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Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Frosted Flake posted:

Well also, it was why the Americans were unique in preventing, certainly not recognizing, marriage, breaking up families, frequently reselling slaves, making manumission - even of the mulatto children of slaveowners - illegal etc.

Slaves-as-property created pretty insane contradictions in Southern society, and ultimately contributed to why they lost the Civil War.

See, they had a desperate manpower shortage and needed to free up white soldiers for the front through the use of black labourers for logistics, engineering and of course the civilian economy. The CSA had passed conscription laws, so in theory this would be pretty straightforward, right?

Only, because slaves were property, the state could not levy them. Property rights were the foundation of the Slaveowner's Republic, and so Richmond was unable to "seize the property" of slaveowners. It was why they had seceded! Because the Confederate elites were all self-interested monsters, they absolutely refused to contribute towards any kind of common war effort, because in their minds, they were being stripped of profits - even though they knew if everyone did that the CSA would lose the war and their slaves would be emancipated.

There are dozens of examples of the CSA flailing around as their situation got more and more desperate after 1862 and then slaveowners - who made up most of the government anyways - tapping an Air Bud style rule book and saying "sure, we're facing defeat here and every able bodied man is needed for the cause, but you see the 400 labourers on my estate aren't men, and so you have no right to demand them build that fort/road/bridge".

e: The underlying ideology of the CSA led to their collapse being jaw dropping. I'm surprised some of these episodes are not talked about more. For example, there was the "Yankee Plague", as escaped slaves and Union prisoners of war not only roamed the countryside in huge numbers, but effectively took over areas of territory as well.

Slaves obviously enthusiastically collaborated with Union forces wherever and however possible, but even when they committed acts of outright sabotage including things like guiding Union gunboats down rivers to attack plantations, coordinating mass escapes of slaves to Union lines with local commanders etc. they could not be executed or even imprisoned because property cannot commit treason. It was up to the owners to punish them and by and large they did not - since that would be destroying their own property. In one instance, Confederate soldiers executed the leaders of a slave rebellion and the owner sued the CSA for damages. The officer responsible was severely reprimanded.

and then we let these monsters right back in the union

love a good bipartisan compromise, i can practically picture johnson personally slapping all of the traitors on the back and thanking them for coming to their senses

gently caress THIS DEMON CRACKER HELL NATION

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Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Cuttlefush posted:

yeah nobody should be calling it ai except as a shorthand because it's easy to say and most people know what you mean. people treating it like it's actual general artificial intelligence are dumb. it's a toy to gently caress with.

capital is frothing at the mouth for a magical inscrutable expert box that lets them justify racism and harassment and worker abuse and union-busting. it has nothing to do with factual accuracy or any other objective measure, they want a 3rd party vendor-provided plausible deniability appliance. that’s the end game here, an escape hatch for liability when corporations do evil poo poo

sorry employee who tried to unionize, but the hr system determined you’re underperforming using proprietary metrics and you’re fired now. you can sue but the courts will happily nod along and dismiss your case as soon as the company’s lawyer explains that the computer simply can’t be biased, it’s best of breed and standards based!!

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Pussy Quipped posted:

maybe that will get these drat kids off the TikTok and iPad

Applebees boomer: I’ve been waiting for these drat boneless wings for 11 minutes!! *leaves a Christian tip of $1.25*

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Frosted Flake posted:

e: but seriously it's because I didn't realize bonds are taxed as income.

quick q: when did you start working for the cia?

also arent you a ex troop? what are you even doing in cspam, you know this is a leftist forum right

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

The End of History was hegemonic neoliberal capitalism winning forever and promising to end the human race before releasing their grasp on the End of History

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Homeless Friend posted:

many goons are "massively" talented

post feedback: this is an incredible post

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Ahh yes, I remember Lenin's pamphlet entitled "gently caress da troops! We don't need yah!"

lenin, famous for cooperating with officers of the tsar's army in a bipartisan manner

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Frosted Flake posted:

I don’t work for the CIA.

serious q why do you post here? arent you a canadian military officer? might as well be a cop. cops should gtfo

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

StratGoatCom posted:

Shut up nerd.

gently caress off, officer

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Trabisnikof posted:

sorry but AI bullshit isn't going away, we're just going to be expected to clean up after its mess and adapt our behavior to it.

instead of doing something right the first time, you'll be spending your days correcting the mistakes the ML constantly and consistently makes. "no the customer does not a plate of literal trash, they want the menu item garbage plate"

then it will be your fault if the LLM writing your performance review fucks up, its your fault that you get negative marks for "doing non-job tasks (naval construction) instead of job task (making sandwiches)" because you wrote "i made 50 subs today"

this. it's a plausible deniability machine, so managers can fire people they dislike and point to a magic box and say the ai told us to do it sorry i don't make the rules

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Willa Rogers posted:

if arbitrary generations were real, I'd agree with you.

boomer is a state of mind, does that untangle this very complicated subject for you? its a state of mind that allows you to own multiple homes, multiple vehicles, and still complain about ungrateful lazy millenials and zoomers. like every single one of my multiple boomer bosses has done, multiple times.

