Steven Universe: "psst, it's me, I'm a horse"

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Is this show
	Gay?
	Sad?
	Sad and Gay?
	What the hell is wrong with you people?

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

ManlyGrunting posted:

On the other hand America seems to be easier about lesbians than gay men.

Only insomuch as a ton of men will jerk off to lesbian porn, then loudly express their opinion that gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry.

As with most people, we're only allowed to exist when we're benefiting "normal people."

# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 03:40

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# ¿ May 19, 2024 09:53

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

GunnerJ posted:

He hit a guy with a giant cell phone.

Steven confirmed for young Paul Heyman.

# ¿ Sep 8, 2016 03:12

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

Philip Rivers posted:

I dunno, I just think it's a little shallow to say that Pearl's and Mystery Girl's genders aren't relevant to the story on the condition that you decontextualize their gender from culture. It was a conscious decision by Sugar and the rest of the crew to include queer romances in this show and I think that decision carries weight beyond just basic representation.

I agree with both of you. It's important to have stories be uniquely queer sometimes, but equally important, in my opinion, is to have queerness be an entirely unremarkable part of other stories.

This show chooses the latter over the former, and I'm cool with it. I like the idea of kids watching a show where being queer is treated as perfectly normal and almost humdrum.

# ¿ Sep 13, 2016 02:22

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

Acne Rain posted:

I blame millenials
MILLENIALS

I realize you're joking, but man alive have I been seeing this everywhere lately. An article popped up in my Facebook feed that was a loving think piece on how General Mills is going broke because Millennials aren't buying cereal for their kids the way their parents did.

How loving entitled do you have to be as a company to place generational blame on people not buying your eight dollar box of breakfast candy?

Honestly, with shows like this instead of toyetic garbage GI Joe stuff I grew up with, I have a little more faith in newer generations than I do mine.

# ¿ Sep 21, 2016 00:12

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

Do we have airdates for those?

# ¿ Feb 7, 2017 03:35

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

Blasphemeral posted:

I, too, am hoping they take this opportunity to have him age-up after resolving what would be a big step in most people growing up, but I doubt they'll be allowed to do that until the endgame of the series, since it would outdate all of their toys and marketing materials. :-/
Capitalism: once again messing up a good story.

I hear this argument all the time, and it never makes sense. If they changed his model, all the people with Steven Universe toys would have to buy a new toy.

# ¿ Feb 20, 2017 21:51

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

gmq posted:

Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that gems are solar powered so they can't/shouldn't be covered?

I'm pretty sure all we have on that is that baby Stephen kept uncovering his gem, and Greg wondered aloud, "Does your gem need to... breathe?"

# ¿ Jun 3, 2017 01:11

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

khwarezm posted:

Like, that's not really an excuse. Most of the time going off model or loving up sizes adds nothing and is just a sign they didn't care enough to keep track.

It's absolutely an excuse. It's their art, and they can make it any way they want.

The old Simpsons animation was technically inferior to what we have now, but those weird off-model moments punctuated certain moments beautifully. I preferred it. Now everybody has like four expressions. They're "on model," but that model is arbitrary and rigid.

These are people who've been in animation for a long time. They know how to keep things on model. The choice to not do that isn't a choice to be "bad animators." It's an artistic choice you just don't like.

# ¿ Dec 7, 2017 04:01

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

khwarezm posted:

That's like saying a director who constantly lets the boom mic be visible in the shot is just making an artistic choice I don't like.

Arrested Development did exactly this for a gag, and since it was on purpose, it was an artistic choice.

You're absolutely entitled to your opinion. My contention is that you are not allowed to call professional animators "bad" for a stylistic choice you don't like.

Quentin Tarantino movies don't conform to "proper" film structure, but you bet your rear end he knows the poo poo out of it and knows how and when to break it, and why, to produce an effect he wants. He's not sloppy or undisciplined. He knows what he's doing.

The Ayshkerbundy posted:

The point is that someone literally forgot how tall lapis was supposed to be

Or, for that shot, they wanted the characters to be the same height. Real films do this all the loving time with apple boxes n' poo poo when one character needs to loom over another one.

Bongo Bill posted:

The characters are scaled with consideration for the overall composition of the shot, which is why their designs are specified to have flexible proportions and sizes.

This.

# ¿ Dec 8, 2017 03:13

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

khwarezm posted:

Actually, just overall, what do you think of this shot here, do you have any particular complaints or compliments overall with it?:

I have no interest in answering this question. You have successfully annoyed me to the point that I no longer want to engage. By rule of internet argument, that means you're right and correct.

