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Niric
Jul 23, 2008

VideoGames posted:

Lady VG just got her pip assessment back from the DWP (she was on highest due to her needing zomorph (morphine) twice a day to function) and not only are they ending it, but apparently she needs to pay them back because she was given too much.

The only words that express how mad I am about it would get me banned.

Sorry to hear this VG. Are you still able to appeal at this point or has that been exhausted? It'd be well worth emailing your MP (even if they're a Tory) about this as well, to request a review of the case. There's a dedicated parliamentary hotline for pip so MP's staff can speak to DWP staff about cases quickly, although any actual review will take a few weeks. Anecdotally having MP interest in a case seems to help expedite things, even if the outcome isn't always the preferred one. If you've got specific objections to the DWP decision as written, it'd be a good idea to highlight them & give the reason why.

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Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Re Pratchett, people getting het up over rival claims to specificity is really funny to me, because my pet theory that I've just pulled out my arse right now is that the more specific novels in terms of place or subject (lost continent, pyramids, interesting times, moving pictures) are among the weakest.* Pratchett is a much better satirist than parodist imo

* possibly very unfair on interesting times which I haven't read in forever

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Guavanaut posted:

Then again given Boris' history, I'm also going to guess that he doesn't know how pregnancy tests work.

Step 1: the woman (who is not your wife) pees on a stick

Step 2: If positive, pressure her into signing a non-disclosure agreement*/getting an abortion**/marrying you

Step 3: face the consequences of your actions

* allegedly
** according to that MP staffer's spreadsheet of MPs to avoid that did the rounds a couple of years ago

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Jose posted:

truly incredible stuff here from the economist

https://twitter.com/DSORennie/status/1306622098333343745?s=20

The economist: a good thing happened? Oh no! This will inevitably lead to bad outcomes

Also the economist: a bad thing happened? Don't worry, this will inevitably lead to good outcomes

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Vitamin P posted:

Genuinely go on, what was your thinking?

It's a sex joke :ssh:

Niric
Jul 23, 2008


The dystopian hashtag really makes this

Niric
Jul 23, 2008


This is a very strange statement to make. Not because it's not the kind of thing that the tories would do, but because the "moonshot" is an entirely fictional concept whose large numbers are plucked from the aether with no basis in reality. Why bother to make any statement about the cost (or not) of something that does not, currently cannot, and most likely will not exist?

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

ObamaAkbar. posted:

Are red wall MPs making GBS threads themselves now that brexit and Corbyn are no longer issues they can beat over constituents heads?

A bit, but probably not as much as you'd think, and probably less so than Tories with similar majorities in non-"Red Wall" seats. "Corbyn" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here, since his unfavourability by the end cut deep, but in terms of a new leader electoral effect it'll be interesting to see if it's more pronouced in these seats than others. I'm sceptical, personally.

The long-term demographic shifts (and more than anything the aging population in these constituencies) would tend to favour the Tories even aside from Brexit/Corbyn, which is probably why we're seeing a whole bunch of culture war bollocks, since that seems to be the best way to get the grey vote. I suspect it will be the Tories in commuter belts wondering about their proportion of voters under 50 that are more nervous.

By the by the red wall is basically a journalistic convention that doesn't seem to have much explanatory or analytical value beyond "long term Labour seats that went Tory" as far as I can tell, so I'm pretty wary of using it (and fed up of journos and MPs and commentators being extremely lazy and using it instead of actually saying anything), even if it feels like a good reading of the election. "Labour lost their red wall and Tories overran the country" is a neat narrative and clear visual image, even if it doesn't make a huge amount of sense besides losing seats = losing elections. Though if someone wants to argue the case for it I'm open to be convinced it's a decent label!

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

ronya posted:

in mildly amusing trivia: Pankaj Mishra (From the Ruins of Empire) is David Cameron's cousin-in-law

I know it's not the point at all, but there's something so incredibly UKMT about ronya pointing out that an apparently anti imperialist author is DCFADP's cousin

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

sebzilla posted:

19th Century style political cartoon idea for someone good at art (what happened to our official thread cartoonist?):

A gallows with Kieth Starmer holding one end of an extremely long rope that loops up and over the top and then all the way back down to the ground where Boris Johnson is happily wandering about unimpeded by the rope around his neck because there's about eight foot of slack in it. All-caps text at the bottom reads GIVING THEM ENOUGH ROPE

Where's my Pulitzer x 2?

