[Premodern history] the year of the two fatal eruptions

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fabergay egg: Mar 1, 2012; it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'

bigly recommending michael hudson's ...and forgive them their debts for a history of debt and finance in the places that seem to have invented it, the ancient kingdoms of bronze age mesopotamia. also some sections on biblical jews and the later eastern roman empire. i believe david graeber's debt: the first 5,000 years draws heavily on hudson's historical research.

# ¿ Aug 19, 2019 06:14

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# ¿ May 19, 2024 06:32

fabergay egg: Mar 1, 2012; it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'

etalian posted:

Practical sets were amazing too bad they all got burned down in a fire.

extremely roman of them

# ¿ Aug 27, 2019 14:59

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Bernstrike posted:

I think Caligula had irony poisoning and used the horse to mock how bad the senators were but the dipshit historian senators wrote him straight, unaware that he was both �on one� and �doing a bit.�

all of history, is but posting writ large

# ¿ Oct 22, 2019 05:31

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Dalael posted:

There is no way this religion was real otherwize it would have supplanted every other religion in tbe world. Cmon,who is not going to convert to this? Hell i dont even drink and I want to sign up!

judaism also has this but ours is to celebrate a time we didn�t get wiped out. plus you have to drink wine just like all the time for every holiday. it is very important

# ¿ Aug 3, 2020 16:38

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Tulip posted:

e: We all know the most powerful poster would be Diogenes, while Plato would be in some libcult on Twitter.

socrates would also be extremely powerful. he invented a powerful trolling technique that you can use to own almost any philosopher. little defense is possible against a skilled wielder

# ¿ Sep 27, 2020 22:46

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MonsieurChoc posted:

Posting has always existed. It took different forms throughout history, but it has always been with us.

# ¿ Oct 3, 2020 22:55

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sullat posted:

He wasn't from the bottom of society, he was an unemployed law school graduate. Don't go to law school, kids.

i don�t understand, you said he wasn�t from the bottom of society but what you wrote says he is?

# ¿ Oct 4, 2020 17:26

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Dalael posted:

A small bird landing on Bernie Sander's podium in the middle of an arena filled with 20k people, while he's talking about climate change. As someone who was atheist and is now agnostic... holy gently caress

not much of an omen after what happened

# ¿ Oct 9, 2020 03:50

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twoday posted:

From the oldest temple complex in the world at Gobekli Tepe:

Amazing that they knew about the letter H already back then

no ring, voted 1

# ¿ Feb 13, 2021 18:41

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zegermans posted:

how do people argue that capitalism isn't an inherent trait of civilization when the first written thing was literally a complaint over a capitalist transaction

the central economic sphere of production and distribution in bronze age mesopotamia were the temple complexes. they made things, they employed people, and they sold things, and were the main economic entities that the majority of people would deal with. merchants would trade between cities and thus between temple economies, and the system of interlocking trade and tribute routes stretched across the entire mediterranean basin and at least as far as what is now iran. trade in copper (and tin), as ea-nasir and nanni are involved in, was essential to the whole economic system, which stayed pretty similar all the way up until it violently collapsed around 1200 bce.

these merchants were involved in trade for profit, but they were not capitalists, and the system was not capitalism. there was little or no practice of wage labor, and the means of production of goods were concentrated in the temples and not in the hands of the merchant class who carried out intercity and interstate trade. money in this system was a means of exchange and denomination of debts, the classic commodity-money-commodity cycle that marx described as distinct from the money-commodity-money system of capitalism.

e: michael hudson describes this system here, including how it was the origin of money itself.

fabergay egg has issued a correction as of 06:22 on Mar 14, 2021

# ¿ Mar 14, 2021 06:13

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mycomancy posted:

Thanks so much for this, as someone not well-versed in socioeconomic world history I struggle trying to explain to others how capitalism wasn't always around and other economic systems existed and bought/sold things without being capitalist.

Re: the bolded parts, could you link some more info about this? I've never heard about this and would like to know more in order to dunk on libs.

it's part of capital, vol 1, chapter 4.

# ¿ Mar 16, 2021 03:08

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Communist Thoughts posted:

that debt book seems pretty good, anyone got any other good history deep dive books?

michael hudson's ...and forgive them their debts is a history of debt, finance, and debt forgiveness throughout the ancient near-east. there will hopefully be a sequel at some point covering the same topic in greek and roman antiquity.

# ¿ Nov 13, 2021 20:05

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CoolCab posted:

why do so many of these look like those loving memes lol

people have always been exactly as dumb and gay as we are right now

# ¿ Mar 7, 2022 20:01

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Tulip posted:

It's actually even more awkward than that, since the Spanish did honor a fair number of their diplomatic agreements, most famously with Tlaxcala but also with Totonacs, even well post-conquest. "The Spanish didn't win by their own hand, AND they had some diplomatic honor about it" isn't convenient at all.

the conquest of mesoamerica having been done through politics and subterfuge turns the whole thing from a morality play into part of regular history. this drastically reduces its political utility

# ¿ Aug 9, 2022 20:55

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its good to remember that the northern europeans are brutes and savages who would never have known the light of civilization were it not for the greed and bloodlust of the romans. and this winter, thanks to president putin, they shall be returned to their ancestral state.

# ¿ Aug 9, 2022 21:01

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War and Pieces posted:

If they're was a way to argue that the G*rms were solely and totally responsible for the Fall of Rome without being racist I would take out a grad school loan right now.

it�s okay to be racist towards germans. they�ve earned it.

# ¿ Aug 20, 2022 05:37

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there is no end to the evils brought upon this world by the wretched dutchman

# ¿ Aug 22, 2022 19:20

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Azathoth posted:

for real, is that part of the etymology on snot? because split pea soup looks like snot from when you're really sick and is about as appetizing to consume

split pea soup is good. yellow and green: both good. it is a sign of culinary weakness to believe otherwise.

# ¿ Sep 7, 2022 00:37

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mawarannahr posted:

I think 1453 is a good time

the transition from the late middle ages began in 1453 and was completed in 1492. the intervening years are what the kids these days are calling a liminal space (i don�t know what this means)

# ¿ Sep 13, 2022 15:50

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Tulip posted:

My favorite Hegel story is the physicist who was dating a Hegelian and the Hegelian constantly insulted her intelligence for believing in the existence of non dialectical things like atoms and the electromagnetic force

we�ve finally found the field that looks down on physicists

# ¿ Feb 8, 2023 23:31

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mathematics is just applied schizophrenia

# ¿ Feb 10, 2023 17:41

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broke: infinite scroll
woke: vellum scroll

# ¿ Feb 14, 2023 22:30

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# ¿ May 19, 2024 06:32

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Animal-Mother posted:

Jesus was a real guy but, controversially, he was actually Jewish.

the only thing that can be said with certainty of the historical yeshua ben yoseph is that he was annoying

# ¿ Apr 15, 2023 04:48

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