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evilweasel posted:I thought that too, and then the Post dropped another big one last night. Jesus, I somehow missed that the Post dropped something else. I guess it got lost in the bombing stuff.
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Willo567 posted:Really? Trump may launch a strike on North Korea? If that happens. what then? A horrifying human atrocity but probably not the end of mankind. It's also not going to happen.
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May 24, 2017 20:46
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Trabisnikof posted:Lol if you think this is the CBO scoring Ryan or McConnell want. If it can pass reconciliation it is, isn't it? I mean they can't actually claim they care about the impact when they rushed to beat the CBO score.
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May 24, 2017 21:47
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Trabisnikof posted:Realize they had to have the house pass a bill that will raise premiums, cut off insurance for 50+ million and give massive tax breaks to the wealthy, just to have the senate replace the entire bill anew. All those town halls and any blowback they get over this (and there will be tons because healthcare matters to individuals) will be for a loving nothing bill. The GOP doesn't have reluctant and moderate voters. They literally do not care about anyone else but themselves. The trick is convincing them that this hurts them and not minorities and that would involve them listening to non-Drudgeland arguments.
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May 24, 2017 21:55
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theflyingorc posted:...the fox news demographic would have their insurance go up by $10k a year. that's a problem The fox news demographic accepting that is the GOP's fault is going to involve making them listen to the fact that it's the GOP and not Democrats Ruining Our Bill. If they force the 'first part' through they can just blame the Democrats for things getting worse. (This is obviously nonsense bullshit but so is everything the GOP says and it keeps working.)
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May 24, 2017 21:58
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May 24, 2017 22:00
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May 24, 2017 22:03
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Trabisnikof posted:Not everyone who votes Republican is a Drudge reader and Nazi lover. The former maybe but the latter absolutely. Donald Trump said literally everything he was going to do. They voted for him anyway. There is absolutely no case to be made for it. The most positive reading is "they assumed he was lying" which means they voted for someone they thought was lying about doing terrible things and assumed the risk that he'd do them was worth it. Even if they don't support him now they did when it mattered and only changed their mind because it hurt them personally.
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May 24, 2017 22:14
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Trabisnikof posted:Or instead of going "I love nazis" they could be ignorant and desperate and think things like "Democrats are coming for my guns" or "American Healthcare sucks and Trump wants to change it" or "He's bringing the factories back!!!" etc etc etc. Ignorance and desperation isn't a defense and it needs to stop being an excuse. The same wouldn't be accepted in the opposite direction. It can explain things but it isn't an excuse and shouldn't be apologized for.
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May 24, 2017 22:33
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Trabisnikof posted:You're making the exact same "just world" style argument conservatives make. Maybe people are ignorant and desperate for reasons outside their control? No I'm not. I'm saying they are grown adults who are making decisions. They need to be treated like adults and not like children. The constant desperation to treat rural Americans (and ONLY rural Americans) as these poor snowflakes who are just so left behind and deserve the lightest of feather touches makes no sense. Their suffering deserves to be understood but it doesn't excuse them taking that suffering and using it as a barrier against criticism. Trabisnikof posted:Regardless, I don't really give a flying gently caress about excuses or whatever, the entire point is that they're not ideologically "nazi lovers" if they're voting out of ignorance or desperation. People who supported the Nazis didn't do it because they were cackling cartoon super-villains. (For the most part.) Desperation and ignorance and fear played into that as well. It doesn't change what they supported. They are absolutely ideologically Nazi lovers for the same reason. They want what it's offering, or enough of it that they're willing to look over people being hosed if they get it. (And of course the great irony and tragedy is they won't even get it.) Trabisnikof posted:Those ignorant voters can be wedged from the ideological Nazis by trying to educate them. Those desperate voters can be wedged from the ideological Nazis by trying to offer them better options. Things that drive down turnout from potential Republican voters help Democratic election chances and it is worth wedging as many of the non-Nazis as we can every time the Republicans do Nazi poo poo. How do you offer them education and better opinions if they have no access to it?
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May 24, 2017 22:50
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Covok posted:That's all you're going to find in the head of a trump voter or republican in general. They are just animal they are not human. Do not expect anything related to empathy from them. Empathy comes from humans. Cruelty comes from Republicans. I genuinely can't tell if you're trolling or insane.
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May 24, 2017 22:51
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:This is bullshit. A GOP politician who physically assaulted a reporter on the eve of the election while simultaneously working to take healthcare away from his voters is going to win an election tomorrow. It absolutely isn't.
