A Neurotic Jew posted:

https://twitter.com/SandiGardiner/status/776495439268814848

thatguy posted:

For better or worse; it's happening.

Mirificus posted:

A Socioeconomical Perspective on Grim Hex

Edited for BLUF (aka TL:DR): In the absence of a structured institutionalized government, mankind will always find itself organized in order to pursue common goals, even if loosely. Through said organization, paramount among all other aspects would be security, as without security, even if only offering a false perception of security, there would be no incentive to form a collective body (i.e. a port of Grim Hex).

The devs should look for a way to decentivize anti-social behavior around social hubs, while protecting individual rights to play and experience the game in a manner that is free and in the spirit of freedom of choice in the Universe. The OP suggests that this decentivization come in the form of harsh consequences in the form of automated NPC security guards, while still allowing the player the ability to commit such crimes in a specified vicinity (i.e. you can fire on other players, as you are able to now, but when you do so within the vicinity of Grim Hex, then pirate security guards will be alerted and attack you).


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As I exited the "they've gone plaid" that is quantum travel into the Yela meteor belt, I quickly located and closed in towards the bustling pirate oasis that is Grim Hex. Touted to be the Crusader System's "Mos Eisley," Grim Hex is a (near) lawless haven of scum and villainy; just the place I'm looking for.

As I piloted my Gladius closer, a Hornet, having recently left the facility, passed by me in the opposite direction, roughly 5000 km away. A safe distance, in these parts. When I had finally arrived at my destination, strafing up over the horizon of the rock formation protecting the mining facility from outside onlookers, I quickly identified two things; first was a landing zone for me to set down my ship, and the second was another Hornet, hovering over the facility and staring right at me. I immediately halted, preparing for a fight to just enter this hollowed out rock; but the Hornet didn't move, and I slowly approached and landed without any incident. As I scurried to find the entrance, having no prior knowledge of any sort of firearm prohibition (a'la Port Olisar), I noticed that the Hornet, now moving, was still pointed directly at me, now on foot, running through the corridors to find the entrance. Finally, after an excitingly uneventful five to ten minutes; I had found, landed, and entered into Grim Hex, where weapons were not permitted to be used inside of the facility.

A few minutes later, while running around Grim Hex, I heard some shooting from ships outside, then an explosion, and noticed that my ship had been blown up.

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What's the point of me telling this story?

The point is to bring some additional thought to the, presumptive, anarchist paradise that is Grim Hex, and to the vast array of follow-on sister locations where pirates and ne'er-do-wells will seek to congregate.

Most of us have seen the glorious motion picture that is Star Wars: Episode 4. The idea of a near-lawless bastion of freedom, such as Mos Eisley, appeals to many people [insert political rhetoric about small government here]. However, Grim Hex, as it stands today in the game (before you hit that "Comment" button; yes, I know; everything is subject to change; that's why I'm posting this perspective for discussion), is not realistic on the grounds of socioeconomics.

Yes, I can suspend many beliefs of astro-mining facilities being suspended with cables (or whatever they are) to asteroids in a belt around a barren moon; I follow all of that. But the economist inside of me can't suspend the belief that, at the root core, Grim Hex is a port, and ports exist for one singular reason: to make money (especially if ran by pirates).

In order for any business, inside of Grim Hex, to be successful, it must make money. In order to make money, it must have a steady flow of supply and demand (yes, this is a very simplistic argument for S&D, I'm not about to discuss the Invisible Hand of Capitalism and theories by Hayek, Adam Smith, Milton Friedman, etc in a forum about a space sim; let's just go with this for the sake of argument). Supplies must be able to freely flow into Grim Hex, and customers (demand) must be able to freely flow into, and out of, Grim Hex. If customers are unable to freely flow into the port, then the businesses will leave; when the businesses leave, then the port will cease to exist.

Let's look at this in a modern concept. All political and social joking aside, if customers were genuinely afraid of risking their lives to enter into a mall, then there would be no reason for businesses to pay the mall to have a storefront. Businesses would leave, and the mall would have to close down.

