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Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Nix Panicus posted:

lmao just remembered that extended SNAP benefits ended last week because they just couldn't find the money to keep it going

:rubby:

It ended because more money for us, gently caress you.

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Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Yudo posted:

This banking thing seems pretty easy we should all get into it.

All you need to get started is a big pile of money!

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Antonymous posted:

how come the page count number is so low I thought number go up

The mods have sinned against number. We must send our posts in atonement.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Paradoxish posted:

There was a reason that senators were talking about a bailout within hours of things kicking off. People should honestly be livid at the government response here.

The US is an oligarchy and most people either havent noticed, dont care or think its good.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

err posted:

The US has a lot of tools to maintain dollar hegemony. Other countries are trying to chip away at us though. They smell blood.

Who is this "us"? Why do you identify with dollar hegemony lol?

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
Scam corps in a scam empire running on a scam ideology.

The weapons are scams too but unfortunately will still kill you dead.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Raskolnikov38 posted:

there is no way that Greece number is accurate

e: or malta

A big part of that number is just measuring what % of workers is working part time.

Greece has a very low number of part time employees.

Also the unemployed don't count as workers.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

SKULL.GIF posted:

Yeah it's this. Yahoo almost immediately swept the legs out from Tumblr and the userbase fled en masse.

The exact same thing is gonna happen to Reddit when it IPOs.

What banning porn does to a motherfucker.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Father Wendigo posted:

Ooh, that looks like an interesting reaOh God I am not paying $292

If only there was a way to both read and not pay 292 dollars.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

anime was right posted:

the best part about all of this is there are no other search engines besides google and bing. if theres a search engine that you think is run by someone else? guess what, its just modified bing or google results

China has no search engines?

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
Conflicting but complementary theories... what?

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Justin Tyme posted:

Train derailments are totally normal (because the tracks are all 80 years old and warped to poo poo, and no we won't fix them)

80 years is actually very young please take your age discrimination out of here

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

Back during the 2008-2009 mortgage crisis, people were just straight up being foreclosed on and evicted from properties they were current on payments with. There were "document recovery companies" whose entire job was to "recover" (fabricate) documents saying that these homeowners were in default.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/testimony/duke20101118a.htm

https://seekingalpha.com/article/228983-foreclosuregate

It's still insane to me that nobody shot any judges and/or bank execs over this poo poo.

Americans will just let people steal their goddamn house.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

zetamind2000 posted:

The average sheriff's department having assault rifles and at least one apc puts a damper on things

If somebody was stupid enough to run a country in such a way where I was allowed to own an assault rifle and the bank was allowed to steal my and my neighbours' houses, some poo poo would go down.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Grapplejack posted:

to be fair that is a really nice kitchen

I agree though vancouver streamers that own property shouldn't be allowed to complain about money stuff

Carpet in front of the counters/oven? That thing is going to get so disgusting.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Orvin posted:

McKinsey is helping my company with a plan to become a utility of the future.

Also Mr Evrart is helping me find my gun.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

StratGoatCom posted:

Yup, the bubble is near the top - trouble is, I think it's liable to take much of the economy down with it.

Ironically, I think Mistral may be one of the lasting outfits because they're planning a product compliant with the draft european law.

AI is going to destroy us, just not in the cool Terminator or Matrix kind of way but in the boring dumb economic bubble way.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

jemand posted:

It's still not a GOOD llm use case.

Might not be good, but it could be very profitable.


The real issue there being that lawmakers don't understand any of this poo poo. They understand you just throwing out all your safety documentation and instructions as being against the law, and likely to cost them votes, so they act on that poo poo. But dumping legislation created to protect regular people from corporations through the obfuscation of tech is a time honoured tradition at this point.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Mola Yam posted:

it's possible, with how janky this thing is, that they "just" lost comms and successfully surfaced and are bobbing around somewhere in a sealed vat

Suffocated to death on the surface might be the funniest outcome tbh

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Nuclear War posted:

They're rich. they'd be able to pilot it through Superior Work Ethic

Yeah 100% theyre killing the only person capable of doing any work first.




I gotta say though, this submersible is a good Black Mirror promo.

