and erase the gains lower classes have made but at least they'll have some crumbs to eat.
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Jan 29, 2019 12:27
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patonthebach posted:I don't know why the die hard commies areally defending this fact gently caress when he runs the country more like saddam than castro Maybe because they aren't posting from a time bubble suspended in 2002 and know what effects the Iraq war had on the ME.
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Jan 30, 2019 17:45
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patonthebach posted:It really isn't too bad saddam isn't still in power today. Don't you think? 
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Jan 31, 2019 05:05
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fnox posted:Any democratic government is better than a military dictatorship. As we've received absolutely no assistance whatsoever from enlightened individuals such as yourself, we're going with the only people who seem to give a poo poo about getting Maduro removed. If Guaido ends up being another violent oligarchic dictatorship (replacing the current one), we'll just get rid of him as well until someone stops loving up. 
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Feb 2, 2019 20:19
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fnox posted:Are you absolutely loving making GBS threads me? You're in an extremely good position to help, you live in the first world. For you, as a Finn, 5 dollars is nothing, 5 dollars could feed dozens of people in Venezuela. This mentality is just insane, it means accepting that you're fine with not doing anything but whine. Go gently caress yourself, ghoul.
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Feb 2, 2019 20:36
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Furia posted:Do you have anything to add to the thread or are you just here to show your true colours as you tell a person encouraging you to donate to charity to go gently caress themselves? He's concern trolling, dumbass.
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Feb 2, 2019 20:53
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Furia posted:Yeah I get that now. What's there to add to this little circlejerk? Me no like bad things. Happy now? Have I added value to this hallowed ground? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 2, 2019 20:57
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Furia posted:You could apologise for being a shitheel to the person encouraging people to help starving Venezuelans Let me get this straight: in a previous post you admitted yourself you see he's concern trolling and now you're reproaching me for basically telling him to gently caress off for it???
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Feb 2, 2019 21:04
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Furia posted:Oh I see what the problem is now Yes, the correct answer to someone who during a discussion about a political crisis replies to you "Did you donate anything???? Did you do anything???? You personally, what did you do???" is to tell them to go gently caress themselves, because that is a ghoulish thing to do. And you can see that that's his only goal because when he got a reasonable answer about what should be done about the situation he discarded it and continued hammering on his stupid loving point of "What did you PERSONALLY do?" because he's concern trolling.
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Feb 2, 2019 21:10
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"These aren't US government-issued guns!", I shout while talking about what is supposed to be a covert operation LMAO
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Feb 8, 2019 17:16
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Air America, what's that? A new airline?
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Feb 8, 2019 17:42
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Feb 9, 2019 22:52
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:It's been established multiple times upthread by actual Venezuelans that American perceptions of race don't make sense in Venezuela but thanks for trying to cram that in again. LMAO so a few venegoons write some dumb poo poo and suddenly it's "established", cause they're obviously sociological experts and not regular people with their own biases.
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Feb 13, 2019 01:44
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Acebuckeye13 posted:But this crisis isn't rooted in colonialism, it's rooted in corruption and bad economic policy. The hyperinflation, the shortages, the over-reliance on oil revenues, the political crisis, all of it is because of the policies and conduct of the Chavez and Maduro governments. Switch "Chavez and Maduro" for "Allende" and "oil revenues" for "copper exports" and you have the average shitlib's take back in the day.
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Feb 18, 2019 01:51
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:Hahahahahaha The people rose up in defence of an oil company's CEOs, just like in the books Ayn Rand wrote.
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Feb 18, 2019 16:48
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Acebuckeye13 posted:This was after Chavez pushed through a new constitution that enhanced his personal power and people thought he was setting himself up as a dictator, so yeah they took offense to a power move to wrest vastly more personal control over the state oil company. "People" thought that, did they? These "people"?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id--ZFtjR5c&t=1393s
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Feb 18, 2019 17:24
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Rust Martialis posted:A bit of a far cry from those calling the opposition all right-wingers, surely? "Margaret Thatcher's greatest achievement" was in the Socialist International, but nevermind, keep shilling that poo poo to whoever is dumb enough to eat it.
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Feb 19, 2019 13:29
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MullardEL34 posted:What the hell happened to this thread? it stopped being a cirlcejerk
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Feb 20, 2019 15:29
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Rust Martialis posted:"Noun! Verb! Elliot Abrams!" No matter how many times you repeat this, it won't be either funny or thoughtful.
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Feb 20, 2019 18:19
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Kawasaki Nun posted:So did you just make up that people said they don't want US food aid or not? "Excuse me sir, you haven't answered our question! Now, have you stopped beating your wife?"
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Feb 22, 2019 08:59
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Private Witt posted:One of us is taking the side of the Venezuelan people and the democracies of the world, and the other is taking the side of a military dictator backed by other autocracies. That might shed a little light on which one of us "right." "Peaceful new elections"! "Free and fair"! LMAO
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Mar 2, 2019 18:19
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MullardEL34 posted:Is this something that happens in a normal, democratic society? Yes.
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Mar 3, 2019 12:31
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:If you agree with the argument that "sanctions are violence" it's not particularly stretching things to believe this. Again, if. LMAO, get yourself one of these: https://www.amazon.com/Reading-Comprehension-Success-Minutes-Builders/dp/1576854949 (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 4, 2019 23:02
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DoctorStrangelove posted:The economic shock therapy that Chile underwent in the late 1970s after socialism ruined its economy. Chile is now the wealthiest and most democratic country on the continent. Allende was couped in 1973, that's not "late 1970s". And the shock therapy was a failure.
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Sergg posted:Marshall Plan, Berlin Airlift, Nigeria in 2017. There are famines averted by international aid all the time, but they rarely make the news because news tends to garner better ratings when it's about tragedy. Do you really think that when people criticize "intervention" they're poo poo-talking international aid or are you trolling?
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