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PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Willo567 posted:

I should try to get into some Ducktales. All I know is the NES game

Oh and ducks have tails. I get it now.

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PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Gamerofthegame posted:

lmao the post office is dead because amazon relies on it heavily and trump hates bezos

I thought Amazon was transitioning away from the post? Although I guess they still need it for real areas.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006
The US isn't going to split in our lifetime you goofballs. The best case scenario would be Brexit times a million.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

evilweasel posted:

you don’t need to agree with it to recognize Biden is running basically on those average views.

This is completely wrong. The average Democratic voter is a lot closer to Bernie on policy and wants universal health care, higher taxes, wealth taxes, etc. The doner class is the group pushing back on this stuff and forcing a compromise in Biden, and that's why leftists are upset. It's not about conservative vs leftist Democrats, it's voters vs the wealthy interests controlling Democratic politicians.

Biden got the votes because the powers that be flooded mainstream discourse with the bogus notion that only Joe could beat Trump. The same powers that whine when progressives primary them while supporting primary challenges against popular progressives.

I'm starting to hate Obama. Best president of my lifetime who tried to cut entitlements and only failed because Republicans wouldn't take yes for an answer. In terms of leftist policy he took a step in the right direction and then erected a barricade. Maximum progress achieved, please don't tarnish Obama's reputation by asking for more.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

evilweasel posted:

Biden is basically ‘generic democratic candidate’

Wasn't expecting you to slam on Democrats. They're not all rapists!

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

evilweasel posted:

this is an article of faith among bernie supporters (as it needed to be for him to have a chance) but is not true. all evidence, including the actual results of the primaries (which disproved the bernie argument he could uniquely drive turnout and in particular youth turnout, and that biden was just too senile to even manage a debate) is that biden is a stronger GE candidate.

Even before 2016 you could find various studies and polls indicating that the electorate is more leftist than their candidates. Political policies and practices are influenced more by doners than by voters.

And Bernie did drive up turnout. We had a good dark laugh about all the interviews with voters who showed up because of Bernie but voted Biden anyway at the last minute because the media scared them about electability.

evilweasel posted:

this also ignores that if bernie couldn't deal with evil powers lying to the electorate, what the gently caress did he think was going to happen in the GE?

I think partisanship would have helped Bernie in the general, it obviously isn't a factor in the primary.

Besides that note, what is your point? We all agree it's hard to fight the establishment. Obviously giving up is easier, there's no debate on that.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Herstory Begins Now posted:

There's a very peculiar belief in the US that I never really can understand the basis for that just assumes that for some never-defined structural reason, things like vote fraud or election fuckery, paid plants (whether in protests or in the various public places where discussions happen, from literal town halls to academia to online forums) and the like just can not possibly exist here.
We talk about vote fraud all the time, where have you been? Particularly anywhere minorities vote.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

InsertPotPun posted:

prosperity gospel profit.

I gotta remember that one.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

smoobles posted:

There's a lot of layers to this picture. Her shirt implies she doesn't understand viruses, yet she's wearing a mask, but there's a hole cut in it. A rollercoaster of an image.

I assumed it was a form of protest, like "okay I'll wear it but not the way the commies want me to."

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Solaris 2.0 posted:

We have a leftist movement now in this country, largely thanks to Trump,

Bernie's surprising success in 2016 shows that this isn't true. In fact Bernie, the left, and Trump gained popularity largely for the the same reason, which is the failure of the 90s neoliberal consensus to improve people's lives.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

TyrantWD posted:

There is no one they could replace Biden with who would win. No candidate is palatable to all sides - especially if they are just handed the nomination.

The only reason anyone accepts Biden is to beat Trump so why would they make waves over a replacement? They'll just post on Facebook that the switch is undemocratic but anyway suck it up and vote blue no matter who.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

friendbot2000 posted:

This didnt have to loving happen. If that orange turd wasnt in office, most of my friends might still be alive. My fiance's grandmother might still be alive. Just....loving hell, this thread frustrates me so goddamn much sometimes.

Maybe if you think about all the people who feel this way about their friends and family who will suffer or die because Joe Biden is in office, you'll be able to accept why they would prefer Trump followed by the possibility of a leftist.

Not to down-play your own real problems, just saying that what works for you isn't a universal solution. People largely aren't rooting against Biden for laughs.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Crows Turn Off posted:

Who would die under Biden that wouldn't die under Trump?

