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Stanos posted:It's a shame whatever caused Michael Savage to become such a bitter man happened because he used to do a show on Friday where it was a bit folksy and he'd tell stories about his childhood and his past. It was a lot more interesting in that Garrison Keillor type of way. Sucks about his disgusting views however. When was this the 70s because he's been awful for as long as I've known he existed. Then again if my name was Weiner I might have self esteem issues as well. He most likely got beat up too much as a kid and grew up bitter. I propose that hence forth the right wing echo should be referred to as the Pundittosphere.
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OK I haven't actually seen this discussed which seems a rather large hole in discussions about the Right Wing Echo chamber. What you are seeing in the media is the end result of a well financed and long running effort by a small group of rich assholes that was began in earnest after LBJ thoroughly stomped Goldwater in '64. At that time these rich old white guys decided that something needed to be done to change the public perception of business and capitalism. They determined the need to rehabilitate conservatism by financing the development of a intellectual base to counter what saw as an unfair bias by "liberal" academia using the political philosophies of Leo Strauss as ideological foundation. This resulted in the creation of Right Wing think tanks such as the Heritage foundation and Cato institute to provide a home for their "intellectuals" as well as supporting friendly academics by providing jobs and opportunities once they graduated as well as funding various expansions and departments in universities to promote their world view and develop intellectual arguments in support of that world view to provide it with legitimacy. They also groomed and financed politicians who were capable and interested in promoting their ideas. This is actually a pretty decent read on the subject. Unfortunately I don't have most of my primary source material here since it's actually in old fashioned book form at home but this link gives a decent run down on how this mess evolved. http://www.governmentisgood.com/articles.php?aid=9&print=1 What it comes down to is that the right wing echo chamber is a part of a large well financed movement to destroy the New Deal and Great Society programs and unshackle the rich from civic responsibility and being held accountable for their misdeeds. I suggest a great amount of caution when viewing right wing media (or any mass media to be honest), the one field of science that the right most certainly believes in is cognitive science or as they prefer to refer call it "Public Relations" which is to cognitive science what mechanical engineering is to physics, or perhaps more accurately weapons engineering since PR is about pushing harmful ideas rather than positive ones as the beneficial application of cognitive science would be psychology and psychiatry. As such they are very adept at manipulating peoples thinking through the use of memes, imagery and framing to capitalize on the various cognitive biases that undermine our ability to process information in a rational manner. This is not controversial as Molly Ivins used to say "their ain't no vast right wing conspiracy, it's right out in the open!" so feel free to do your own research on this stuff. There also isn't much active collusion involved, there doesn't need to be the backers and primary actors in this thing each do their part to perpetuate the machine by acting in their own perceived self interest. It's reinforced by the way organizations promote since managers and executives tend to promote those they like and people tend to like those who agree with them. So while you have some intentionally blatantly biased organizations such as FoxNews which was created specifically to be a propaganda device other media end up following in line on many of the ideas simply due to their own corporate interests. Suggested reading would be George Lakoff's Moral Politics, Barry Glassner's Culture of Fear, David Harry Bennet's The Party of Fear: From Nativist Movements to the New Right in American History.
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Beowulfs_Ghost posted:The think tanks might provide the ammo, but it is the talking heads that actually fire the gun by broadcasting those views. It's all a part of an integrated strategy. The think tanks do more than just provide the ammo they provide the strategies, talking points, and pundits to send on the news circuit. They were able to do this even before Reagan eliminated the Fairness doctrine that opened the floodgates for purely partisan broadcast networks. Getting rid of the Fairness doctrine was a huge part of really revving up the Echo chamber but the ground work was laid by the think tank eggheads appearing on the News hour and other political round table type shows. Where they were able to take advantage of that same fairness doctrine to spread the poison that eventually lead to it's elimination. Of course at it's core it was all because of the massive financial investments of people like the Koch and Coors.
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Wheresmy5bucks posted:...Are you suggesting that possibly the This is actually a part of their overall strategy, one that the left has sadly accepted and reacted to. The right understands that people generally think emotionally. Thus they want to deny that ground to the left so they attack the left saying that the left has nothing but emotional appeals to which the left instead of saying "gently caress off you fascist prick" instead goes all wonky and nuanced. Also something I've definitely noticed over my life is that what ever the GOP is accusing the Democrats of doing, you can be pretty loving sure that the GOP is actually doing that thing.
