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Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

foobardog posted:

I was mainly making fun. I agree with you. Trump makes Reagan look like George Washington as an actual substantive leader. He's a cynical satire from a 90s comic book come to life, and he's winning.

He's not really winning anything yet.

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Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Radish posted:

I had a friend growing up who's dad replaced all the Japanese parts on his bike out of reverence to WWII.

Ah yes, the Japanese aircraft carrier Shimano.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005
Trump is going to cap out at 40% of republicans max which will look okay in the states like Iowa who vote 100% on personality with a field of 10 but will get him trashed with a field of 3 on Super Tuesday.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Combed Thunderclap posted:

^^EDIT: We already expanded from sea to shining sea, lebensraum is over.

Fifty four forty or fight.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

mcmagic posted:

I know but he's just getting scary and horrible now.

Own it. Ride the dragon.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

SpiderHyphenMan posted:

Okay but lemme gently caress with you here.
What if.
What if.
There's a terrorist attack between now and the election, or worse, between Trump getting the nomination and the election?
What happens then?

Seeing that Hillary is basically a living incarnate of the Angel of Death most people would probably realize she might be a good choice to ruin a whole bunch of lives foreign and domestic.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

A Bag of Milk posted:

Anyone who thinks they can predict how the general would go if Trump wins the nomination is deluding themselves. Basically everything that political scientists know about the primary process points to the fact that a Trump nomination is unthinkable and impossible. If it comes to pass that he is the nominee, we'll be in completely uncharted territory. Throw out the whole rulebook. lol forever at people thinking they can predict voting patterns or turnout with any sort of accuracy in that kind of situation. No, let go of your illusions of understanding and just strap in for the madness. (He still won't be the nominee though).

He would be an extreme outsider who probably got the nomination with a plurality but not even majority of support from his party. I don't see why traditional models that factor in the ultimate upper limit likability of a candidate would suddenly fail. I think we have a decent idea on the demographics that he could possibly mobilize (white men) with the X factor that he could mobilize basically every other demographic against him.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

A Bag of Milk posted:

The general is an eternity away, and Trump could easily rebrand himself in that time. He's skilled at that sort of thing and knows he'll be playing to a different crowd in the general. Or not, he could just remain exactly the same. It's a definite possibility he could win white women. Romney did easily. Or he could just crash and burn. Or win.

I don't agree that he's good a rebranding. He's politically fluid but that's different. His brand has stayed the same as a loud mouthed font of "common sense", which has limited appeal.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Party Plane Jones posted:

Except when it comes to vaccines apparently.

I know there are left wing vax deniers but are there more than the right wing vax deniers?

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

TheDisreputableDog posted:

A democratic president puts Muslim American citizens on a kill list and then blows them up extra-judiciously - "meh"

A republican candidate suggests a moratorium on Muslim entry - "JACK BOOTED THUGGERY!!! HITLER!!!"


Like, it's a dumb idea but please tone down the hysterics.


Hmm, what could be the difference between a muslim and all muslims?

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

fishmech posted:

It used to be heavily a leftist thing due to association with extreme fringe people of the environmentalists movement, but I don't know if it still is, since a buncha mainstream republicans have started advocating it

But anti-vaxing has also always been a part of the John Birch type (or Alex Jones today) anti-goverment types and mark-of-the-beast fringe Christians.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Teflon Don posted:

The ability for terrorists in other countries to connect with citizens and radicalize them, as seen in France and California.

*checks scoreboard*

US: like 6000 isis
Isis: like 15 americans and another 100 frenchies.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

HootTheOwl posted:

It's really good after the fact at identifying the networks that terrorists used. It's pretty bad at prevention.
All in all it's a joke because it's like trying to find needles through the mass acquisition of haystacks.

Especially if it's like the dude in California who decided the ISIS facebook page was good and his coworkers were dicks.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

THE BOMBINATRIX posted:

Yes and it's only cost us hundreds of millions of dollars to blow up some brown retards in the desert! We're winning terrorism!!!!

I forgot, we also totally gunned down the ISIS couple in the street, which was pretty rad.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Teflon Don posted:

They don't have to kill a lot of people, they just have to inspire fear and make the administration take action, which so far they have accomplished quite well. This "no fly list" thing is a complete farce and shows how weak they are in this area.

I'm confused what action the administration is taking because their hand was forced by ISIS.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

zoux posted:

The root of the problem doesn't have a military solution.

Time to build schools in Raqqa.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

The Iron Rose posted:

Yes, this is legitimately what we should do.

We should be subtly support moderate clerics while targeting extremists. We should be investing in infrastructure, healthcare, education while bombing as many members of extremist or terrorist groups as possible.


Exactly. We're not going to be way to bomb radical Islam away. What we must do is provide a credible alternative that supports USG interests and secures a more stable future.

I agree that a youtube video where a bunch of moderate clerics get beheaded is my kind of thing.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

icantfindaname posted:

I'm just gonna start calling Trump Il Duce from now on

Pronounced douche-y.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

TyrantWD posted:

Eventually the business wing is going to get sick of not getting many of the reduced regulations and taxes they've been lobbying for. The crazies have benefited from the relationship because it funded their campaigns, but the business guys have gotten very little out of it.

That's why they'll embrace Hillary for the mild accelerationism of unsustainable capitalism instead of going whole hog down the RaHoWa rabbit hole.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Ernie Muppari posted:

i mean, why would anti-communists want to join up with an organization that bills itself as socialist?