Have you considered that Trump vs Biden is not the sum total of the universe? Millions are dying and millions more are suffering as long as we accept right-wing politicians regardless of party. Whether you want Trump to win in the hopes that it makes the Democratic party easier to take over by weakening the conservative establishment, or you just want to make clear you will only vote for leftists, the point is that the minor reduction in harm provided by Biden is not adequate to surrender leftist goals.

Claiming that people who don't vote for Biden think Trump is a good president or whatever is just moronic and asinine.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

friendbot2000 posted:

My loved ones don't get to die just so your loving "team" wins at politics. This is absolutely monstrous.

Some of us have loved ones that will die if Biden wins, monsterism is in the eye of the beholder. Sorry your loving team is nominating a right-wing rapist capitalist.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

eke out posted:

so you're not even going to try to answer the question then

I reject the premise of the question on the grounds that it is stupid. You're just deliberately ignoring the point so you can browbeat people into voting for the candidate you don't like.

I'm genuinely befuddled by all the people going on about how "look I hate Biden too but how could anyone not vote for this rear end in a top hat?" I get that people have specific issues and Biden checks enough boxes for some folks that it's worth holding your noses, but how can you not understand that he's a bridge too far for some people? Are you being deliberately obtuse? Do you really believe that only your own issues are life-and-death, and anyone else's issues are pure vanity?

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

GreyjoyBastard posted:

Joe Biden's stated healthcare plan is expanded Medicaid, expanded Medicare, and a public option that is technically Medicare For All in the sense that it is literally structured after Medicare's implementation and means-tested premiums. Donald Trump's healthcare plan is "repeal the ACA, let everyone with preexisting conditions / receiving expanded Medicaid / receiving subsidies die".

Joe Biden's stated climate plan is carbon neutral by 2050. Donald Trump's climate plan is carbon neutral when all oxygen-breathing life on the planet is dead.

Joe Biden's stated immigration plan is to put immigrant families in communities that share their language and provide them with case agents, lawyers, and holistic and community support. Donald Trump's immigration plan is to put immigrant families in cages where they will contract covid19 and die.

The rebuttal which people are already at this moment rearing up to post is that Joe Biden won't try to fulfill his platform, or will try halfheartedly and fail, or even if he succeeds it's not good enough, or even if he succeeds it will lead to Richard Spencer 2024 and the end of the world. And you know, they have a point in some of that. But you asked for a difference, and if he succeeds in literally any of that, never mind the pile of other planks if you Check His Website, that's actual positives vs Not Being Trump.

This effectively means Biden and Trump have the same climate plan, for the record. Joe's immigration plan is basically the same as Trump's, which is the same as the decades-old neoliberal consensus, except for the photo-unfriendly aspect of putting literal children in literal cages. I'm sure Joe will let kids crash on a nice couch for a few months before sending them to die at the hands of Central American drug gangs. It's a plan that is less outwardly cruel, because the cruelty is being laundered in a conventional way.

The only thing Biden proposes that I see having a chance at real material difference is the Public Option. I'm a bit skeptical, given that he has bent over backwards to protest "socialist malarky" and assure capitalists that nothing will fundamentally change. But if he gets elected that's the thing I'll be most hopeful for. I don't expect much.

Ultimately, my electoral votes will go to Trump regardless of anything I do. My vote will be a symbolic show of support for a candidate. So, I'm not going to support Joe Crime Bill NAFTA Oil-Digging Citibank-Senator Woman-assaulting Biden. I understand why some swing-state residents might feel like he's worth voting for. I don't really understand why red/blue state leftists would vote for him, but I'm not your Dad so I guess it's your choice.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

enraged_camel posted:

That's... pretty straightforward? At the time I had that conversation with said friend, Dr. Ford had already given her testimony under oath, and Kavanaugh's defense had very clear and obvious gaps and contradictions that shed doubt on what he was claiming. That's when the American Bar Association and the Jesuit Magazine came out against Kavanaugh. Which my friend still did not think was good enough, and went on that tirade, and declared that the only evidence he was willing to accept was actual "hard" evidence like a video or a photo showing the assault occurring. So I got frustrated and posted the email that you quoted.