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McDowell posted:It's 'Attack their Strength' loud and proud. I also think its a preemptive false equivalency strike. GOP "The Dems do X" DEMs "GOP does too" Media "he said, she said" 3rd party "They're just the same vote for us" I am getting sick and tired of this whole "Obama has no agenda" nonsense the media keeps giving a pass to. Of course he's got an loving agenda we've seen it for 4 years in action and it's actually loving working. Plus the remaining parts of the jobs bill plus what ever other positive investments he can get through congress. But I digress. On the main topic from the Presidential Election Thread Right lying about Vilerat's Mom They really know no shame. As many have expressed and I have in others. Vile's mom gets a pass as does pretty much any grieving parent, but the way the right is handling the Benghazi attacks borders on the line of treason in my eyes. There are plenty of legitimate reasons that mixed signals have been sent from the Administration regarding the Libya attacks. I still halfway suspect that they're running a Canary trap with it. But even if we go with the most mundane explanation it's pretty much just that it takes time for information to filter through large bureaucracies and the Administration doesn't want to give her details because they're still trying to get a full handle on the situation. I think it's probably a mistake for the Administration to have not provided some sort of feedback but given the number of things on their plate it's kind of understandable. There is nothing they can do to change what happened in Benghazi so the priority is and should be on what went wrong and if there is or even should be anything that could be done to prevent a repeat.
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SilentD posted:Here's a fairly lucid and intelligent article from a rabid right winger. Countdown to Buchanan being stripped of his "true conservative" status, or did that happen when he took the gig on MSNBC? It's a real shame that the best rebuke I've seen of the "rah rah bomb Iran" mindset had to come from Pat "it sounded better in the original German" Buchanan.
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McDowell posted:Just yesterday on NJ 101.5 two of the hosts were going on and on about the millenials and how they haven't bought homes / moved out from their parent's house yet. Yeah gotta love how the "greatest generation" (was more the one before them but why quibble) left all these great rope ladders to success and prosperity which the boomers happily clambered up then when they reached the top turned around and cut the ropes behind them. They then proceed to forget that the very idea of moving out of our parent's house and buying their own is really a social dynamic that only really existed for their own generation and slam the following ones for not accomplishing the same with out those same advantages they were given. For most of human existence multi-generational homes were pretty much standard fair. We only really managed to move out of that model for an extremely short period of time thanks primarily to those rope ladders to success that they've spent their twilight years dismantling.
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Good Citizen posted:If I was going to split up the Republican Party it would be into the rationally self-interested, the tribalists, and the believers. Too complicated, If you want break up the GOP you have the hucksters and the suckers. Tab8715 posted:What's a supply sider? The political/economic embodiment of "The Field of Dreams". "if you build it they will buy it" I call it faith based economics because it relies on faith that people will somehow find the money to buy what ever crap you produce.
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Mr Interweb posted:Quick question: I hear quite often from libertarians that the only (or I guess, main reason) we have recessions and depressions is cause of the federal reserve. Supposedly without the fed constantly manipulating interest rates and increasing/decreasing the money supply, and going back to the gold standard, we'd never have to worry about such negative things occurring because "the free market(tm)" would naturally calibrate prices and so you wouldn't have bubbles developing and such. If libertarians had any grasp or economics or history they wouldn't be libertarians.
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PeterWeller posted:I like Obummer. It's not racist like Obongo or Osama or some of the others. It's just a dumb mildly insulting nick name like you'd make up in elementary school. Consider that in the context of the "DemocRat Party" discussion and you've pretty much identified the emotional maturity level of the average conservative. Thinking about it they're on about that cognitive level as well.
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Dirk Pitt posted:I happened to be driving during Hannity's radio show yesterday and decided to tune in. He played 'chilling audio' (I don't know where Hannity got a recording of it) where the imam of OKC was talking about how he knows the gentleman who went on fox and lied. About how fox was the only media outfit to disrespect their mosque and force their way in. About how they are being portrayed as villains on fox despite leading the charge in recent community disasters (tornadoes). And how the imam forgives him, and that there are thousands of people who would point by point take apart the guy's claims. Is it  if they really are Fascists?
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Babylon Astronaut posted:Is the name of that magazine supposed to be ironic? Not intentionally.