This is the same with Grim Hex. In a realistic scenario, if people were genuinely concerned that they'll be killed while trying to get into the port, then they simply won't go to said port, and the businesses within would leave. If people didn't have the ability to "magically" revive inside of Grim Hex, given their wanted level, then it's likely that, given a more severe punishment to enter and exit (as is expected in launch), they simply wouldn't go there. Therefore, in order to best maintain a port, one must properly, and securely, incentivize customers to conduct business at said port.

Furthermore, on a sociological perspective of this, it is safe to assume that Grim Hex would, in fact, not be an "anarchist paradise" (to use my earlier phrase), but would actually have its security maintained by the owner/s of Grim Hex, or by a security firm (either legitimate or illegitimate). Using the Mos Eisley example, the Hutts, a criminal mob organization, provided for most of the "goings on" and protection within the system, and there was even an agreement between the Hutts and the Empire in order to maintain security of the region.

So from a sociological perspective, mankind (and by extension, alienkind, given that they are, currently, a figment of our imaginations) will always seek to form protective societies; even if said society is thought to be an uncontrolled conglomerate of individuals.

A modern day parallel of this would be that of Somali pirates. Somalia, being a near-lawless failed state (see also, basically anarchy), provided a safehaven for pirates to join together and conduct raiding parties on civilian ships. Within these roving bands of pirates, there was still structure and organization providing for security within the "in group." Though I'm not an expert on this particular subject (my experience comes from the Middle East), I would have to imagine that it was not common for Somali pirates to murder one another as they conducted their business, or else they would be unable to work together for their collective goals.

So, too, would be the case in a galaxy far far away, one would have to conclude, based on human behavior.

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My proposal, for consideration, would be to NOT implement a firearm prohibition, like the one at Port Olisar, around Grim Hex. Instead, I would argue that there would be swift and deadly punishment for anyone who breaks the implied "truce" within the area of protection by the owner/s of Grim Hex, or its security forces.

Any sort of inappropriate behavior, within a protected area, would be seen as a violation of the social code of conduct, and would, as one can imagine, result in being a "marked man," who could expect to not live very long.


Just something to consider, as we enter and exit Grim Hex at our own risk, wondering if it's worth the effort just to buy those sweet new kicks and a "Lies" t-shirt.

starkebn posted:

how can they claim fidelity of simulation if not for 1st and 3rd person synched animations? Next you're going to tell me simulating the oxygen level in the bloodstream is too much effort and they should just have a oxygen meter?

A Neurotic Jew posted:

Mirificus posted:

D1E posted:

Oh yeah? Well you've obviously never heard of the Wing Commander series, or a little game called Freelancer then goonie.

Chris Roberts has proven himself to be the greatest space video game designer in the history of the world and it is you who clearly does not understand game development.

D1E posted:

Where is the "burn leakers at a stake" option?

lazorexplosion posted:

the top comment about how they should close the subreddit to information about development so as to preserve CIG's open development.

Marching Powder posted:

They are the most pathetic, sycophantic community I have ever seen in my entire life. Further, it would be great if an intern from CIG could poo poo into my open mouth.

A Neurotic Jew posted:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/53wrwo/meta_the_evocati_nda_breaches_and_rstarcitizen/d7x0bbw

Sankis posted:

Are NDAs that are just glorified TOS anymore of a "legally binding agreement" than said terms of service agreements?

I remember back in the day when there was a new MMO beta coming out every other week I'd signed up for some that had actual NDAs that required me to sign something and send it back. Though I don't think i ever did because I was like fifteen and that sounded like a bad idea to just play some lovely mmo beta for a month

MeLKoR posted:

L-O-L, how old are you?

MeLKoR posted:

I'm an old aswell, that's why your naivete astounded me. I've been around enough assholes that lie and lie even when they have nothing to gain from it. Throw money into this mix and you're incredulous someone could lie without feeling an ounce of remorse? poo poo, I've known people that could beat someone up and be laughing and playing like nothing had happened 2 minutes later.