The evidence against Joe Biden seems if anything a little stronger than the evidence against Kav. I mean, in addition to contemporary testimony we have copious video evidence of Joe publicly being an enormous creep to women.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

evilweasel posted:

you have people who literally got serious systemic changes in their state in much more than "relatively small ways" by doing actual serious work instead of shouting "don't vote"

That serious work included electing socialists to the legislature who are pushing these changes. If your takeaway from that is to elect a conservative who promises not to enact any socialist malarkey as the best pathway to socialism, then I don't know what to tell you.

Besides, don't you live in New York? You can claim to be the put-upon pragmatist making The Hard Decision, but your EVs are committed to Biden regardless. Pragmatically, there's absolutely no reason for you to vote for Biden unless you genuinely support him. (If you're commuting from Allentown or something then disregard I guess.)

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006
I think, in short, local organizing just isn't as powerful on the national level as on the local level. I mean, it's not like Lee Carter was getting dragged on MSNBC as far as I know.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

evilweasel posted:

Any good links to read up on it?

I think oxygen is the step immediately before ventilation.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006


The Article posted:

If a hornet does get caught in a trap, Dr. Looney said, there are plans to possibly use radio-frequency identification tags to monitor where it goes — or simply attach a small streamer and then follow the hornet as it returns to its nest.

While most bees would be unable to fly with a disruptive marker attached, that is not the case with the Asian giant hornet. It is big enough to handle the extra load.
:aaa:

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Paracaidas posted:

None of this is treading new ground for most folks ITT, but I'm only linking the first post because this sort of misery ought to be opt-in. tl;dr lot of history means there is little imagination involved.

https://mobile.twitter.com/michaelharriot/status/1256783957900869633

Wow, America sure was racist before 2008.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

When does he outright declare himself a prophet of god.

I thought he already did that?

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

evilweasel posted:

this is a nonsense narrative that “bend the knee!!!” berniebros have talked themselves into to explain away their loss

Biden had a massive lead throughout all aspects of the primary except the short period between Iowa and Sputh Carolina. Bernie lost fair and square and these narratives that actually biden is just a continuation of trump is nonsense hardcore berners needed to try and pretend was true to dislodge the massively popular former vp and wound up believing their own propaganda.

Are you arguing that the establishment didn't rally around Biden, or that the establishment squashing leftist candidates is a good thing, or that it didn't matter and Biden is just super good at retail politics starting in the fourth primary state?

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

evilweasel posted:

Except that he blew the doors off in South Carolina to such a degree that certain farsighted individuals could immediately see he was in a stronger position than Bernie.

To what do you attribute Biden's success, beyond the establishment media calling him the only electable candidate and ignoring all his weaknesses for the duration of the primary?

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Raenir Salazar posted:

This isn't a very strong argument. Many people argued that the reason why Bernie should win instead of say, Warren, was specifically because he was going to against the interest of the interest of capital, why would they give him a "fair" shake as a result? Why isn't the onus on Bernie's campaign to account for the media possibly not providing "fair and balanced" coverage?

What point are you making here? The establishment was never going to allow a fair election without putting their thumbs on the scale to quash leftism, therefore the left should support the establishment?

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Doctor Butts posted:

Had there been a real upswell of Bernie support, the news would have absolutely tried to capitalize on it. Maybe not to the point of crowning him the front runner, but things such as making it a sport where Bernie is the big 'underdog' and it's some kind of fight for the 'real soul' of the Democratic party.

That really didn't happen.

What an absurd thing to say. Does winning the first three primaries not count as an upswell of support? He consistently had much better polling than any of the other candidates not-named Biden, but I don't remember Chris Matthews accusing Mayor Pete of wanting to murder him.

I just don't understand the parade of posters responding to complaints about the establishment with "well obviously they were going to prefer Bernie." Nobody is disputing that the establishment sucks; that's why we wanted Bernie to win, and that's why many of us won't unconditionally support the Democratic party!

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I think the actual primary schedule itself was unintentionally the biggest challenge to any candidate who wasn't Biden. It's been known for a long time that African-u time for the bounce to subside, or for other candidates to react and knock him down a peg.

And while I don't think that was deliberate, I expect to see the 2024 schedule set up to similarly favor the establishment candidate.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Solaris 2.0 posted:

The fact is in 2020 people really wanted a "not Bernie" candidate to go against Trump

You're sort of skipping the important part here. The polling was very clear that Bernie was just as popular as Biden, and don't comparably in head-to-head polling. It's a manufactured fact to say that most Democrats were anti-Bernie (or anti-anyone, for the most part). The notion that Bernie couldn't beat Trump didn't come from the electorate; it was wholly invented by the same establishment figures who crowned Pete and Klob the winners of Iowa and New Hampshire.