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

So do we know who has shares in PPE Medpro Ltd, or who the directors are, or what.

This is the public information:
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12597000/officers

Three appointees, 2 with no other company house information and 1 with multiple (24) directorships etc over the years.

I don't know anything about The Byline Times, but they have an article from last month that basically covers all the publicly-accessible information.

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/09/14/government-awards-122-million-ppe-contract-to-one-month-old-firm/

quote:

Boris Johnson’s Government awarded a whopping £122 million contract for the supply of gowns to a company that had only been in existence for one month, Byline Times can reveal.

New documents show that the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) granted the multi-million-pound contract to PPE Medpro Limited on 25 June, just 44 days after the firm had been incorporated.

The company’s website claims that it is “a specialist manufacturer of personal protective equipment”. However, its founding directors appear to have experience in other fields.

The firm was set up by Anthony Page and Voirrey Coole, both of whom work in fiduciary services – private trust and wealth management.

Both Page and Coole work for Knox House Trust, a corporate wealth and investment management firm that is based on the Isle of Man, which is considered to be an offshore tax haven.

Page is director of the ‘Family Office’, while his company profile claims that he has spent the majority of his career working in the “offshore fiduciary environment”. Coole has 20 years’ experience in this field, including six “in the Yacht Management arena”.

Companies House records show that Medpro is not the only venture launched by the pair in recent months. A separate profile shows that Coole and Page set up a company called ‘Body Icon Limited’ on 2 June this year, though the services to be provided by this firm are not yet apparent.

A week before the DHSC contract was awarded to Medpro, the Knox House employees were joined in their start-up by Maurice Stimler – appointed as a director on 18 June.

Stimler has extensive business experience, with 24 current or lapsed directorships listed on Companies House. One of Stimler’s ventures is Loudwater Trade and Finance, which “sources, distributes and sells branded products around the world”.

It is unclear how the company financed the supply of such a large amount of PPE, given the relative youth of the firm.

PPE Medpro Limited has been approached for comment.

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Guavanaut posted:

Imagine being a Conservative voter.

Not just as a stunt
No need for public goods
Just be a complete oval office

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Rincewinds posted:

>Defund the NHS

You sure? This will kill your grandma.

> Defund the NHS

Your grandma is dead.

> Collect insurance

Someone criticises you for defunding the NHS

> acccuse them of playing politics with your dead grandma

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

hemale in pain posted:

Why do the British media seem pro trump at the moment? I watched some poo poo on ITV yesterday where they mostly interviewed pro trump people and just let the lies go unquestioned. The voice over even said multiple times about how trump is good for the economy. I also just watched a bit on the BBC about how trump was good at the debate and they VERY selectively showed clips of him and didn't mention the racism or rambling lies. They then interviewed a republican who did the normal lies about how lockdown bad, trump good, oil good etc etc but didn't have anyone pro-biden on.

This isn't even pretending to be impartial

A few pages back, but this might be of interest to folk here. There's a (very good) 3 part documentary airing on the BBC right now called the Trump Show, and one of the people involved in it is absolutely raging at the BBC right now. The programme has been in production for a while, but thry said that they started getting a whole load of notes from BBC upper echelons just in the last few weeks and even right up to broadcast about how they needed to be less critical of trump because the documentary was "too negative about trump" and therefore was "unbalanced."
The heart of the doc is various interviews with people who are/were in trump's circle (rudy guilliani, Sean spicer, Steve bannon) along with people like stormy Daniels and Michael Wolfe, and while their contributions are of course all framed by the programme makers the narrative itself is a pretty straightforward chronology of events.

Their sense is that the new DG is very deliberately pushing for a more Conservative/tory friendly culture when it comes to current affairs programming, and specifically "more amenable to the telegraph" (that's a quote from the program maker, not the BBC!)

