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ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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RareAcumen posted:

I didn't really know much of the details but talk about that Soylent garbage that was a thing a year or two back.

Soylent comes up in The General Diet & Exercise Megathread every few months, most recently starting here:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3483424&pagenumber=1075&perpage=40#post460704863

One of the better notes:

Zugzwang posted:

Soylent can't claim to be "nutritionally complete," since we don't know about anywhere near all the compounds that are in food and how they interact with each other or with us. We probably don't yet know about all the nutrients that humans need, either, and we certainly don't know the optimal levels for everything, nor would there be a one-size-fits-all solution even if we did know what was optimal for a given individual with their particular genetics, activity level, etc. There are probably cofactors in fruit, vegetables, etc. that help make their nutrients more absorbable, which is why real food beats out isolated macronutrients + multivitamins, and these are certainly missing from a fake powder food made by some computer guy.

That said, we'll eventually learn about some of these mystery nutrients once the "all Soylent all the time" crowd becomes deficient in them, so yay for their future contributions to science I guess.

EDIT: Also reminder that this is the creator of Soylent, so consider if you want to hop on the train of a dude who buys new clothes from China to avoid doing laundry. http://gizmodo.com/rob-rhineharts-latest-attempt-to-make-you-buy-soylent-i-1721852606

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ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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Number 1 Sexy Dad posted:

How do I make refried beans? Maybe this "how to make refried beans" seriouseats link will have a recipe http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/04/how-to-make-great-refried-beans-recipe.html

Scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll
If only they had included a link to the recipe that was visible as soon as you opened the article.

Tendales posted:

Protip for navigating the serious eats page: there's usually a words-words-words article that then links to the recipes. You don't have to read the whole thing, though; there's also a link to the recipe right underneath the giant splash picture at the top of the page.
Yup.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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PCOS Bill posted:

I thought this is where we discuss how well done is the only way to prepare steak

That's the NFL thread.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3774234&pagenumber=81&perpage=40#post460226833

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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chitoryu12 posted:

I needed references on crappy cheap alcohol, and I found that Serious Eats had a Drinking the Bottom Shelf column where the guy would review low-priced alcohol of every stripe and see how it stacks up compared to the more expensive stuff (like pirate-themed Captain Morgan rum knockoffs or the latest Anheuser-Busch monstrosity) so I started opening them up.

Every single one had a good dozen or two paragraphs describing the exact turn of events that led to the writer coming across and purchasing this beverage, sometimes detailing an entire day's activities or how he's planning his marriage, and then one or two paragraphs at the very bottom that actually say how the drink tasted.

Will Gordon moved to deadspin and then to Men's Health, where he's continued that general line (most recently comparing Olde English 800 to Colt 45):
https://kinja.com/willgordon
http://www.menshealth.com/author/will-gordon

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:

Taters & corn, a Midwest staple. I love it
That looks more like grits with loose corn to me. Google image search claims is it is in fact corn meal, so I'm claiming that as a win:
http://jroinafrica.blogspot.com/2010/10/food.html

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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Would.


...spell the ABCs with my tongue on that.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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drrockso20 posted:

I'll admit I don't quite get this joke

http://achewood.com/index.php?date=01032003

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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Yawgmoth posted:

Whoa really? Totally gonna go out and buy some gushers tonight now.

I'm not sure sugar + fructose + corn syrup is that much of an improvement over HFCS, and the only juice that it has more than 2% of is grape.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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CommonShore posted:

Unexpectedly, Loose Corn moves up in the :stonk: hierarchy.

That's not loose. Still :stonk: though.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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AlmightyBob posted:

what the hell is a nutty buddy

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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baw posted:

This is something I've really come to love about Europe; they have very strict controls not only with sanitation but also with process and ingredients. Like you can't just make a random cheese and call it grana, if you want to call it grana then it has to be made in a specific place, with a specific process. The US has no such controls over process and labelling.

The US has less of these ticky tacky, must be made in a specific place, restrictions, but the US does have an entire system for registering trademarks that indicate that a product has been made in a specific place and/or with a specific process etc.

As just one example, US Trademark Registration Number 0571798, for ROQUEFORT, is used to indicate that cheese "HAS BEEN MANUFACTURED FROM SHEEP'S MILK ONLY, AND HAS BEEN CURED IN THE NATURAL CAVES OF THE COMMUNITY OF ROQUEFORT, DEPARTMENT OF AVEYRON, FRANCE."

