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Mr Snake, I want you to consider maybe this idea: That for lots of people things didn't get much better over the past 8 years Also: quote:Everyone in the campaign wanted to believe that dem strong holds would remain so no matter what. Resources were not allocated properly. My camp often fought to push resources towards Florida but the National campaign pushed back hard. Nobody actually took the idea that traditionally dem states could be in play seriously for a second. Holy poo poo whoever worked in that campaign should be banished from politics forever. That's incredible arrogance from a campaign that MUST'VE KNEW they were running a candidate that could in no way guarantee the turnout Obama did.
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Nov 10, 2016 01:23
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 White people didn't vote for Trump. He did worse with whites than Romney. People didn't vote for Clinton. Cause she was a terrible candidate that somehow managed to run a campaign that seemed more like a vanity project than someone who's a reality TV star. If we want to make a goddamn difference, it starts with this: we can't hate the people we're trying to help. The country didn't fail the democrats. The democrats failed the country.
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Nov 10, 2016 01:35
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hailthefish posted:And the well's so completely loving poisoned on discourse about it, both by the people with weird fringe viewpoints trying to co-opt the whole movement, and by the fuckers on the alt-right who've gleefully co-opted any possible term you could use to describe to the weird-fringe-viewpoint people and started using it to apply to Yeah, it's easy to forget that LF was laughing at tumblr SJWs before 4chan even knew they existed. It used to be a specific term for the kind of people who want to put trigger warnings on pictures of pomegranates and think Cainisgender is a real thing, but now it means, well... what we all know it means. gently caress man I still can't get over how bad a Candidate Hillary was. Holy poo poo. How did I ever believe that she wouldn't bungle this whole thing?
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Nov 10, 2016 23:51
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Zikan posted:because this is my only source of hope right now i'm literally looking up the bylaws of the DNC here: http://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.democrats.org/Downloads/DNC_Charter__Bylaws_9.17.15.pdf I know it's a lot of work, but that spread sheet would be beloved by this whole thread and many more goons in the wings.
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Nov 11, 2016 00:36
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Mo_Steel posted:Why don't the midwestern white working class embrace poverty? Why aren't people ready to accept that their life sucks now? I just don't get it...
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Nov 11, 2016 00:38
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Guess we'll never know.
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Somehow the article is even dumber than the goddamn headline
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Nov 11, 2016 01:42
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DaveWoo posted:I dunno, my progressive friends apparently hate Warren now because she didn't endorse Bernie in the primary. That'll go away if she starts doing and saying cool things.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:03
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mrmcd posted:Working class / rural policy discussions aside, can we just take a moment to appreciate how unbelievably bad Hillary is at running for President? It's pure schadenfreude for me but god drat am I glad I never have to hear about how good Hillary is at politics ever again. I mean holy poo poo she opened offices in Texas and DIDN'T GO TO WISCONSIN like what the gently caress. The Hillary boosters acted like she and her team were some sort of political genius class that understood how everything worked and that you were absolute idiots for thinking anyone else had any chance against her, and she lost to Trump! She lost to Trump BAD! It was shameful! A shameful display!
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Nov 11, 2016 04:23
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Princess Di posted:They seem like a great start to me too. I'm sure this is a delicate topic for you, and it's one of the places where these things get tricky and where words like privilege start to matter, because I've never been scared to talk to the most rural of the rural cause I'm a white dude with a big beard and a nice car, but I don't think that everyone out in the sticks hates you personally. I talked with a Trump voter today about this, in our local community college there's actually a lot of women in hijabs and abayas. I expressed my worry that Trump's election could signal to them that they're not wanted here, that they aren't really a part of America. She was horrified at the prospect that her vote signaled that, she never wanted to send that signal and wouldn't have ever wanted to indicate that she didn't think those people, some of whom she's classmates with, belong here. How did she not think Trump's election wouldn't signal this? I donno, but I think it's for the same reason a lot of us were blindsided by how seriously people took the populist part of Trump's campaign. We weren't listening for it. Deporting all muslims? She didn't take that seriously, and didn't think that anyone else did. Just like we didn't think anyone took Trump's pledge to bring back manufacturing seriously. I honestly don't believe that everyone out in the boonies is as hateful as we fear. I honestly don't think the world is as hateful as we fear it is. Rural people are people just like everyone else. They laugh and love and make mistakes and make wrong assumptions. They get caught up in fear and hate and disappointment just like everyone does. They're lonely and ashamed and angry and just want the world to be a place they're happy with. Again, I've never had to be afraid. So I know this sounds like I'm talking out my rear end at you. But I genuinely believe that rural whites even in the middle of goddamn nowhere don't actually hate you as much as you might think. They, after all, are just people. No one is a monster. We're just all human beings.
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Nov 11, 2016 04:41
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Why is it so fuckin' hard to find the person who votes for DNC stuff in NY?