They're not crazy, they're assholes and there are plenty more of them around than you seem to think.

Con men aren't your average person, they're predators, they think only of themselves and don't give a rat's rear end about anyone else.

MeLKoR posted:

"Please make this game a sausage fest, I want to be fully immersed in dicks!"

Now here is something you don't read everyday.

Charles Get-Out posted:

But what if Star Citizen starts having too many women in it??? Think about immersion.

Beet Wagon posted:

The thing is, the whole "women in the military" argument doesn't even apply here. It's a future space ship game set in the FUTURE. There are spaceship windows that are as tough as armor, and spooky aliens whose spaceships defy the laws of physics, and all sorts of other magical bullshit that they had to handwave away with some "lore". So just say "Ah poo poo I dunno, we cracked the genetic code so all commandos are equally whatever at shooting mans" and bam, job done.

trucutru posted:

You'll probably have to pledge at least a thousand buckaroos to be able to use that specific skin.

Barn Folk posted:

Wulf Knight will be the one man welcoming committee. You just have to give him your phone number.

Raskolnikov posted:

I enjoyed your heartfelt post commando. It made me think.

Mirificus posted:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/53zal7/derek_smart_on_twitter_my_latest_star_citizen/d7xo0r8

A Neurotic Jew posted:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/540a1m/can_we_please_refer_to_the_pu_as_the_verse_from/

Hav posted:

lotta cis-facist heteronormative's ITT with their binary agenda. Bet you're a shoe-haver as well.

Marching Powder posted:

i really want to know where it is. the tipping point for this clown car. it's easy to think that cig is able to gently caress up with impunity, but we've had a 10k backer refund with a hilarious accompanying begging letter indicating that a) cracks are showing for the insanely invested and b) cig are more than a little desperate.

according to theagent, 3.0 after the prelude, so q3 / q4 2017 at the earliest, with expectations for the netcode refactor already pre-lowered saying the fully operational netcode refactor isn't due until 3.1 (or even later!) so star citizen will almost certainly be a completely broken tech demo into 2018. and even if they fix the netcode issue (for 16 players), they still have to design and implement the most ambitious game of all time in 2 years for 2020.

cool.

D1E posted:

Not after it wins ten Academy Awards including best picture and best director!

Daztek posted:

http://www.kotaku.co.uk/2016/09/23/inside-the-troubled-development-of-star-citizen



http://www.pcgamer.com/eight-month-investigation-lifts-the-lid-on-star-citizens-troubled-development/

AP posted:

CIG shouldn't have responded to questions for that I think, there's just more blood in the water now for the media. Responding let them try to spin it but Citizens will actually read it now for the buried CIG quotes.

Hav posted:

Roles. 'Skank #4' usually requires a neck tattoo.

Edit: Could have gone for 'dead hooker #4', but I wanted to keep it classy.

nigga crab pollock posted:

i read this bit on the toilet when google now gave me that kotaku article and i honestly can't believe he said this

is chris roberts even remotely involved in the development process? has he ever even played a cryengine game?

stinch posted:

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

He somehow thinks his generic grey babby's first spacey game in 12-16fps looks as good as or better than the Order 1886 so take that as you will

D1E posted:

I'm pretty sure he has three more Porsches than you, and probably sleeps on six-thousand thread count sheets with a famous actress by his side.

And vacations ten times per year.

Sounds like a case study on exactly how to do things.

A Neurotic Jew posted:

http://imperialnews.network/2016/09/drilling-to-the-heart-of-kotaku/

Charles Get-Out posted:

There's something I don't understand.

Why does CIG need a global set of studios with 300+ employees anyways? People talk about how SC has had it tough cause it takes time to establish the studios, company, and staff, but was that really necessary or a good use of CIG's time and resources? It sounds like Erin's Foundry 42 staff makes the lion's share of the work product anyways and that's just 30 or 40 dudes.