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Just remember the core tenet to right-wing rhetoric in the US is that government is bad and is incapable of doing anything effectively. Thus they have a tendency to get behind concepts that prove their argument. Or as Molly Ivin's once said "Republican's run on the premise that government can't do anything right and once elected proceed to do everything in their power to prove themselves right." So there should be little surprise that they'd be all for horrible ideas like term limits. It's also worth noting that the only reason there are term limits for the President is that the Republicans were mad that FDR thumped them 4 elections in a row and would probably have beat them a 5th time if he hadn't died.
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BiggerBoat posted:OK, OK. I didn't mean to attribute anti vaxxers solely to the left and I'd hate for it to muddy up my argument or derail the thread, even though most anti-vaxxers I know lean hard left. Doesn't matter. I just meant this whole "be afraid of everything all the time" poo poo is wearing me out and that once I started to tie it into the thread I realized that I get as much of this fear from left wing sources as I do from the Dittoheads. I think it's worth noting that while there is some overlap between the extreme right and far left on some things. The motivation behind their craziness is different. The left's positions tend to be based on distrust of authority with plenty of factual examples where such distrust has been warranted, while the right's tend to be based on fear of some vaguely defined amorphous threat. The anti-vax movement on the left is based on some very real documented and plausible concepts, such as the use of mercury based preservatives in vaccines and the understanding that there is an incentive to ignore negative effects by corporations (see global warning) the left wing anti-vac people think it's an issue of negligence or at worse willful ignorance rather than malice. As in doctors didn't intentionally overdose children with thimerosal they just didn't account for bio-accumulation so they didn't add up all the different vaccines that are given today. There is nothing irrational about that idea. Thimerosal is mercury based and mercury is a neurotoxin so it's not a huge leap from those facts to the conclusion that there might be a link between increased diagnoses of autism and increased use of vaccines. Add that to very real examples of corporations misleading consumers (see Cigarette industry) and they don't seem that crazy to me. The right on the other hand assumes that there are nefarious motives behind such things. Potential side affects from vaccines isn't the result of neglect or inattention but rather the calculated and intended result of the plots of "evil-doers". So just as they believe that fluoride is added to the water not to prevent tooth decay but in order to poison us by the evil new world order of lizard people/liberal elites engaged in a program of population control. They believe that vaccines are just another part of the same plot, after all there is no way an organization so powerful and evil would just put cyanide in the loving water and be done with it.
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Dr. Gargunza posted:If you're a right-winger? Yes. Or the preceding sentence.
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BiggerBoat posted:I don't think so but nice try I guess. Because for the most part these people know gently caress all about what's in their bible, which for what it's worth was an anthology of conflicting contradictory works that was compiled largely to give the clergy a useful scripture for whatever they wanted to justify on any particular day. A few years back I shared an office with a not super ideological but generic Christian Republican evangelical type. And we got to talking about religion and the Bible and I was finally "It's your loving Bible how do I know more about what's in it as an atheist then you do?" For the most part these people are just like the illiterate peasants of the middle ages, they go to church their pastor reads whatever passage they're going to twist to make whatever stupid racist, sexist bigoted argument in favor of the status quo and they just kind of dumbly nod along because if they actually spent the slightest amount of effort thinking about it and questioning it they'd be ostracized from their social group. I've said it before for the most part Republican voters aren't particularly ideological, they aren't deep thinkers who have spent a lot of time in introspection or reading a range of history or philosophy it's just a part of their cultural identity reinforced with a few bits of bumper sticker rhetoric that sounds reasonable if you just don't think about it too much. The pressure to conform in human societies is incredibly powerful and omnipresent. It's part of the problem that those of us who are liberal or on the left run into in that individually if you can get these people in a one on one engagement they aren't necessarily the fire breathing goose stepping chuds that we see at the Trump rallies, they're just normal, even likeable decent folks. It's just that the sociopaths who are their leaders have figured out how to manipulate them by triggering their fears and paranoia and the fear response shuts down higher cognitive functions as they shift into fight flight or freeze mode. That's why right wing propaganda is always about stoking fears and grievances, it is intentionally engineered to evoke fear, if you make people afraid they forget how to think, they are more susceptible to manipulation. That's why these propagandists on the RW media always lead with some new outrage because it starts that "yeah you're right those damned libtards and minorities and SJWs are always trying to" what ever horrible thing they're trying to rile them up about. Then their brains are open, their cognitive functions retarded and the propagandists starts filling their minds with poo poo. It's literal brain washing and mind control and it comes right in through their radios, TVs and internet devices. It's sophisticated well researched and financed by people how have a definite agenda. It's also why they demonize other sources of information so much, can't have alternative programing messing with source code. Can't have the rubes thinking too hard about things which is why they are anti-intellectual and anti-science why they only care about reading writing and arithmetic, you know the skills needed to produce what the masters want and accept and understand the programming. They hate public schools and liberal arts programs because if people are taught critical thinking skills they might actually turn them onto their own beliefs and can't have that. While I hate their leaders and programmers with the fires of a thousand suns I mainly feel sorry for the rank and file who never really had a chance against the sociopaths and the resources they have brought to bear against them.