That isn't to say that the Bernie campaign made zero tactical mistakes, but let's not convince ourselves that the establishment was doing anything other than trying to stop the left at all costs.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Spite posted:

Bernie was popular among people that are young, and a subset of very politically involved people.

You're talking about voter selection. I'm talking about approval/disapproval responses. Bernie was fairly popular outside of the people who voted for him, which is why it is wrong to say people were desperate to vote against him. Voters moved against him because the media pronounced that he couldn't beat Trump, not because people didn't like him.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Lube banjo posted:

Protesting the thing you don't want by doing the thing that causes the thing. 5 letters

"Stupid"

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Mat Cauthon posted:

There are plenty of leftists, progressives, etc who live in the south and/or red states, not to mention large populations if poor, minority, and otherwise marginalized people who for all intents and purposes have been disenfranchised or undermined as a voting bloc. Hurting those people to make a point about punishing Republicans is a bad idea and it's bad politics. Cenk should know better than most that Republican states aren't poorly run so much as deliberately structured to maximize crushing entrenched poverty and dehumanizing oppression for all but the privileged few in their enclaves.

Also Cenk deploying the loving racist, sexist, poor shaming dogwhistle of "welfare queen" should tell you everything you need to know about why he's wrong and ultimately a piece of poo poo who probably wouldn't even be on this side of the fence if he didn't have a privileged position from which to pontificate.

Also red states are poor, and vice versa, because Republicans respect them (through ineffectual culture worship) while Democrats just flip them off and say "Lurn2Code and move to a real state". So while it's a fun rhetorical cudgel, the Democrats are just as much to blame for the poorness and redness of those states.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Ok Comboomer posted:

The funding doesn’t really reflect that tho.

Like that’s just a feeling that you have based on comments made by people with zero say over the matter. The Obama admin certainly wasn’t telling red states to get hosed and “lol learn2code”

You don't think the nation's wealth and paying jobs have accreted in New York and SoCal? Why do you think flyover states are receiving more in welfare than they pay in taxes? Our past federal policies of spreading wealth and jobs around the country were abandoned, with neoliberal support.

Here's a link about Obama totally not just telling people who lost their jobs to retrain for new jobs that don't exist: https://time.com/65635/obama-job-training-initiative/

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

These people are still going to football games during a pandemic where 2 million people died. This means they are heroes. There's no other possible interpretation. Please don't think about causality.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Booourns posted:

You could just make a separate thread for posting random off topic videos in, then you wouldn't have to read the tweets

Everyone boo this man.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

evilweasel posted:

The senate, assuming trump loses (which is an important assumption, both from the VP tiebreaker and setting a baseline), is currently about a tossup.

Do you mean that the median outcome is that Trump loses and the Senate is a tossup? If you're only looking at scenarios where Trump loses, I would expect at least a Democratic lean to the Senate.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

evilweasel posted:

online learning is loving worthless

and even if it wasn't, if you think that parents will tolerate their kids being taught online instead of going to school so they are out of the house you do not spend a lot of time around parents

Decision makers (old people) don't give a poo poo about parents, that's why we don't have widespread public preK or day care.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

evilweasel posted:

first, he's talking about NYC and i can assure you that parents vote in nyc and will riot if the mayor/governor tries to replace school with "online learning"

That's interesting, if I were making a list of cities run by public school parents, NYC would've been last on my list.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

I wish reporters could make these guys explain what they mean by this. We can't grow food or maintain buildings unless we open the nail salons?

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Guze posted:

I checked the nextdoor for my neighborhood and apparently theres some baby foxes around

I came home one day and some folks were in the driveway with an unmarked white van and I'm like, what the gently caress are these people don't here? But it was just some rescue outfit returning a fox to the outdoors. I still don't know why they had to do it in my yard but whatever, at least I got a neighborhood fox out of it.

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PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

1glitch0 posted:

CNN is reporting that the virus can stay in men's semen after they've recovered. Cornovirus might be able to be sexually transmitted.

Is it considered an STD if it's only transmitted through hand jobs?

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