Fwiw this person has made programmes for the BBC (and Channel 4) in the past and has never had to have had such a fight over balance/presentation and is really, really pissed off at the BBC right now for causing a poo poo load of stress at the last possible moment as well as the obvious politicisation

Niric
Jul 23, 2008


In a deeply competitive field I think Ben Bradley still manages to stand out as a consistently repugnant tory. He's just so grating, which might be a deliberate culture wars-y schitck, but he's so offensively terrible about so many things

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

goddamnedtwisto posted:

He's also just so *thick*. Like he's an avatar of every "I reckon..." ever spoken in a pub.

Yeah, this is a good way of putting it and part of why he's so grating. I think he's very much leaning into it (while still also being thick as poo poo) and does it all the time in every interaction so it comes across as an exaggerated version that even those pub bores would find tedious.

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

TheRat posted:



Seems like a lovely thing for an MP to say.


She's not only nicked Ben Bradley's reality-defying "context" excuse but is using, word-for-word, the endlessly mocked non-apology cliche for good measure. She's not just appalling in her opinions, she's brazenly thick and/or spectacularly unoriginal as well:

"The Guardian posted:

She later said her comments had been taken out of context. “I of course deeply regret any offence which may have been caused,” she said.

Niric
Jul 23, 2008


Good to see Ben Bradley's tactic of "deny the evidence of reality even as it is literally being presented for everyone to see" is something he has been honing for a few years now.

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Mugsbaloney posted:

hey chaps just browsing RT today and imagine my shock at seeing this, everyone's favourite arbiter of truth, immortalised in film : https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/bellingcat_truth_in_a_post_truth_world

Initially mistook/misread RT as Russian Today, which was, uh, a bit jarring.

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

mehall posted:

It's be pretty easy to automate

The Wee Wee* Frees: known for doing things the easy way

* heh

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

WhatEvil posted:

Horrible news

Condolences WhatEvil, that's gut wrenching to hear

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

NotJustANumber99 posted:

huger than what? Why are they obnoxious. The Tesla model X is more fuel efficient than any ICE car.

Small Sized Cars(eg Nissan Micra): 1200kg
Midsized Cars (eg Audi A4): 1600kg
Large Sized Cars (eg Audi A8): 2000kg
Small Trucks/SUV (eg Kia Soul): 1500kg
Midsized Trucks/SUV's (eg Nissan Navara): 2400kg

So yes at the absolute extreme an SUV can weigh twice as much as the smallest cars but that ignores like every other car and theres more to car safety than how much the car weighs. buses weigh quite a lot.

Its just lazy nonsense.

I'm very confused by this post. You seem irritated at the suggestion that suvs are bigger than other cars and up to twice as heavy, so to refute this you ... post a list showing that suvs are bigger and up to twice as heavy as other cars.

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Sanford posted:

Community woodland stuff

Echoing killerwhat's post, this is a fantastic project and sounds awesome, well done!

Also (maybe it's against the spirit of the thing?) I'm certain you'd be able to get bits and pieces of funding to help support this if you so wished, even though the informal arrangements might make things trickier in the short run. Your mention of it being Coal Board land immediately brought to mind the National Forest, which has small grants available, but even if that's not the right location for you this kind of community grassroots thing will appeal to a bunch of different funding organisations (community! woodlands! education! active lifestyles! family recreation! etc etc). This post

Sanford posted:

Hope people don't mind...

is halfway to a small grants funding application already

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

TheRat posted:

Sir Keith is at it again. Wasn't nationalised broadband just about as popular a policy as it could possibly be?


Random Integer posted:

From what I remember it was simultaneously popular and also considered completely unfeasible and therefore a sign that Labour weren't fit to govern.

In other words the British public have been so thoroughly abused by Capitalism into believing good things aren't possible that simply acknowledging something as good automatically means its impossible and actually you should do the opposite.

I agree with Random Integers second point, but I see "labour's policy X was actually super popular" repeated a lot here, and it doesn't ring true, especially on this. I really think a lot of lefties, and UKMT in particular, have a bad habit of clinging to the odd poll that asks things like "would you like X?" as solid evidence that Y policy is actually incredibly popular and total vote winner. I did a lot of campaigning at the election (in and near Glasgow, for reference) and I have to say that I didn't meet anyone who thought it sounded like a good idea, outside of left wing labour voters.

