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Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


VitalSigns posted:

Now that that's over, how do we go about ceding Florida back to Spain, can we just unilaterally renege on the annexation treaty?

Civil War 2: Nah, go ahead, we won't stop you this time

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Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


The antics of the clowns performing in the circus need to be genuine. If they aren't, I can't choke down the moldy bread. This is very important.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


Synthbuttrange posted:

Hey white people, when POC adopt white names, its because we're tired of you butchering our real names or yelling at us for having hard to pronounce names in front of the entire class.

'Alexandria' is not particularly exotic anyways.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


No politician has gotten people super hyped before and then disappointed. Right? Right??

(I'm not making any predictions here, just cautioning people not to do the whole cult of personality thing)

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


Jack2142 posted:

Gen X is just the silent generation v2.0

Speaking as one myself, being largely politically irrelevant is what we're used to and if that ever changed I think it would freak us the hell out.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


KillHour posted:

I read this entire article just to find out what she said when they inevitably asked her "Who is he supposed to be hurting?" and they NEVER ASKED HER THAT. How do you not ask that?

"...Ms. Minton, a 38-year-old secretary..."

She was born in 1981. Keep this in mind when you guys imagine the glorious future when the boomers are gone and millennials usher in the new progressive utopia.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


Mantis42 posted:

I mean, I do.

I hope you don't actually? What I want is for immigration law to be reformed and streamlined so that no one needs to risk their life crossing a desert. It should be so simple to apply for a guest worker visa, to convert that to a permanent residency visa, and eventually get full citizenship that illegal immigration drops to zero. Basically, reconcile the law with the ground truth.

Surely that's what you want right?

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


sexpig by night posted:

basically why do the people coming here need visas at all, what purpose does that give other than a way for the government to separate them from 'real' citizens and abuse them

Employers dodge payroll taxes by hiring undocumented workers. Legal, simple to obtain visas would prevent that. (And no, I don't think predicating immigration reform on a world communist revolution is pragmatic.)

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


sexpig by night posted:

I mean, this literally would never happen unless there was a major political revolution in America anyway so why can't I answer that with 'there also needs to be massive labor reforms that allow protection of all workers regardless of citizenship'

Really? I actually think meaningful immigration reform in the next few years is pretty likely...

e: like, it will probably be the top agenda item the next time Dems control both the White House and Congress... which is probably 2021, hopefully

Family Values fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Jan 9, 2019

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007



This is some fine work. Like, separately from the intended message (which I also approve of), someone spent a lot of time and effort making this.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


I'm really looking forward to the foreign press coverage of literal paper-wrapped fast food being served in the White House dining room. Embarrassing.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


Brexit is the Putin (i.e. chaos) option and should be opposed for that reason alone.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


Battling the fossil fuel lobby just isn't challenging enough. We should also add overcoming the anti-nuke lobby to the list before we do anything about climate change.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


luxury handset posted:

nah, hoteps are pro-black misogynist lunatics. this guy seems like your average insane evangelical racist conservative white guy, but in a black man's body

Huh, 'hotep' is a new one to me. Did we really need a special name for misogynists who happen to be black, or is there more to it than that?

(I'm really slow on things like this since I don't do social media. I'm still trying to figure out if 'chud' is a DJT supporter, a member of the alt-right, or just any conservative)

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


Lightning Knight posted:

I dunno but everyone over 35 is old as hell imo.



The joke is that millenials are following the same trajectory as their boomer parents.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


A lot of generational stuff is marketing bullshit, but there's a bit of truth to it, both the shared experiences thing and also the sheer arithmetic – that there was a dip in the birth rate in the late 60s and early 70s, which was both preceded and followed by peaks in the birth rate – is objective fact, and those numbers affect things.



The boomers have had outsized influence simply by outvoting everyone else until recently.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007



My concern with further weakening the filibuster is that there's a looming demographic crisis for the Senate where pretty soon something like 30% of the population is going to control 70% of the Senate because of the hollowing out of the flyover states. But that crisis is going to happen anyway, so maybe it doesn't matter I guess.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


Ralepozozaxe posted:

How much would it cost to have mimes pantomiming walls all along the border at all times?

Why do you want to drown hundreds of mimes in the middle of the Rio Grande River?

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


Charlz Guybon posted:

I wonder what the numbers are on Generation Z.
Also, I wonder when they're going to get a better name than that?

https://twitter.com/DataProgress/status/1087435480940101632

It's just too loving perfect that gen-x can't reach 50% for either agree or disagree.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


PT6A posted:

I dunno, probably a societal shift from sex being considered shameful or intensely private, to people being more open about it, to women finally having enough power to say "hey it's cool that we can be open about sex now, but stop it with the loving harassment you jackasses." Boomers probably couldn't or didn't consider getting away with the poo poo that old Xers got away with, so they aren't feeling the loss as hard.

Older Xer here, we definitely didn’t get away with more sex stuff than the boomers. We were squarely in the ‘SEX=DEATH’ AIDS panic.

I don’t have an alternative explanation though.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


sincx posted:

She's not great on policy but boy oh boy is she great on tactical stuff.

I get the impression that this fact is coming as a surprise to a lot of people, and I can only assume they weren't paying attention in 2006. She's always been good at this.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


VideoGameVet posted:

Have you seen any polls on the subject? MFA is wildly popular for one.

A socialist healthcare system would be something like the UK's NHS, and we'd have to nationalize all the hospitals and clinics and have the government directly operate them. I don't think anyone in the US is seriously proposing this.