:godwin:

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Mr. Wookums posted:

I read it as everything that isn't a plane or gun are equal to eachother.

But the contrapositive of that checks out.

Edit:
Take all things, suppose that the set that aren't guns is the same as the set that aren't planes. This implies that what's leftover for both is the same thus guns = planes.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

zoux posted:

Probably not but progressives are never going to achieve anything ever if they don't stop only caring about the presidency, because that PAC money slays in downticket races.

Uhhh, they care, they've just been gerrymandered out of the game.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

CommieGIR posted:

http://www.theonion.com/article/joh...eview:1:Default

The photo is the best:



"John Roberts Delivers Finishing Blow To Stephen Breyer To Defend Title Of Chief Justice"

"I am the law."

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

Not entirely -- the rules are mostly devolved down to state level parties (though they could presumably pressure them.) I think they would be hesitant, should he keep trucking to OUTRIGHT deny him agency, for fear that would trigger him to run third party.

I think the trick would be to force Trump to still fight for the nomination until the conventions instead of starting out as a third party in June and get a head of steam.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

FlamingLiberal posted:

Nice touch there with the German Koran to make it even more foreign sounding

Der Koran... Das Kapital.

Could this be that Ryan is transforming into notable uber-jhadist Karl Marx?!?

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Evil Fluffy posted:

We don't live in a world that actually punishes people like him for being horrible monsters. The Punisher isn't real, guys.

:sigh:

RIP Big Pun.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005
My impression of Iowa voters is their bizarre sense of entitlement mean that the metrics they vote for candidates are no way representational of anywhere else in the country.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

It's really a total disaster of a haircut though.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

VikingofRock posted:

I'm getting pretty close to getting my PhD in physics and I still can never remember which is which.

PhDs do a great job of making you forget intro material unless you're really teaching a lot.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

A Winner is Jew posted:

My point is that just because a group isn't liked by our government at the moment doesn't mean we should restrict access to those that have associated with said groups.

Uhh, sure we should. There's no reason that immigration should be 100% politically blind.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Kilroy posted:

As much as you want to cling to the belief that Bernie's support comes exclusively from fanatical redditors, that is not the case. A lot of people in your "delusional branch" of the Bernie camp just want a robust nomination process and lively debate, and will accept Hillary's inevitable win as long as they perceive the process was fair.

It's not just fanatic Reddit posters and that's why this doesn't matter. The redditors can fuckoff and most of his supporters won't give a poo poo about the dirty candidate they supported in the primaries and vote for Hillary in the general.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Kilroy posted:

Ugh, fine. gently caress it. Clinton campaign functionaries will use their position to needlessly antagonize potential voters in the general election, but this is fine since the only people who will take any offense are precisely the people who weren't going to vote for her anyway, according to fishmech. That doesn't seem to actually bode well for her chances in the general, to be honest, but I'm starting not to give a poo poo about that anyway. I think I'm going to have to revise my position of "Hillary Supporter" to "on the fence" after the reaction of her campaign so far and the tribal bullshit going on in this thread which is seriously loving aggravating. I don't know how you can call yourself a Democrat, or even a lean-Democrat, if you're willingly to piss off other Democrats for literally no good god drat reason at all.

btw:

What a loving surprise.

Yeah, most people are going to be not angry over some day-to-day electioneering mumbo jumbo.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Kilroy posted:

It would be one thing if the reaction from the Clinton campaign gave them any advantage at all, but it doesn't.

You seem happy enough provided the Clinton campaign not do anything that will obviously harm their chances in the general, or will have no effect on the general. I would rather they only do things that will help their chances. Like, literally every single action performed by every member of the Clinton campaign - to the extent humanly possible - between now and November 8 should contribute positively to her chances of winning that election. Reducing those chances is obviously bad and doing stuff that has little effect either way, takes time away from doing stuff that increases the chance of a win.

Hmm, you're right that we should go nuclear over getting some side shade via tweets on the Friday end of the news cycle.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Kilroy posted:

It's actually trivially easy to plan around, provided you don't first dismiss them as "the whiny contingent" and "barely sane".

How do you want it sugar coated then?

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

greatn posted:

Yeah but he didn't steal the infrastructure and dbas, he peeked and probably exported some volunteer gathered data which in the end was probably mostly redundant with his own.

So it's worthless because he only stole the part that was tactically useful for running an election?

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005
*robs a bank*

"It's okay, I didn't steal the presses from the us mint"

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005
When in doubt, add kraut.

Condiment chat over.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Raskolnikov38 posted:

IIRC wasn't their first strike option to obliterate the missile field in one of the Dakotas and the secondary strike was megadeath?

The Dakotas and ever major population center. The difference is you only need a few airbursts to depopulate Southern California because people don't live in hardened silos while you need to drop penetrating hydrogen bombs at close range to take out a missile site.

Bip Roberts fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Dec 24, 2015

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

McDowell posted:

Why would deflation be bad? Seems like it could improve standards of living without increasing wages. We're in a weird place now where a penny is a quantum of money - it is everything and nothing.

Deflation is really bad for the economy in a number of ways. The most simple is really it disincentives spending any money if it's going to be worth more tomorrow.

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Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Luigi Thirty posted:

he he yeah burn the south, kill everyone in the s



That map only shows rural areas with black people, FYI.

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