The most common objections to "free broadband" (which is how it was universally referred to) was just an obvious electoral bribe that was basically pointless "because broadband is only £15 a month anyway." It really tied into a lot of people's long standing perceptions of labour "giving sky TV to benefit cheats" as well as being something that self-identifying "sensible" people latched onto as a clear example of a specifically corbynist silly/unrealistic/extreme/stupid/not-sensible economic policy.

It's a really good example of a decent policy being communicated pretty poorly and without much clear planning or responses to account for it easily feeding into pre-exisiting negative stereotypes as well as election specific narratives ("Labour's manifesto is just a hodge podge of giveaways").

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Sanford posted:

Closing the schools just shines a light on awful poo poo that normally passes unnoticed.

Depressingly, closing the schools is making a lot of awful poo poo go unnoticed that normally gets a light shone on it by teachers/attendance records/etc. There are a lot of kids who's only experience good quality of socialisation, stimulation and formal & informal education comes in and around school. Like learnincurve is getting at I'm a bit surprised at all the UKMTers who are giving off the impression that they think closing schools is no big deal and that keeping them open is entirely predicated on allowing people out to work with no other factors to be considered

Like Sanford I'm not even sure what point I'm making and I'm not sure that keeping schools open is the right decision, but I'm pretty disappointed at the really simplistic picture some people are drawing here

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

goddamnedtwisto posted:

I'm so loving pleased I didn't bother to stay up to watch this shitshow.

This is exactly how I'm feeling. Given that basically every election in the last 10+ years has been some flavour of utter poo poo, maybe I should just stop watching elections?

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Payndz posted:

Biden: "Vote for me! I'm not Trump!"
Voters: "Are you going to give us universal healthcare?"
Biden: "No."
Voters: "Are you going to do anything about climate change by instituting the Green New Deal?"
Biden: "No."
Voters: "Are you going to support a national minimum wage?"
Biden: "No."
Voters: "Are you going to tear down Trump's wall?"
Biden: "No."
Voters: "Are you going to pack the Supreme Court to overcome its massive hard-right evangelist Republican majority?"
Biden: "I may consider establishing a bipartisan committee to examine the possibility of perhaps doing so if the circumstances might require it."
Voters: "Are you going to offer anything other than the neoliberal status quo?"
Biden: "No. But to reiterate: I'm not Trump."
Voters: :sigh:

I'm sympathetic to this because, well, just look at Biden and the state of the Democrats, but the implicit argument that this clusterfuck of an election is a consequence of voter apathy isn't true at all:

https://twitter.com/bpmehlman/status/1323950208477265921

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

forkboy84 posted:

A third of the electorate didn't vote. 66% turnout is not worth singing about

It's not celebrating the turnout figures to say that voter apathy isn't a useful explanation because voters are less apathetic than previously.

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

sinky posted:

Actually it's a self propelled gun :goonsay:

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Isn't that a self-propelled gun rather than a tank?

Brendan Rodgers posted:

Hey it's a quite the difference, this is a tank:

So...what is the difference between the two? Or is it too painfully boring to bother to know?

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Guavanaut posted:

Do not take Jose's advice on anything

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Try eating a few.

Cows or centrists?

That adonis tweet seems like it should be a riff on Antichrist, but a) it doesn't make much sense in context and b) Adonis has never, ever shown any capacity for self parody

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Guavanaut posted:

It's definitely a "better to reign in hell than serve the public in any way" statement.

This checks out:

Paradise Lost, Book 9, The Temptation Of Eve posted:

Neerer he drew, and many a walk travers'd
Of stateliest Covert, Cedar, Pine, or Palme, [ 435 ]
Then voluble and bold, now hid, now seen
Among thick-wov'n Arborets and Flours
Imborderd on each Bank, the hand of Eve:
Spot more delicious then those Gardens feign'd
Or of reviv'd Adonis, or renownd [ 440 ]
Alcinous, host of old Laertes Son,
Or that, not Mystic, where the Sapient King
Held dalliance with his fair Egyptian Spouse

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Guavanaut posted:

Satan as neither the brightest angel of the Lord nor the Rebel who defies, but the centrist lib who insists that both extremes are wrong and that the truth sits in the middle is the true 2020 reading of Paradise Lost.