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Nov 11, 2016 19:17
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Zikan posted:because their website is an absolute clusterfuck if you want to find out about something other then chuck schumer I know jesus christ With how fuckin' hard it was to vote in the primary and this BS maybe... maybe the NYS democratic party isn't all that democratic!!!!
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Nov 11, 2016 19:19
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Atrocious Joe posted:They run New York so why be transparent? Yeah, we don't. I have no good explanation for it except that our state politics is a horrific mess of corruption and inertia.
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Nov 11, 2016 19:24
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bump_fn posted:my friend have u heard of illinois Like the heads of both of our state legislatures got successfully prosecuted for corruption THIS YEAR Dean Skelos and Sheldon Silver. Senate and Assembly. We're hilariously dirty. Grondoth has issued a correction as of 19:28 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Nov 11, 2016 19:25
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Nov 11, 2016 22:30
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Not only did a Hillary candidacy give us goddamn Trump, Bill NEVER PLAYED THE SAX SOLO IN MIDNIGHT CITY. What a goddamn disgrace of a campaign.
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Nov 12, 2016 02:04
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TyrantWD posted:Hillary won voters whose most important issue was the economy by 10 points. Obama lost that group to Romney by 4 points. People just flat out didn't like Hillary, and among voters who cared more about immigration/terrorism Hillary lost by 30 points. Nationwide. Get me those numbers in the rust belt "Blue Wall" that fell.
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Nov 12, 2016 02:10
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MJ12 posted:I think the better argument is that the guys who are paranoid about immigration and terrorism are paranoid because of economic issues. Think of economic concerns as poo poo in a toilet. If there's a little poo poo, it all stays in the toilet. If there's a gigantic pile of poo poo, it gets stuck and backflows and poo poo goes everywhere. The malaise about a bad economy becomes so significant, and so all-consuming, that it starts poisoning a viewpoint and leaking into other places, places where there shouldn't be poo poo. I had a conversation with some people who were in a community college in the middle of nowhere(Olean NY) from the middle of nowhere(Franklinville NY, Cuba NY, Hinsdale NY) and they had a ton more respect for the idea of making legal immigration easier and amnesty after I said to them that the issue I've got with illegal immigration is that people get to essentially abuse the migrants for downright criminal wages to do work. They can't possibly ask for more and no one can advocate with them, and an honest worker has a hard time competing with labor that management has total control over. That immigrants are coming and stealing jobs isn't technically correct, but goddamn if it hasn't made several sectors of labor invalid for an honest pursuit of work. Because capital loves labor it can exploit. Those same people stopped being upset at hispanic families getting "lots of help" when I explained that stuff used to be way more available but slowly got paired down and down until only the most desperate can really claim much of anything, and how the problem isn't that there's a ton being given out but rather that there's practically nothing left so lots of people who are hurting don't get any support. Their ideas of minority welfare queens were based on something really simple, they felt they needed help and weren't getting it, and there were lots of people who were ready to tell them that other people were getting it and no one to tell them that no, no one's getting anything dawg, look it up. I don't want to sound like I'm minimizing racism and bigotry and all that with my posts. But man, I was a racist kid once. I was spooked when black guys in puffy coats walked by me and was worried about cities cause of "crime." I changed. Things can change, people can change, and we all have a lot in common. We want to help the working man, right? Well, you can't hate what you want to help. They know.
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Nov 12, 2016 02:36
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Well What Now posted:So why bother with anything then? Why not just hand out the Flavor Aid and get it over with if you're so damned certain? All Massive Root Vegetable is saying is that "unless the democrats understand they need to actually connect with working people they'll never actually win much" He's not saying all is lost. On the contrary, he's saying the future's up for grabs.
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Nov 12, 2016 02:42
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Deimus posted:The people who represent and fund the democratic party are doing just fine, why would they want things to fundamentally change. They have no power anymore.
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Nov 12, 2016 02:52
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Powercrazy posted:This is hilariously optimistic at best, and incredibly naive at worse. I meant the Democratic Party has very little power, not the people in control don't. The NYC oligarchs and SF tech lords absolutely have power, but the party is in decline. If they want to make it work as a governing body, they need a direction that gives results.
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Nov 12, 2016 04:17
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:That's bad right Nah it's cool
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Nov 12, 2016 04:55
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Fast Luck posted:Vice President-Elect Pence to Take Over Trump Transition Effort That's the deal he promised Kasich. He handles domestic and foreign policy, while Trump handles "making America great again." It's not good. It's, in fact, very bad. A Trump administration will just be Congressional republicans running things, but if the Democrats are able to emerge with real ideas and a real vision for how to make things better, we might have a chance to stop some of this. Grondoth has issued a correction as of 05:01 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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Nov 12, 2016 04:58
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mrmcd posted:hot take: Just because getting baited into disastrous military interventions in the middle east is bad, that doesn't make Gaddafi and Assad cool and good socialist champions of the little guy. I literally don't think a single person is arguing that. The only thing argued is that the Obama administration has been involved in a lot of messy conflicts, which has made the world seem incredibly unstable and dangerous and has left a giant flank open for people to feel anxious about. I don't think a single goddamn person in this thread thinks Assad is a good person. I, for one, hope he falls into a mulcher. I also don't think a single goddamn person in this thread thinks Gaddafi was a cool guy. But in the wake of an Obama presidency, we have on top of a tricky domestic situation, a world with lots of really weird wars that we're involved in one way or another.