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Vox Nihili posted:

The definitional stuff has been a media toy for decades. When you have nothing of substance to say you write a bunch of hazy, sweeping generalizations about tens of millions of people who in reality exist under wildly different circumstances from one another. Gen X are slackers! Millennials are slackers! Zoomers are slackers! It's the laziest poo poo in the world and other than the baby boom, which was at least an actual demographic event, it's all almost wholly arbitrary.

cool now do every real-life boomer actually believing and saying these things, in real life. its not just the media my friend, these people are real, and they actually believe these things.

how do i know this? they tell it to me, with their mouth-parts.

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

RadiRoot posted:

gently caress boomers. just deal with it willa you fuckin crank.

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Mr Hootington posted:

Oh you want somewhere to actually post and talk about the economy? Sorry you are in the wrong forum.

If webcams for christ quit posting the thread would be just shrike82 posts and the yospos rejects screaming at them.

shut the gently caress up already gd

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Smythe posted:

this "economy" loving sucks poo poo and im BROKE AS gently caress

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Mr Hootington posted:

You are stupid

turn on your monitor and stop signing your posts

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

you should lurk more, you seem inexperienced ("bad") at posting.

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Gorson posted:

This is more hosed up than anything Verhoeven could have imagined.

e: that pringles one is blowing my mind. Wasting extra material (cheaper by volume than chips, apparently) just to dupe your customers into thinking they're getting more. This isn't legit business, it's a con. Those chips now take up more space on a truck, which means more trucks to ship the same number of chips, which means more gas, more road wear, longer truck driver hours....

liberal voice: "this is lawful activity"

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

in the upper left corner of your posting vacuole, you will observe a registration date is listed (hereafter, "incept date"). youre incept date is from 2008 (CE), mine is from 2005 (CE), a difference of three years. this means that your account, and indeed your entire worldview and personality, are less mature and worthwhile than mine. you may apologize to me, your posting better, at your earliest convenience

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Smythe posted:

my anecdote to agree, broadly, is my stupid apartment building. we are all of similar circumstance, i guess what used to be called middle class. the oldest is 50, im 38, some of my neighbors are in their mid 20s, another lady is 39, and one dude is in his 60s. there are a few more of us but we're all between say 25 and 50 aside from the one outlier, and we all share the same general social values. community, kinship, "progressiveness" although the degree to which some are "libs" and others are "marxists" varies somewhat. but i dont see any insurmountable generational divides. i wager its more about class, lol. SHOCKER!!!!

25 - 50 is not boomers, and that 60 year old would turn into a screeching prop13-loving nimby/landlord the second anybody handed him a property deed backdated to 1982.

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

post less, so that others may post more. because your posts? they are super bad

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Smythe posted:

well i think anyone would. its hugely in their material interests and in america is the only way to escape wage slavery and constant drudgery.

what happened to building socialism?

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Xaris posted:

americans are very docile and still have "treats", ostensibly. things aren't that bad for me, look at those homeless, at least i'm still roofed and have a netflix. the bottom of the barrel could always be deeper.

plus it's still easy to steal food from self-checkouts

well that and all the cops. and the laws backing those cops. and the media backing the laws that back those cops. and all of the Capital standing behind all of that. other than that its super simple bro!!

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

is pepsi ok posted:

i really wonder how much this phenomena is based on computer touchers going "hmmm googling computer things makes me better at computers than everyone, so surely this will work for all other subjects"

this is the entire modern economy, hth

stalin was so loving right and its not even close. middle class specialists are garbage and need to be reeducated or purged, theyre like reactionary time bombs if you dont liquidate them soon enough

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

self-regulation works!

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Frosted Flake posted:

I think technically, if I was at any other ministry, where the DS group doesn't exist.



so you're a professional polls plane, did i get that right

ohhhhh canada ;)

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

Gonna lol when this turns into a “if you’re scared stay home” situation

you nailed it with the "public health becomes personal choice/personal failing" transition, any systemic problem will be chudified and converted to "if youre a scared little baby with 40 genders, dont participate, but if youre a virile american winner, youll put on american sniper, salute the tv, and eat the prion-burgs before 2nd amendmenting your spouse"

i know you idiots only remember sailor but you gotta keep in mind: its not DNA, its USA.

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

skooma512 posted:

The only reason anyone is trashing a grocery store in the US is if a beer brand makes a one off can design for a trans celebrity.

this country wants to go nazi SO loving BAD

im literally amazed we didnt side with the axis powers in ww2. the nazis modelled their racial purity laws after ours, i think we were just on a time delay or something. wrong timezone maybe? either way its happening, like ive never felt something with more conviction. america is gonna go full nazi in my lifetime.