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:

Everyone check your bingo cards 'cause there's no way someone didn't win with this fuckin' thing

Surprisingly not.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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BlankIsBeautiful posted:

So are Nestle's Quik, and Nesquik the same product with different names on the different coasts, or are they still the same product just in two different containers each of which is based on your current geographical position? I am confuse.

Nestle rebranded "Nestle's Quik" as "Nesquik" globally in the 1990s.
https://www.nesquik.com/our-story/

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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axolotl farmer posted:

No vanilla in cheap foodstuffs is made from beaver glands today.

"The annual industry consumption is very low, around 300 pounds,[14] whereas vanillin is over 2.6 million pounds annually."

Certainly the odds are low.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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Panfilo posted:

Is this from the South? Because it strikes me as something from the south.

Nope. Fosters is a west coast company and that "Civil War Series" you see as an ad is actually Oregon v. Oregon State.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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I love the contrast between the idealized picture and the actual picture.

Reminds me of Falling Down.

(skip to 4:05)

quote:

See, this is what I'm talking about. Turn around, look at that [pointing to menu picture]. You see what I mean? It's plump, it's juicy, it's 3 inches thick. Now look at this sorry, miserable, squashed thing [holding up burger].

https://youtu.be/XkwQ6EjLdMQ?t=245

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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mds2 posted:

Is "Pizza Pizza" a Canadian re-brand of Little Caesar's?

Nah, came up separately. Supposedly has been able to stop Little Caesar's from saying "pizza pizza" in Canada.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza_Pizza

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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Top of the page. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3498320

e;f,b (refresh before posting).

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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slinkimalinki posted:

My boyfriend is allergic to tomato (apart from that one time that a waitress thought he said he was allergic to ciabatta) and let me tell you it loving sucks.
I have a tomato allergy* that wasn't diagnosed until I was in my twenties. I haven't had pizza** in almost twenty years and I miss it.

*Well, it was diagnosed and then forgotten about because it wasn't life threatening.
**Pesto or white doesn't count; that's just poo poo on bread.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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MariusLecter posted:

Thats pure protein.

Not even close.

https://www.cricketflours.com/cricket-nutritional-value/

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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Bogan King posted:

59g of protein per 100g is well up there for protein

If you do the math, the calories in that cricket flour are 48.5% from protein, 44.5% from fat, and 7% from carbohydrates. That's comparable with semi-fatty meats such as chicken thighs (54.4% / 43.7% / 1.9%) but is hardly the "pure protein" of egg whites (84.7% calories from protein), chicken breast (75.2%) or even greek yogurt (68.0%).

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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KakerMix posted:

If you care about efficiency though that cricket flour makes a bunch more protein for the energy it took to make it. Comparing it 1:1 for protein content that cricket probably took a vanishingly small amount of the resources used to create it vs. the milk for that yogurt or flesh of that chicken or the eggs from said chicken.

Not really, no.

quote:

Although it has been suggested that crickets reared for human or livestock consumption may result in a more sustainable supply of protein, this study finds that such conclusions will depend, in large part, on what the crickets are fed and which systems of livestock production they are compared to. When fed grain-based diets at a scale of economic relevance, populations of crickets in this study showed little improvement in PCE compared to broiler chickens fed similar diets.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0118785

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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NorgLyle posted:

I'm always sort of baffled by the idea that there's actually a market for frozen or canned carrots. You don't really save any money and the dive in quality for any application is crazy.

Counterpoint: fresh veggies melt in my fridge and frozen / canned do not.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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Haifisch posted:

Why are these always lemon jello?

Had they just not invented any other flavors yet or what

Possibly considered the most neutral. The first jello flavors were strawberry, raspberry, orange and lemon (1897), followed by chocolate, cherry and peach (all by 1914). In the 1950s jello had celery, italian, mixed vegetable and seasoned tomato flavors...

https://www.diet-blog.com/07/celery_and_tomato_flavored_jello.php

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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Fleta Mcgurn posted:

HEY GUYS DO YOU WANT A DIET AVOCADO BECAUSE NOW THERE ARE DIET AVOCADOS

Is it made of plaster?