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Nov 12, 2016 06:26
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Confrontational interventions are considered poor practice and not taught anymore. They make the helpee feel attacked and puts them on the defensive, making them unwilling to peruse intelligent solutions. You have to empathize and understand the helpee's concerns before you can get anything done with them, and they have to feel you do before they'll consider what you say.
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Nov 12, 2016 20:34
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You know what fuckin' gets me? This whole slapdash team of aides with no real vision, the contrasting and conflicting views of the candidate that they couldn't pin down, the general laziness and arrogance of her campaign? Fuckin' what happened last time. Her primary in 2008 was just like this. How the gently caress did it happen again? How the gently caress did she let the same thing happen? Is she really just that bad of a politician? I think I know the answer, but holy poo poo how can you make the same type of mistakes twice!
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Nov 12, 2016 20:40
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Oh Snapple! posted:it turns out changing the staff doesn't matter if everyone is subjected to the same poison regardless~ etalian posted:As David Axelrod pointed out making the same bad mistakes in the 2016 Primary as in the 2008 primary sort of points to very bad leadership at the top of her campaign team. A REFORMER WITH RESULTS
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Nov 12, 2016 20:46
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snakeandbake posted:Am I out of touch?? No, it's the voters who are wrong.
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Nov 13, 2016 04:13
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Concordat posted:How do I find out who my DNC person is? Are you in NY? I DON'T FUCKIN KNOW I STILL CAN"T FIND IT
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Nov 13, 2016 04:16
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tadashi posted:They decided the 2008 primary election strategy would surely work in a general election if they just tried it again. REFORMER WITH RESULTS
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Nov 13, 2016 23:04
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ArgumentatumE.C.T. posted:for posterity, a la the DnD political cartoon thread: I think the politoon thread has consumed some people who follow it. The idea behind the first incarnation was to contrast the intelligence, knowledge, and guts required to really talk about politics on a meaningful level with how just goddamn stupid the political cartoon universe is. It was "could you imagine the type of people who only see issues through these cartoons? Can you imagine how little they'd get?" I think the thread is now full of those people.
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Nov 13, 2016 23:09
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NumberLast posted:Awe, I like Harry Potter and Steven Universe. It's OK to like things. It's even OK to draw a little bit of courage and inspiration from things that resonate with you. Just don't retreat into it and try to laboriously set up the fantasy situation as the real one.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:09
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Terror Sweat posted:https://twitter.com/CoryBooker/status/797836749326155776 "Man... I'm really cool, guys." -Corey Booker, 2016 "Corey Booker is often times considered a very inspirational politician." -Corey Booker, 2016 "Corey Booker 2020." -Corey Booker, 2016 Grondoth has issued a correction as of 01:32 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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Nov 14, 2016 01:30
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The Puppet Master posted:holy poo poo their big strategy was to win over those fantasy moderate republicans and they got mitt to shill for them holy poo poo wow This shouldn't be a revelation. "At least publicly, Schumer has no worries about his party’s dwindling fortunes among working-class white voters. “For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.”"
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Nov 14, 2016 02:39
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Arri posted:Run Booker and Cuomo in the primaries if you want Trump to win again in 2020, imo. God that's right, Cuomo's probably trying to position himself for that too. That fucker. That rear end fucker.
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Nov 14, 2016 05:11
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Nov 14, 2016 18:28
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The DNC helping to elect one candidate in the primary over another is actually super fuckin' huge and should absolutely result in firings and reforms, how do you say that and not think it's a big deal
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Nov 14, 2016 18:41
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Majorian posted:Because the parties always put their thumb on the scale. Like, every single time. They always have their favorite candidates, and part of their job is to nominate the candidate they think has the best chance of winning. They were obviously horribly, horribly wrong in this instance, but the fact that they're biased should not be news to you. Yeah but that sucks. Evidence of it happening should trigger firings and reforms. The job of the DNC is to run the primary. Just because something happens all the time doesn't mean it's ok. An unarmed black dude getting shot by a cop because they thought he was dangerous happens all the goddamn time, but that doesn't mean it's ok.
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Nov 14, 2016 19:01
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Al! posted:its ok you guys he has a plan to solve the middle east Trump wants to intentionally target civilians and start torturing again. Well, he said he wanted to do these things. Will he? Donno. But he said he wanted to.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:brett gelman is the best. The turn in this is really incredible and if you're feeling bummed please listen to it
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