# ¿ Dec 12, 2017 19:18

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

Why would I take it personally that you think your opinions are facts?

# ¿ Dec 12, 2017 20:30

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

khwarezm posted:

You see, this is one of the reasons why I'm being such a dickhead about this, my complaint isn't exactly unfair or unwarranted

Nobody said it was unfair or unwarranted to state your preference. It's your insistence that an artistic choice was objectively bad people are taking issue with. You prefer a different style. Many of us prefer this style. That's fine. But your stubborn claim that we're somehow wrong for liking things this way is just obnoxious.

# ¿ Dec 27, 2017 23:50

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

Infinitum posted:

What if Pink Diamond is a fusion of all the Crystal Gems?

I know this is a joke, but the temple is modeled after the fusion of all 4 gems, pre-Stephen.

# ¿ Mar 28, 2018 20:20

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

Alopex posted:

lol @ being so into a childrens cartoon you make a 400 page thread about it

lol @ being so insecure that you're afraid to like things that children also like and have to be rude to people to prove how much better you are.

This Pink Diamond thing is a lot to chew on and making us wait until summer to flesh it out kind of blows.

# ¿ May 9, 2018 21:35

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

BioEnchanted posted:

One thing that's amusing is we all thought Pearl was someone who left her diamond to start doing her own thing - but she never left her Diamond's side. She was loyal to her liege to the end, her Diamond however, was not loyal to her sisters.

also in "I love Both of You" I'd assumed that the colouration of Pearl and Greg's lighting was representative of Steven getting to Diamonds to talk to each other in the future, but I didn't take it far enough. The pink lighting isn't Rose Quartz's pink - in the same way as Greg is coloured like Yellow Diamond and Pearl is coloured like Blue Diamond, while having similar arguments about how they feel about someone's death (and it turns out its the same Gem that both pairs are arguing about), Steven is coloured like Pink Diamond.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mle_1cIWYL0

Holy poo poo, dude. You really nailed it with this one. This is absolutely spot-on and exactly the way this show hides poo poo in plain sight.

# ¿ May 11, 2018 00:29

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

RandomPauI posted:

Just a Comet takes on a new meaning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3M47LlGAWU

Can you elaborate? I see a bunch of diamonds in the art that might foreshadow Rose. Is that it?

# ¿ May 12, 2018 01:54

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

So Math posted:

The song is about Greg having a hard time after he changed his name to be a rock (and roller), he enjoys the ride, but he knows it's going to burn him out eventually.

Oh, man. So Steven Quartz Universe is neither a Quartz nor a Universe, and now I think a big part of going forward will him accepting, "No. I'm a Quartz. And a Universe," in a bit of trans-alluding "you're not what your family tree says you are," since both of his parents changed their names to get away from that.

I love it.

# ¿ May 12, 2018 03:08

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

RandomPauI posted:

The first verse of "Like a Comet" is about Greg (De Mayo) feeling unappreciated. So he decides to leave his figurative home among the stars and start a new life.

The second, third, and fourth verses touch on the same points: he enjoys the accolades people give him, his new life is harder, he's satisfied with his life, and he's sure he made the right decision.

The fifth and sixth verse has him plummeting towards Earth: he has a lot more he wants to do but he doesn't see any other choice but to follow the trajectory he's on until he crashes.

Man alive. This is great too.

nine-gear crow posted:

Followed immediately by the only person being there to even hear it being Rose.

Who then fell in love with him. Jesus. This show.

# ¿ May 12, 2018 04:38

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

Disney Afternoon had some real gems. It's no surprise that some of those teams went on to make Gargoyles and the DCAU.

Also kind of mind-boggling how the DCAU laid out a perfect, near twenty-year template for what the DCCU should do, and then just all the way didn't do it because they put a guy in charge who literally doesn't believe in heroism.

But, yeah, I feel like Steven being a diamond and Pearl technically being his pearl will be addressed one way or another.

# ¿ May 15, 2018 04:01

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

Infinitum posted:

Meanwhile in the land of things that are not OK

http://rileys-universe.tumblr.com/post/173872310984/i-want-stevens-bathroom-to-be-renamed-to-local

I don't understand what's going on in this image.

# ¿ May 17, 2018 02:00

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

Got it. Thank you.

# ¿ May 17, 2018 02:27

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

Symbolic Butt posted:

The Big D

Rusty Shackleford?

# ¿ Jun 1, 2018 22:52

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

What a wonderful episode. This show is so good at setup and payoff.