It's just a different variety of avocado from Latin America. They claim it's naturally lower in fat than the varieties we normally see.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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Enfys posted:

"Serving size" is bullshit. In the EU, caloric information must be given per 100g (or ml). Some will also include the calories based on how many grams are in the package alongside the 100g standard for people bad at math.

In the US, the serving sizes are based on "Reference Amounts Customarily Consumed." The FDA periodically updates these and in fact did so relatively recently.

Some notes on the updates and the general approach:

http://www.fooddruglaw.com/2014/03/04/fda-proposes-significant-changes-to-raccs-and-serving-size-requirements/
https://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm386203.htm

And a big-rear end list of what the reference amounts are "per serving":

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/cfrsearch.cfm?fr=101.12

Chin Strap posted:

Because serving is abitrary and varies from company to company. See any individually wrapped snack marked as 2 servings.

No, they aren't and it doesn't. See the links above.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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Enfys posted:

Well they could be like UK city councils and buy homeless a one way train ticket to some random other city to loiter in

It's been tried in the US.
https://thinkprogress.org/nevada-gets-sued-for-dumping-homeless-patients-with-mental-illnesses-onto-buses-271e5c518016/
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/10/nevada-settles-busing-homeless-lawsuit-san-francisco/

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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Iron Crowned posted:

Jane's Addiction, Been Caught Stealing

Which was on Ritual de lo Habitual, released in 1990. Here's the video, to close this out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzUnqr1t7yI

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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Facebook Aunt posted:

I don't think it's designed to taste like much of anything. I was a weird kid and tried a few kinds of cat kibble, dog kibble, and milkbone. It all pretty much taste like gritty grains.

I tried nutria (20 lb swamp rat) jerky designed for dogs, and it was similar in that it was too gritty for me. This may not be the actual jerky, but close enough.

http://www.marshdog.com/MarshDog/Why_Its_Good.html

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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Prism posted:

Malt vinegar.

Or apple cider vinegar.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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BlankIsBeautiful posted:

A tiny taste confirms that it's pretty much like Marmite, only beefier tasting. Still mind-numbingly salty which is soooo good. Which is funny, because it clearly has no Sodium, and is made of nothing according to the Nutrition Information on the back.

It's pretty normal for items that are down at the 5g per serving level to have everything round down to 0g for nutritional information purposes (or just round off weirdly; the 1g carbohydrates and 1g protein from the list would actually be 8 calories per serving rather than 5, so there's some serious round-off error), but! Actual Bovril has 575mg of salt per 5g serving, so why the hell that isn't on the list is a real question.

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/254880858

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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Data Graham posted:

The thing is, I know there was a good-faith attempt at rationalizing this stuff back in the mid-90s, about when the standardized "Nutrition Facts" boxes were put on packaging. Before that you would get ridiculous poo poo like a 12-oz can of Coke having a serving size of 8 ounces or a small bag of chips having 2.4 servings or whatever. But after that it said like "serving size: 1 can" or "1 bag", much saner and more usable numbers.

This is still the case. The original numbers were created in 1993 based on what people ate in 1977-1978 and 1987-1988. They were updated in 2016.

quote:

“We now have much more recent food consumption data, and it showed us that some serving sizes on food labels should change,” says Douglas Balentine, Ph.D., the director of FDA’s Office of Nutrition and Food Labeling. For example, serving sizes for muffins have changed. People generally consume an entire muffin, and not a half or a third.

In some cases, the reference amounts used to set serving sizes are smaller. Today’s individually packaged yogurts more often come in 6-ounce containers, versus the previous 8-ounce ones. FDA is now using a 6-ounce reference amount for yogurt.

But the serving size for ice cream has gotten a little larger. Instead of a half of a cup, it’s now two-thirds of a cup.
https://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm386203.htm

21 CFR 101.12.A(a) posted:

Sec. 101.12 Reference amounts customarily consumed per eating occasion.
(a) The general principles and factors that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) considered in arriving at the reference amounts customarily consumed per eating occasion (reference amounts) which are set forth in paragraph (b) of this section, are that:

(1) FDA calculated the reference amounts for persons 4 years of age or older to reflect the amount of food customarily consumed per eating occasion by persons in this population group. These reference amounts are based on data set forth in appropriate national food consumption surveys.