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

Joe Biden could revert those rules since they were just executive decree but he will not lmao

if you dont like it

VOTE

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Nodelphi posted:

Good and interesting are so subjective. Better to stick to universally terrible works, like Faulkner.

faulkner is SO bad

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

ikanreed posted:

People who think early modern English is hard to understand baffle me.

Oh no, someone said loving "hath" I'm so confused!

i see you've never encountered 10,000 people all misunderstanding and misapplying "wherefore" in an attempt to seem fancy and learned

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

skooma512 posted:

I'm convinced the only reason public education hasn't been abolished already is because it houses football programs.

it's crazy realizing that if public libraries didn't exist as a concept in the US until now, they'd never, ever get created in today's climate. i'm honestly astonished that chud states haven't completely shut them all down and fired every worker (i know some are trying).

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

V. Illych L. posted:

apropos of nothing much i never understood the antipathy americans have for coming in to work in the office until i realised that you people all live an hour's drive away from your jobs, which is an astounding notion to me

we hate work for a lot of reasons, and that's just one. others include:

-there's no legally required time off for anybody, and it's completely legal for your boss to cancel your vacation hours before it begins.

-there's no national paid leave for new parents. you can get 12 weeks of unpaid leave, that's it, gently caress you

-health insurance, which is basically required to obtain healthcare in the US, is provided primarily through employers. except for the ones that don't--then you, the prole, get fined by the IRS, instead of them. you read that right: it is unlawful for us residents not to possess health coverage, and it is legal for their employers and the government not to provide it.

-in most states, it's legal for your boss to fire you for any reason or no reason, with no notice.

-in many states, politicians are actively trying to kill or immiserate all the non-rich. one state actually *decreased* their minimum wage, and many others are trying to kick people off of free federal health coverage (medicaid) because america lusts for death.

-in all cases, in all areas of life, enforcing your rights can only be done through the court system, which is unnavigable without a lawyer's help. boss loving you over? landlord loving you over? lol hope you already have money, and the judge isnt a landlord too, or trying to get reelected, or friends with your landlord and/or employer.

i honestly don't know how you explain this place, other than "there's a national death drive that can't be stopped". a whole country full of the dumbest, cruelest motherfuckers alive

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Nonsense posted:

Maybe I’ll be fired today. I will remind my manager

me every day

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Paradoxish posted:

It's really funny that people will basically line up for pay cuts just to avoid going into the office, but capital can't take advantage of this opportunity to crush labor because they're too tied up in commercial real estate.

my boss demanded that we start coming in to 'collaborate', then kept working from home whenever he feels like it.

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

ProperGanderPusher posted:

Miss the days when The Big Cheese would visit our office and we had to pretend to type stuff to give him the worker bee vibe he demanded from everyone, even though we had all finished our work hours ago.

me and my buddy at work used to pretend to take notes during our meetings with management, because we realized they psychologically expected it, like it was a given to them that what they had to say was Gold from the Gold Mine. bunch of smug do-nothings talking about Working Smarter, Not Harder and Good Enough, Isn't.

i forgot to fake it once and a manager got snippy with me lol "you don't seem very engaged in this strategy session"

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

wash bucket posted:

lol I've had bosses like that. "How can you be demotivated? I showed you the spreadsheets!"

my current boss's retention strategy is to get angry at people who are unhappy and want to leave, and then talk poo poo about them to remaining employees after they leave, and blame them for our problems

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Father Wendigo posted:

https://twitter.com/InternetHippo/status/1682407784439230465?t=PbU7gkMIomqQMZbSnmz65A&s=19

It's almost like the internet makes you stupid. :thunk:

Also, a little something from the FTX fallout (:rimshot:) :



these freaks arent human, they should be destroyed

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Marenghi posted:

There's a lesson in the communist citizens wanting to throw away their system for little treats the west enjoyed thanks to imperialism. They built a cotton empire on the backs of slavery and couped south america for american banana companies.

I think there's a streak of national chauvinism of workers in the imperial sphere, who know they may be poorer than the bourgeoisie but they benefit from treats that are only available through the imperialist exploitation of the global south. There's probably a bit of connection as to why racial discrimination against the global south is rife in those ex-commie countries like the Ukraine.

i enjoyed this

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Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Frosted Flake posted:

There was a book on eastern bloc agriculture I have somewhere around here that shows that they were able to grow tea, even kiwis and bananas in parts of the USSR, I think Central Asia, but the Soviets were looking to develop more-or-less equally and so, to their credit, didn't want internal bananas republics. That was a really incredible choice and I wish I could find the book because the politics behind it, it's fascinating. Treating the people of you know, the southern end of the middle of nowhere as workers who deserve development, and so proper development, industrialization, instead of maximizing the output of agricultural commodities that are in demand, that's pretty striking.


This is dope, whats the book plz

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