Also checks out


Paradise Lost, Book 9, Satan speaks to Eve posted:

Thenceforth to Speculations high or deep
I turnd my thoughts, and with capacious mind
Considerd all things visible in Heav'n,
Or Earth, or Middle, all things fair and good;
And concluded thus the Middle or Third Way to be
That of no equivalent or equal: sensible and grown up

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Sanford posted:

Aldi woman: You've forgot the pound in your trolley!

Me: I don't use a pound, I've got this key (shows key)

Her: (suddenly loud) YOU AREN'T MEANT TO HAVE THAT IT'S A SECURITY KEY

Me: It's... off a can of corned beef

Her: GIVE IT ME OR I'LL GET SECURITY

Me: *gets in car, leaves*

She scurried back inside to get, I assume, Tom the security guy. Am I going to prison?

Not only is this illegal but by writing it on the forums you've made us all culpable under Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000, "to collect or make a record of information of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism, or to possess a document or record containing information of that kind. The maximum sentence in respect of s58 is 10 years' imprisonment."

Mods?!

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Julio Cruz posted:

I wish Biden and Harris were 1% as left-wing as the fash believe (or at least claim) they are

Speaking of:

quote:

Congresswoman Abigail Spanberger, a moderate Democrat of Virginia, unloaded on some of her colleagues during a caucus call this afternoon, according to multiple reports.

Spanberger leads in her race by just 1 point right now, and she blamed the close result on effective attack ads from her opponent based around some Democrats’ calls to “defund the police”.

“We need to be pretty clear,” Spanberger said. “It was a failure. It was not a success. We lost incredible members of Congress.”

https://twitter.com/ericawerner/status/1324439295847968768

1. The right wing gets the exact candidate they want
2. Candidate does poo poo
3. "Clearly the left wing of our party are to blame"

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

therattle posted:

Mayo and ketchup together is really good too.

I was in a chippie today that boasted of serving a "frickled egg," which I can only assume is a deep fried pickled egg. Yet somehow, despite all reason and standards of taste, that abomination was not the worst food crime I've seen today

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Guavanaut posted:

*that scene from Speed 2 but with Bangor crashing through Portpatrick*

Samuel O'Jackson, putting Ireland into reverse at the finale: "I've had it with all those motherfucking snakes on that motherfucking landmass"


OwlFancier posted:

Knock down the Pennines Tory voters and use them to fill in the irish sea.

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

peanut- posted:

Nick Rewcastle sounds instantly like a spoonerism

:hmmyes:

Rick Newcastle also sounds like a character from a Martin Amis novel

Niric
Jul 23, 2008


Wait, what? From a quick skim of that Ajay guy's twitter feed he's just some random person who hasn't offered any interesting insights into the results or the election at all. Am I missing something, or is Wes just that impressed by vapid smugness that he wants to invite them to talk at the CLP?

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Niric
Jul 23, 2008

happyhippy posted:

I liked Far Cry 5 for the environmental details they did. Each location has its own story, you could see the struggles, the blood stain, the blood trail, the normal family life they had before poo poo went down. As if they were crafted and not just random poo poo placed around to fill space. Nice touches like that, then again I like walking simulators and open world games. Environments I can stop and stare at are my thing.
Far Cry 3 and 4 are more Apocalypse Now in how you have to become the darkness to beat the bad guy.

Do you have any other recommendations? I haven't played many games aside from football manager, civ and gta 4 for years, but got massively into rdr2 over lockdown and loved it. I tried ac: odyssey, but despite it being in theory exactly my poo poo (I mean, I read thucydides this summer...) it just seemed a bit, I dunno, thin and arcadey compared to rdr2. Is there anything else in the kinda open world exploring vein that has a similar slower paced vibe?

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