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May 25, 2017 02:58
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:It doesn't matter one way or the other because a Republican in a heavily conservative district is actually having to fight, and if he wins it's going to be relatively narrow Thus why it's half and not the entire country. It doesn't change the fact that he is going to win and "close" doesn't matter in the slightest when a candidate who physically assaulted someone on the eve of the election can't lose an election.
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May 25, 2017 03:02
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Quist is not going to win but it will be hilarious if his opponent gets arrested right afterwards.
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May 25, 2017 03:59
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theflyingorc posted:Ok so - you don't loving know, you're basing it on nothing I know because it's an insanely absurdly safe Republican district where the news is about how it's close but Quist has never been ahead at any point. Our President was caught discussing sexual assault shortly before the election and had a number of women come out to claim they assaulted him and still won and he was facing longer odds than this. Republicans do not care. They might care about the AHCA thing but enough to turn a safe district into a D win is unlikely.
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May 25, 2017 04:06
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theflyingorc posted:All the data we have about the unpredictability of special elections? Ha! No, not a thing. I know what will happen because I, forums poster, have special knowledge You leap onto the smallest bit of optimism and stretch it to "but you don't KNOW it can't happen!!" and then get pissy and upset when people don't agree with your wild hope. It'll be nice if it happens but your utter confidence he's going to win is far less justified.
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May 25, 2017 04:11
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theflyingorc posted:....I don't have confidence, you giant moron. My entire point is that this is still up in the air. One of us is "Hillary can't possibly lose" in this argument, and it isn't me. You're having a freakout because I said he isn't going to win. So, yeah, it's entirely you. Rigel posted:They went from "after a long, hard struggle we fought our way up to being a slight underdog, we just might win this thing, but it'll be close" to "holy loving poo poo..... uhhh.... we just need to not gently caress up for 24 hours and its over!" Honestly he shouldn't be scripted. He needs to go all-out and burn hard. Pushing people to want to vote FOR him is the hill to overcome since his opponent has the 'vote against me' thing wrapped up tight.
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May 25, 2017 04:19
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theflyingorc posted:Uh duhhhh durrrrrr duhhhhhhh No, I'm just tired of you freaking out the second anyone doesn't leap into your "everything is great and it's all going to be great and just be hopeful' hugparty, where any time I post something remotely negative in this thread you come at me like a frigging rabid honey badger. Buca di Bepis posted:gently caress off, your white noise posting is repetitive and awful So report me and move on. v  v
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May 25, 2017 04:22
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theflyingorc posted:So you can't read while you post the same garbage again and again. Mysteriously I make a bunch of posts in this and the previous thread where I don't have you leaping at me out of nowhere. You only do it when I post something negative at which point you start screaming about how it's all I post. I'm certain that's a coincidence.
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May 25, 2017 04:27
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empty whippet box posted:Dem turnout will be boosted by the win regardless, in fact maybe more. This gives a wildcard factor to pretty much any election - you never know, the republican might suddenly commit a felony right before the election, show up and loving vote. The sad thing is that especially with the current state of the Republican party this isn't even a joke.
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May 25, 2017 04:30
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Alter Ego posted:Dollars to donuts this person is a lifelong Republican who's never pulled the lever for anyone except the guy with the R next to his name. "Decorum and common sense but also voted for Donald Trump" feels like a group that can't be very large. Edit: That doesn't rule out "People who didn't vote but want to vote against the crazy bodyslam guy" though.
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May 25, 2017 15:31
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ThePeavstenator posted:I mean there was a literal civil war 150 years ago and we aren't there yet Saying we recovered from the civil was is pretty optimistic. We're still fighting people who fly the confederate flag.
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Z. Autobahn posted:No, I know, I'm not trying to say "both sides are equally bad", obviously Republicans are vastly worse. I'm just saying, I see some posturing like "how could ANYONE vote for a candidate who assaults a reporter, our nation is DOOMED" when most of us would still pull the lever for a D who did the same. It speaks more to me about how insanely divided the two parties are, and how incredibly hard it would be to get someone who's politically passionate to change their mind. If a Democratic candidate chokeslammed a reporter who was asking them about taking health care from 20 million people I would not vote for them.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Cool. Now to wait for someone here to tell us why this is a bad thing. Well, I wasn't going to say it but "In a 5-4 decision, thanks to Supreme Court Justice Gorsuch..." (It's a good thing but let's keep in mind there's more to go.)