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Shbobdb posted:There are a lot of reasons to be angry at NPR but adhering to journalistic standards wrt a crime isn't one of them. Except that quid pro quo isn't a crime, it should be the president engaged in a quid pro quo to allegedly extort the Ukrainian government to investigate a political rival. They admitted to the quid pro quo and their defense is that a quid pro quo isn't a crime, and technically that argument is correct. the "alleged" crime is bribery and extortion.
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twistedmentat posted:He'd use the size and weight of it to put the attacker off balance, and as Jamal is thrown out a window he screams "you got me Honky!" Maybe we should all engage in collective reverse psychology, "as I a liberal I'd really hate to see Bernie Sanders elected, the rich taxed into extinction and to see medicare for all and the Green New Deal passed. that would really trigger my lefty libtard brain and make me mad"
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Murgos posted:Is he going for, “well they are also anti-Semitic so, it’s alright if we are”? Or “they are anti-Semitic so we can’t be also”? I spent the evening arguing with some dumb chud on Twitter about how the left were anti-semitic because someone with BLM said something about destroying Israel then spamming various examples of individual Palestinians and Arabs doing bad things whenever I asked her if she supported collective punishment as if the actions of some desperate Palestinians somehow justified Israel's campaign of genocide. I just don't understand why people seem to believe that lovely actions of other people justify lovely actions of their own. But it seems to be core to CHUD thinking. That's always their excuse for supporting lovely Republicans who have committed some horrible thing, find some Democrat or leftist somewhere also did or said some lovely thing even slightly adjacent. Like using the whole "Obama put kids in cages too" when defending Trump's child separation policy. Like yeah Obama sucked on immigration so that somehow makes Trump sucking even more, acceptable? Why don't you just admit that you are OK with torturing children already? Also on their crazy conspiracy crap, they look at Trump who hides his taxes, owes hundreds of millions dollars to Russians, asks Russia to hack Hillary on national TV, fires the guy who is looking into his involvement with them and the election interference, sides with Putin in Helsinki over our own intelligence services and Republican Senate Intelligence Committee then has a private meeting with Putin that no one else other than his interpreter who is sworn to secrecy is privy to and then destroys the notes of and they're are all "yup seems legit" yet somehow they've grocked onto some massive "deep state" Democratic cabal of baby blood drinking pedophiles. Like come on you missed the most obviously compromised asset in human history but sure we're the sheeple. Those rascally Democrats who can keep a pedophile blood drinking cult completely secret but evil crooked Hillary can't slip some polonium into Trump's nightly 2 scoops of ice-cream? I used to think that they were just trolling but I'm truly beginning to think that a lot of them are really just that loving stupid.
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Panfilo posted:It's also how they'll simultaneously chortle at the idea of people moving out of California but freak out at the possibility those state refugees might vote in the same destructive policies in their new home. The people moving from California to Texas are mostly libertarian assholes upset that their "tax" dollars might be spent on policies that might actually help people. They aren't sending us their best people.
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Twelve by Pies posted:Not just Twitter chuds, Hannity was using it today too to justify it. So guess the right wing marching orders came out and it's "Well Biden started it by flying them to red states, so it's fair for DeSantis and Abbott to bus them to blue states!" As a native Texan I'd just like to point out that if all of the undocumented left the state it's economy would collapse overnight. These fuckers are stupid and it always seems like the most vocal of them on the subject are from states no where near a border.