E: I have nothing against the NHS, just saying it's not on the table here.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


bird cooch posted:

Nancy Pelosi is the leader of her caucus. if the caucus is more progressive that's the way she leads, if it's more conservative that's the way she leads. She is the person who knows best what will actually pass.

I don't know why people are so hung up on this one person theory. Mitch McConnell acts the way he does because that's the way the Senate wants him to act, the same with Nancy Pelosi. these aren't individual leaders who control x amount of votes they are representatives for x amount of votes.

Politics is hard.

Well, it's a bit of both really. Leaders definitely whip votes and broker deals and so forth. An ineffective leader can absolutely sink something that a better leader could've passed.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


Kerning Chameleon posted:

We don't have the luxury of time anymore to afford "occasionally" getting it wrong anymore.

It's fine if you "make the wrong choice" ordering a dish you never tried before at a restaurant (unless you die of food poisoning). It's not okay at all to keep getting it wrong when selecting leaders to guide the world through climate change and transitioning off late stage capitalism.

When a child makes a bad choice, you punish them then take that choice away from them in case they didn't lesson like the idiot child they are. Same thing with populations.

Hm yes, sometimes democracy makes a mistake and you end up with an idiot like Trump as president for 4 years.

So let's scrap that and go with an authoritarian regime where an idiot like Trump could end up as dictator for life. Or an idiot like Maduro. Or Ferdinand Marcos.

Surely an improvement.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


Kerning Chameleon posted:

That's why you make sure it's an extremist leftist regime that wins the final coup, genius.

Ah right, I forgot the cunning plan of 'make sure to win'.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Are you that dense to still think that bringing charges against a single homeless mother isn't loving sick? Becasse what I am saying actually happened, and what you are saying is just "Nu uh it is actually a good thing"

I don't think it did? (Charges filed I mean). Scary looking letters, yes, but not actual charges.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


I wouldn't have expected my side to be agreeing with conservatives on the 'parents should have the right to opt their kids out of public school' issue.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


I don't know why you needed to wait for the video, her campaign website actually makes a big issue of it.

My guess is that it's actually a net plus with voters, despite this thread. I mean, she clearly believes so.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


Stacey Abrams is planning to run for the Senate or something like that, right? I've lost track since the election.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007



It should've never been there in the first place:

quote:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


Yes a more energetic atmosphere leading to more extreme weather events is evidence for, not against global warming.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


My possibly unfounded assumption is that if we had a UBI there would basically be no sex workers left because they’re only in it out of desperation, which I just realized might actually be an angle for convincing some social conservatives that we should have a UBI.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


He said something like 'sea to shining sea' (possibly with some typos and misspellings) at one point. That should be opposed. That's a stupid idea.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


Harik posted:

Ok, since we're doing this, at what point do you not vote blue no matter who? The line is clearly drawn way past Manchin (R-Coal), so exactly what is an acceptable reason to say "you know what, gently caress the party that thought nominating this shithead was a good idea."?

I'm not looking forward one or more of D-Cop, D-Wallstreet, D-Boeing and D-Phizer being the top of the 2020 ticket.

How many times must it be said? The time to vote your conscience is in the primary.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


SKULL.GIF posted:

You guys, "VBNMW" is a symptom. The cause is bad candidates getting nominated. Stop nominating shitheads and we won't have this problem again.

People are making fun of you because the refrain was Vote Blue!!! when we were all pointing out serious issues with Northam, and the establishment forced his candidacy. Lo and behold a year later it turns out we got Klansman, M.D. for a governor.

Clinton deliberately elevated Trump and then lost to him. Perez has been a weak failure as DNC chair. Northam is a Klansman. Almost all the blue dog Senators got washed out in November. Stop nominating shitheads.

It's not 1968 and this thread is not a smoke-filled back room. We don't get to just pick who the nominees are. Donate money/time to the non-shitheads and vote for them in the primaries.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


'Both sides are exactly equally bad' is a novel and interesting thing for this thread to discuss for the thousandth time.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007



Twitter: the cancer that we all hate, but we spend all day every day linking to it. Even when it's just a tweet that contains nothing but a link to an actual article.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


Failed Imagineer posted:

For me, that's just cause it's a handy way to display a link preview on SA

@jack thanks you.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


VH4Ever posted:

It also begs the question: WHY THE gently caress DO A COVER STORY ABOUT SOME GIRL HITTING CHUD FROM BUMFUCK, WISCONSIN? WHY? WHO IS CLAMORING FOR THIS?

Well, it seems to have an enthusiastic audience with this thread, at least.

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Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


Voyager I posted:

Speaking as a Jewish person, I'll go ahead and say that Omar was right as hell to be critical of the actions of the Israeli government and I didn't take offense to her language.

Likud are loving monsters and you don't get to be thin-skinned while attempting genocide.

Even though she's correct, language matters. You may not take offense, but the media is as usual letting the right frame the issue: anti-AIPAC = anti-Israel = anti-Semite. Similar to pro-life vs. pro-choice, the left must always use our own framing of the issue. She stepped into a trap that could've easily been avoided by just saying I'm not anti-Israel I'm anti-apartheid, anti-settler, anti-occupation. I mean, this is all bullshit really, but that's politics.

e: by 'bullshit' I mean the need to constantly set the framing of an issue and playing gotcha with the media instead of speaking plainly

Family Values fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Feb 13, 2019

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