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May 25, 2017 19:06
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Sinteres posted:One thing about Trump is that he doesn't give a poo poo how obvious his lies are, he's going to tell them anyway. It is remarkable how Trump seems to think everyone in the world has no memory.
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May 25, 2017 19:07
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RuanGacho posted:America the blindfolded princess. According to the writer Buttercup is pretty and everyone tells her she's exceptional but she's actually kind of dumb and self-absorbed and constantly fucks up. So, yeah, pretty much.
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May 25, 2017 20:29
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Blitz7x posted:Jesus yall, did no one live through the early 00's? We had these same exact conversations about Bush Jr. The suspension of elections, the slow downturn into dementia (heres a YouTube video of campaign speeches vs Press conferences where he says Uh a whole lot and has a bunch of brainfarts, clearly mental health issues). Trump is a big dumb dumb who will lead an ineffectual Presidency until he gets replaced in 2020 Are you genuinel claiming that Bush Jr was ineffectual and not caused horrifying long-lasting damage and lead to ridiculous deaths?
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May 30, 2017 15:55
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androo posted:FYI candidate Zuckerberg isn't gonna be a thing because he's wildly uncharismatic and billions of dollars doesn't seem to be helping with that. Stop talking about candidate Zuck like that poo poo is happening. On the other hand Donald Trump is president.
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May 30, 2017 18:37
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Timby posted:I'm seeing some articles reporting that Conway is saying Trump is considering using executive privilege to block Comey's testimony. At what point do you get actual riots?
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Alter Ego posted:If Trump finds out he can use executive privilege to stop Comey testifying, he will absolutely try it. It'll piss off Congress something fierce, but I fully expect John McCain to just be "deeply disturbed" or "very troubled" or whatever the hell he is these days. "John McCain spends every single moment of his life thinking about the fact that Donald Trump is more electable than he is."
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empty whippet box posted:lol if he obstructs justice to prevent testimony that said he obstructed justice The thing I think would be even more amazing is if he obstructed justice to prevent testimoney that said he didn't actually obstruct justice but he's panicking because he thinks it does.
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Skex posted:I find the whole concept of Alpha/beta when it comes to human social structures to be silly to begin with, We just aren't that kind of animal. Isn't the stupid Alpha/Beta thing not even true for wolves?
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Reminder that obamacare is actually extremely bad garbage and the US has the worst health care of any first world country on the entire earth and it was just better than not having it instead of being good and people don't deserve to die for wishing it was something better even if their idea of what would help is factually incorrect. Nobody who voted for Trump thought he was going to replace it with something better for everyone unless they are too stupid to actually be able to breathe. They thought he would gently caress over people they didn't like. The constant attempts to reframe it as good-natured ignorance and 'aw shucks, we didn't know" is just giving them an excuse. sit on my Facebook posted:If the necessary precondition for good healthcare policy is "the general public meaningfully understands healthcare policy" then we are totally hosed They openly and willingly voted for this. It is 100% their fault. "We got tricked!!" doesn't count until the exact moment they begin marching against him and actively taking action. Feeling bad doesn't matter an iota to the hundreds of thousands of people whose lives they ruined. Why do people keep insisting they deserve sympathy from the people they're harming, but never expect them to give sympathy to those people? ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Jun 8, 2017 |
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I think this thread has broken me. People saying things like "piddly" and "steam" just reinforces the all-consuming pee tape narrative.
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galenanorth posted:Marco Rubio just tried to cast shade on Comey for leaks that happened from within the Senate Intelligence Committee, regarding there being or not being an investigation, after the Senate Intelligence Committee was to blame for the leak of his letter to them about Anthony Weiner. This whole thing has cleared up a lot of misgivings that people have had about Comey, that he intentionally did that to undermine the Clinton campaign because he's a Republican, and that he went public with the Clinton investigation because they told him to call it a "matter" and because of Bill Clinton's meeting with the Attorney General on the airport tarmac. I, too, suspected he was using his office to try to sway the election, but this hearing has persuaded me that he has acted with the intentions of a model American citizen. No, he totally did it because he was a Republican, he just expected Trump to lose and it to be a useful talking point against Clinton, not to help Trump win.
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I really genuinely do not understand how you can mention Clinton's Emails in a post-Trump era and not burst into sheer flames of hypocrisy.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:https://twitter.com/AP/status/87284...ed64337f69e%2F0 I really genuinely can not loving understand how "He isn't smart enough to be President" isn't followed by "So we should have someone else." He isn't starting his first week at Burgers N' Buns.
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