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Twelve by Pies posted:It also frustrates me that Hannity was all "How about we promote legal immigration." Coming to the border and asking for asylum IS legal you racist gently caress! I like pointing out that for most of the history of this country legally immigrating pretty much came down to stepping off a boat. For the most recent immigrants in my ancestry it was just stepping off a boat and signing a book. Personally I'm all for going back to just stepping off a boat or walking across the border and I'd happily chip in to send the people who don't like it to a country with a government more to their liking, I hear that the CHUDs really like Putin.
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Jaxyon posted:Yes he means "white, wealthy" immigration when he says "legal". I know just how racist our system has been so don't get all "actually" here, I also give the general D&D denizens the benefit of the doubt that they will be familiar with things like the Chinese exclusion act. The people I'm aiming that comment at are the white people who like to go about how they're ancestors "legally" immigrated and it's not useful in that argument to point out the racist exceptions defining who could legally immigrate. But it is useful to remind them that those ancestors of their's didn't go through anywhere close to arduous and cumbersome process that exists for immigrants today. If they are aware enough to bring up some of America's horrible racist history towards non caucasians to justify their support of more stringent standards then they are just telling on themselves and that can be hung around their necks as well.
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BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:the man nearly lost his life in a shooting, I think it's entirely reasonable for him to have the means to defend himself. After Jan 6th, even moreso. https://twitter.com/WFLA/status/1578392669272809472?t=lvPg-Goe3GJxT127R6SIGQ&s=19 People who are this trigger happy should not be armed. You do know that most British cops do their jobs just fine without carrying a firearm.
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Lawdog69 posted:I can’t help but think that the only people these guys are catering to with hot takes like “the far left and neocons are the same” are just straight up morons. So weird to see the R attitude toward Russia snap from “eternal enemy” to “ally” over the course of like 10 yrs of Russia meddling with our elections. Then Russia takes a steaming dump on Ukraine and now they are bending over backwards promoting appeasement and compromise like “maybe if Ukraine just agrees to give up 30% of their territory Russia won’t come back for the remaining 70% in 10 years.” Take a listen to Maddow's Ultra, this is poo poo is very on brand for the nativists and the Robber Barons of the Republican party. Putin is a fascist and fascism is their jam.
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Angry_Ed posted:Wonder if Benny plagiarized his opinion Is it plagiarism if they received the talking point from their handlers?
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ErIog posted:Prosecutors are basically cowards, though, and anything going to trial in the first place is seen as a loss. This is why the vast majority of criminal cases are resolved with guilty pleas. They're scared of indicting Trump and then a jury finding him not guilty. This is not an unreasonable fear in this case. Go listen to Maddow's Ultra podcast about the last time we had to deal with a major Fascist movement in the United States. The Fash did the same loving thing the right is doing now, the only difference is that the lines weren't quite as partisan. The Nazis were running a propaganda campaign out of congress, enabled by their "America First" quislings and sympathizers using tax payer funded postage. They blew up multiple ammunition factories and were planning to violently overthrow the government. These weren't idle threats, they had stolen military weapons and had armed forces ready to move when the Justice Department were finally convinced to move on them they were acquitted at trial, well the foot soldiers were, the leaders managed to turn the trial into such a circus with the help of their allies in Congress to delay things until the judge hearing the trial died from a heart attack and the DOJ threw in the towel, then of course after the Nazis were defeated all of the evidence came out but of course we "moved on for the good of the country" Hell I'm apprehensive about this trial and I fully want Trump's rear end in prison. The amusing thing to me is the Republicans claiming that prosecuting Trump is evidence of a 2 tier justice system when the reality is that not prosecuting him because he's a former President would literally create another tier to our justice system. Of course we totally have a 2 tier justice system, one for the poor which tends to railroad the innocent and the one for the rich and powerful that tends to let the worst crooks off with little to no consequences. Trump is going through the second. Imagine if a defendant in that first system threatened the judge, DA and their families, could you imagine the judge gently admonishing them to stop them releasing them on their own recognizance? No because that poo poo wouldn't happen and woe to the regular person trying to pull that poo poo they'd spend the rest of their time waiting for the trial in jail. But not Trump he just flies home and goes right back to it. I for one am getting really loving tired of these judges white gloving these Nazi fuckers. But I digress, all it would take is one CHUD making it through the selection process and we're looking at a hung jury. Honestly we'd be so much better if the "Deep State" were real and just dropped some polonium in his ice-cream and blamed Putin for it. Oh and even if the jury does the right thing it wouldn't prevent Trump from running again and he's probably just looking at a fine anyway. But the MAGAts are acting like it's a capital case that's going to put him on death row.