(2) FDA calculated the reference amounts for an infant or child under 4 years of age to reflect the amount of food customarily consumed per eating occasion by infants up to 12 months of age or by children 1 through 3 years of age, respectively. These reference amounts are based on data set forth in appropriate national food consumption surveys. Such reference amounts are to be used only when the food is specially formulated or processed for use by an infant or by a child under 4 years of age.

(3) An appropriate national food consumption survey includes a large sample size representative of the demographic and socioeconomic characteristics of the relevant population group and must be based on consumption data under actual conditions of use.

(4) To determine the amount of food customarily consumed per eating occasion, FDA considered the mean, median, and mode of the consumed amount per eating occasion.

(5) When survey data were insufficient, FDA took various other sources of information on serving sizes of food into consideration. These other sources of information included:

(i) Serving sizes used in dietary guidance recommendations or recommended by other authoritative systems or organizations;

(ii) Serving sizes recommended in comments;

(iii) Serving sizes used by manufacturers and grocers; and

(iv) Serving sizes used by other countries.

(6) Because they reflect the amount customarily consumed, the reference amount and, in turn, the serving size declared on the product label are based on only the edible portion of food, and not bone, seed, shell, or other inedible components.

(7) The reference amount is based on the major intended use of the food (e.g., milk as a beverage and not as an addition to cereal).

(8) The reference amounts for products that are consumed as an ingredient of other foods, but that may also be consumed in the form in which they are purchased (e.g., butter), are based on use in the form purchased.

(9) FDA sought to ensure that foods that have similar dietary usage, product characteristics, and customarily consumed amounts have a uniform reference amount.
https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/cfrsearch.cfm?fr=101.12

Data Graham posted:

I guess the idiocy has crept back in over time as oversight has gotten lazier?

Yes - enforcement is the key here.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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Tiggum posted:

Wait, so instead of just saying all foods have to give nutrition facts for a standard weight they went through and specified a different amount for every type of food? They could have just said "every food label has to show nutrition facts per 5oz" (or whatever weight is reasonable in your system) but instead they decided to do a massive survey to determine how much of each type of food the average person eats in one go?

Yes, that is correct, although similar foods are assigned the same reference amounts. The EU went with a "by 100g or by 100ml" option. There are pros and cons to both approaches.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/sep/08/food-labeling-us-fda-eu-health-food-safety

ulmont
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Metaline posted:

I went through a few years being vegetarian/vegan and fainted a lot. Like, waking up on a sidewalk with a goose egg every week or two. Iron supplements didn’t work, other forms of protein didn’t work, vitamin shots were useless, I wasn’t anemic so treatment for that didn’t do anything, I kept waking up on the ground.

Probably low creatinine. Treatable by eating red meat or creatine supplementation.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/319892.php

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Sep 15, 2010

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Pleads posted:

If you live on the West Coast/within 10Barrel's distribution area, Cucumber Crush is the king of summertime beers. Perfect for the balls-hot days of summer or as a shower beer after exercise/sport.



If you're near New Orleans instead, Urban South's Lime Cucumber Gose can hit the same notes.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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The Bloop posted:

I read about quinoa long before I heard it pronounced or at least learned that the thing people were talking about was the same thing I was reading about




So it's still pronounced quin-OH-uh in my mind when I read it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TobvW77tuwQ

ulmont
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Scathach posted:



I tried this out of curiosity and was not disappointed.

This was also pretty good.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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bike tory posted:

In NZ, which has the same sweet potatoes as Japan, it's generally treated the same as pumpkin in savoury dishes. So like baked/roasted/boiled and eaten with meat. It was weird to me seeing it honey or sugar coated here in Japan

The hilarious bit here is that I saw "generally treated the same as pumpkin" and was nodding along until I saw "savory". I have difficulty telling apart sweet potato pie and pumpkin pie here in the US.

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Perry Mason Jar posted:

White Castle is the best because they have veggie burgers and Impossible burgers.

...but don't forget to be fly at Fat Burger when you're way out west.

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MariusLecter posted:

Turkey WATER Loaf & Gravy!?!? - WHAT ARE WE EATING?? - The Wolfe Pit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gxqlspMtqA

Man, it's been decades since I ate these things; we used to have them when I was growing up on almost a weekly basis. I remember them fondly, and now I'm hungry.

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