# ¿ Jul 6, 2018 03:05

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

This is one of the greatest shows in the history of shows and I wish I had it when I was a kid.

# ¿ Jul 7, 2018 02:53

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

Plant MONSTER. posted:

I also drew this last night with markers.

This is really good.

# ¿ Jul 8, 2018 21:34

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

Justice Sloth posted:

I love any show that does a timetravel episode that ends with the iteration the audience is following following in the narrative spotlight loving dying and his pre-timefuckery progenitor just continuing the show.

I'm the opposite, and poo poo like this really bugs me for no good damned reason.

# ¿ Jul 10, 2018 23:58

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

Azza Bamboo posted:

If gems are all women, how does Yellow know to refer to Steven with male pronouns?

White diamond man confirmed :v

Gems would be aware of gender if not from humans than from animals from Earth and presumably other planets.

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

All of rose's rose themed items are really funny and theatrical now that we know rose was a fake persona.

Rose wasn't a fake persona. Pink Diamond transitioned into Rose Quartz.

And like most of us, that tends to be a little performative at first, because it makes it easier for others to accept.

# ¿ Jul 12, 2018 01:30

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

No show in the history of television ever did foreshadowing better than making garnet play a keytar.

How's that, now?

# ¿ Jul 25, 2018 23:41

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

Bongo Bill posted:

It's a fusion of two instruments.

Obvious in hindsight. Nice. Thank you.

# ¿ Jul 25, 2018 23:49

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

There are no scheduling conflicts in VO work.

# ¿ Sep 25, 2018 01:07

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

You never stop being Catholic. It's like alcoholism. You're a recovering Catholic for the rest of your life.

# ¿ Nov 4, 2018 04:07

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

Okay, so Loki's a shapeshifter. Why does the gal next to him's boobs shrink by a full cup size between panels?

# ¿ Nov 28, 2018 06:10

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

Taear posted:

Youtube is the only TV for kids under about 12.
I say that thinking that I never watch anything live anyway, but TV is changing a lot and stuff for kids is changing the most.

Considering the algorithm points inexorably toward fascist rhetoric, we should be loving terrified about this.

# ¿ Dec 20, 2018 02:33

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

TwoPair posted:

Hey don't worry, it also points towards weird copyright infringing dance videos with cartoon characters or some bizarre poo poo like this so maybe they won't be Nazis, they'll just be weird as poo poo creeps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKp2gikIkD8

# ¿ Dec 20, 2018 03:46

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

chitoryu12 posted:

I�ll never get tired of this thread predicting that the crew has written themselves into a corner and everything will be horrible and there�s no way it can get better, and then the actual episode comes out and surprise the professional writers are better than amateur nerds and the show is still going fine.

I don't do this about this show, because they've earned my trust, but I understand why people do. We've had our trust broken too many times by showrunners who don't have a road map claiming that they do and then forcing us to reckon the fact that the time we've invested in their show was now going to retroactively feel like wasted time.

# ¿ Dec 27, 2018 04:21

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

VanSandman posted:

We can all agree that White didn't come because she can't, right? She's cracked herself in some way?

It's pretty obvious that she can't move, but I have a theory that her pearl speaking in her voice is because she's controlling her directly as an avatar. So, in a sense, White Diamond was at the ball.

# ¿ Jan 2, 2019 12:07

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

Lunar Suite posted:

Has this been foreshadowing all along, or am I overreaching? I think Steven's doing the diamond salute in the second opening (diamond added to highlight the gesture; I think he can't do the full one because human wrists don't work that way)

This wasn't subtle and was noticed immediately.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2019 22:03

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

Steven: "Mom was a diamond who invaded Earth. Saw its beauty, and its worth."

Pearl: "We were amazed to find <beat> your beauty and your worth. And we will protect your kind. And we will protect your Earth."

Missed that.

# ¿ Jan 18, 2019 10:12

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

Remember how at the end of Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey and Truman Show, we kept cutting away to viewers losing their minds and it was like, "jesus, the overacting."

It wasn't overacting.

# ¿ Jan 22, 2019 08:17

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# ¿ May 19, 2024 09:53

LividLiquid: Apr 13, 2002

Pick posted:

Lmao holy poo poo what a godawful finale

I will never understand what possesses somebody to think their opinion is so important that they should drop into a discussion that's largely positive to say "thing bad" without explanation.

We don't know who you are, or why we should care that you think thing bad.

# ¿ Jan 23, 2019 05:39

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