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Discendo Vox posted:It appears very weird to consider surgery for that condition cosmetic. Yeah but Crowder is giant piece of poo poo so gently caress him.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-san-francisco-fire-commissioner-said-homeless-man-beat-metal-rod-ac-rcna81767 So to bring things away from a certain sunken chest this story was the top of All In tonight. I'd missed this particular story so forgive me if this has already come up. So apparently the CHUDs have been all fired up about this homeless guy beating up a former fire commissioner in San Francisco, but now that this thing is going to trial it comes out that there's more to the story and that before the homeless person assaulted the CHUD the CHUD assaulted the homeless guy first. What are the chances that this additional context will ever be mentioned in the Right-wing echosphere?
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predicto posted:The hole in the ozone layer was a nothing burger for the same reasons. Sure, almost the entire world banned overuse of CFCs at the same time but that doesn’t matter…The hole closed back up, so clearly all environmental concerns are exaggerated and global warming is fake. Acid loving rain. The insane thing is that most of his voters are my age older. We lived through that poo poo. Do these fuckers have no loving memory. It's like a weird kind of lack of object permanence. Edit wanted add PS. I was already working in tech in 2000. A big part of why it was a non thing is because we saw it coming a years away and fixed the issue in the places it could be an issue. My mother worked at Railroad commission in Texas with the programmers and they spent pretty much the entire period between 1998 and December 29 1999 going through code making sure they were 2YK compliant. Skex fucked around with this message at 03:07 on May 11, 2023 |
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mojo1701a posted:Oh, absolutely. It just seems to me that they used to straight-up ignore it, and now are openly saying that it never happened. Might just be me. The thing that happened over the last 6 years is that the right-wing echosphere has completely disconnected their audience from objective reality and anytime they allow even the slightest amount of reality into their bubble their audience punishes them. Look at what happened to Fox News after they correctly called Arizona in 2020. Instant loss of market share to the outfits that maintained the fantasy. The same happened again after firing Tucker Carlson and the Dominion fallout. It's something that actually gives me a little hope, the Right-wing echosphere has spent so much time effort and money telling the monstrous pieces of poo poo that make up their audience what they wanted to hear that any information that deviates is immediately rejected and the bearer of said new ejected and ostracized from the echosphere. This is bad for the Fash whose primary source of strength is their solidarity. The Right always has an advantage in discipline because they are natural followers and it works really well for them when they're all on the same page. When it was pretty much just Fox News, iHeart Media (formerly ClearChannel) Sinclair and a small number of closely coordinated organizations it was pretty easy to keep them on the same page. Now however with Russia and other foreign powers getting into the game, not to mention the near unlimited number of grifters in the Qnon movement it's going to get a lot harder for them to stay on the same page. Plus because they only ever credit information that reinforces their preferred world view they are unable to course correct in order to adjust for new information since anyone who tries to bring attention to that information is immediately discredited. They've underperformed 3 election cycles and I don't remember how many special elections since Trump took office and they just keep doubling down on the same unpopular ideas because they've convinced themselves that they really are winning. They are a loud well financed minority, but they are a minority just the same. More importantly they are a shrinking minority and the more successful they are in enacting their insane ideas the smaller of a minority they become. But in the end their real weakness is that if you only believe what you want to believe then you are hobbling your ability to react to actual bad news. If you don't believe the iceberg you are rapidly approaching actually exists then you can't course correct around it, which explains why they just keep doubling down on abortion bans which are unpopular even with Republicans. All that said it also explains why these ridiculous counter-factuals are so common on the right because anyone who tries to correct them are immediately discounted as "fake news".
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Yeah. Why go to a FOX News tribute band when the original act is still touring? A significant number of CHUDs have decided that Fox News is too liberal, they definitely aren't going to switch to the "Clinton News Network" when Newsmax and OAN exist. That anyone thought this was a good idea is just more evidence falsifying the premise of a positive correlation between wealth and intelligence.
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/ I keep this link handy to educate people that trans people were one of the first groups targeted by the Nazis. This clinic performed the first successful gender reassignment surgery and the Nazis destroyed it and destroyed every bit of research they could find. Trans people are natural targets for the insecure men attracted to what I have taken to calling Mussolini's cult of fragile masculinity the mere suggestion that gender is not innate and inherent triggers there insecurities and since since they tend to emotionally stunted the lash out at trans people to prove just how "manly" they are. Same thing happens with all homophobes, it's not that they are secretly gay. It's that they believe that their peers will accuse them of being gay so they lash out, like most things conservatives do it's all virtue signaling "if I were gay I would I be beating this f$$* up?" It pisses me off to no end when I see Democrats, leftists or purported liberals suggesting that maybe we shouldn't die on this hill to which I say gently caress that. Never again means never again, no one gets sacrificed to the Fash. Even if you think that it's icky or weird or whatever you have to recognize that the way a fascist minority (and they are always a minority) gains power is by sewing division amongst their enemies. Fascists always target the least powerful first, they go for the freaks and weirdos because most normies don't identify with those freaks and weirdos so they don't circle the wagons around them. Which is always a mistake because every group sacrificed for temporary piece reduces the ability to fight back. There is a reason herd animals will circle the weak and vulnerable when faced with a predator. It's because it doesn't matter how juicy that elephant calf looks those angry mama's and bulls will generally convince a predator to look elsewhere for a meal. We need to all become those angry protectors. Liberals leftists and progressives need to look those fascists down and make it clear in no uncertain terms that they not get a free meal and that even if they could win they're going to pay in blood and pain. I also like to remind folks that the reason the Nazis are the most reviled group in human history isn't because of their economic policies. It's that they built and operated literal murder factories, not just work camps where one will probably die, but literal factories that existed for no reason other than to murder men women and children then dispose of their remains. Stalin was a monster as were colonialists and tyrants throughout history but no group has ever matched the cold calculating evil of the Nazis. The MAGAts may not be there yet but that's where they are headed so they have to be stopped.
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Panfilo posted:Chuds have appropriated that story by implying that it was the Nazis themselves super into transgenderism and equivocating doctors performing gender reassignment surgery to Dr. Mengle performing horrific atrocities. The fact that Nazis lie doesn't change reality and frankly trying to convince them is pointless, the objective is to bring all of those the CHUDs hate together for common collective defense. Oh don't remember if this came up yet but assume everyone remembers that "Rich men north of Richmond" dude the CHUDs were all excited about. https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1695153139941265479?t=YsYMrxAzQybLrNkTKfBw0Q&s=19 Turns out he doesn't want to be associated with them and says that he got a chuckle out of them playing the song at the debate because it was written about them and definitely wasn't about Joe Biden.
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Aug 25, 2023 22:36
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BiggerBoat posted:A lot of them do this, actually. It's a tactic Karl Rove perfected where you accuse your "enemies" of doing exactly what it is that you are doing. It's why so many talk radio hosts and listeners refer to leftists as fascists. That and the fact that most of the rubes who support them don't actually know what fascism is, that's my personal definition of a Nazi. A Nazi is a fascist who doesn't know that they are a fascist. Fits with the original definition which was based on the German word for idiot/country bumpkin, seems fitting.
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FFT posted:The economy was doing great in Bush's first term. No it wasn't, he literally oversaw the end of the dot com/tech boom. Personally I'm convinced that it was due to his bad mouthing the economy combined with his tax cuts and friendliness to off shoring which allowed the bosses to stop having to pay people who actually understood how technology works and just move all of their call centers to Bangladesh. I started the Bush years making $70k a year as a Regional Program manager for a company installing high speed internet into apartment complexes with a fat portfolio of stock options. Then the crash happened the company went out of business it took 23 years to get back to same pay before I was laid off this week. Bush was in rough shape and extremely unpopular between the crashed economy and his ill conceived and poorly timed attempt to privatize social security. In fact my first observation as the dust was still settling in New York was that this solved Bush's problems.
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Space Fish posted:Haley not laughing in Hannity's face is an incredible show of restraint. Why would you waste an opportunity at the most punchable face on the planet with a gut punch? As for Haley not laughing in his face she's a Republican politician who regularly claims Republicans aren't racist after she literally changed her name to something more "white" so they would vote for her so I'd say that she perfectly adept at keeping a straight face in response to complete idiocy. It's kind of a GOP job requirement.
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