What if submersible, but too much?

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Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Brimruk posted:

On a long enough timeline nature is healing and I think that's beautiful

Is it this forum that was posting about the billionaire tech guy that eats 300 supplements a day and boofs his son's blood to stay young forever but still looks like poo poo and will inevitably die?

Is this Thiel? This sounds like Thiel.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
I'm very confident I am significantly less stupid than Ben Dreyfuss.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

conserving energy is for cucks —— don’t listen to ERCOT!!!

Should roll some coal in response imo

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

mycomancy posted:

I spent my lunch break looking into how much coal and oil waste is generated and now I'm absolutely 100% convinced anti-nuke power is supported entirely by International Capital. I also haven't gotten legitimately angry in a while and boy howdy did this do it.

It’s always fun when someone crack pings themselves with this.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

mycomancy posted:

The thing is I never knew how much more toxic fossil fuel power is vs. nuclear. I think most people have heard this and think, "oh sure, you make 50% less waste with nukes but it lasts forever," but in reality it's four orders of mother loving magnitude more waste from fossil fuels and the toxic coal and oil waste lasts forever as well, but they don't decay like nuclear waste does.

Yah it's a very funny topic because it's so easy to see that the whole system is bullshit and rigged if you do even the tiniest bit of reading on it. Hardly anyone bothers though. And if you try to talk to anyone about it you're a boring + dumb nerd.


RadiRoot posted:

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1670967257432834048

china seeing lesser exports. recession imminent!

An expert huh?

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Morbus posted:

he thought there was 96 hours of air because he left the hatch open for 96 hours before they begin their voyage.

Could someone calculate the volume of the submersible and tell me how much air could be in there and crosscheck that with the average hourly consumpion of 5 adult males?



Mr Hootington posted:

The funniest outcome is the sub is found, but only 1 person is alive and it is obvious they murdered each other.

This would have only been funny if they had been found within like 24 hours or something imo



Edit: how much water do these assholes have anyway? 4 days, 5 people, you need a lot of water. Also if you're bobbing on the surface, good luck keeping the water inside your body.

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Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Lacrosse posted:

700 migrants lost their lives recently and nobody gives a drat, but a handful of billionaire dipshits with a death wish go missing and everyone loses their minds

The fact that these happened within a week of eachother and the difference in response really ought to clue people in on the whole class awareness thing but nope.


skooma512 posted:

* PAUL-HENRI NARGEOLET. The 77-year-old French explorer, whom media say is one of the five on board, is director of underwater research at a company that owns the rights to the Titanic wreck.

He thought he owned the Titanic wreck, but the Titanic wreck owned him.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

gradenko_2000 posted:

it's always "he's 19 years old" and not "he's still the son of a billionaire who would never want for anything in his life"

they keep hammering the age part because looking at these people through the lens of class means none of them are sympathetic!

Do I want to look up what Ben Dreyfuss tweeted about Trayvon Martin when that went down?

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Frosted Flake posted:

“That may involve spending more than BAH and getting rid of pets.”

lol why can’t we retain anyone?!

Pay for the privilege of being shot at.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

:yeah:

To be more serious, though: the '00s gave us W, 9/11, and the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

Tremendous content.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Zodium posted:

an economy can never be fully fictitious or financial. the transition to a service economy reflected the imperial core bourgeoisie's striving for material independence of the local proletariat through leveraging labor in the periphery, as far as possible reducing imperial core labor to non-critical functions such that they could not threaten the system's stability by withholding labor anymore. its contribution is supposed to be negligible; this was a central element of the wholly decentralized economic relations produced under cybernetic capitalism. as of covid, that's been ending. as the imperial core increasingly loses its hold on the periphery, the core bourgeoisie correspondingly becomes forced to increasingly rely on the local proletariat again, which is why they're bringing home the oppressive measures once reserved for the periphery. the machinery will do whatever it can to maintain stability of the system. it will do so by a kind of verticalization of the current horizontal structure, i.e., a smaller system that presses down on the local proletariat rather than co-opting it as well paid office workers administrating the machinery which exploits the periphery, and it will be worse for american and european workers, who will experience intensified exploitation and worsening material conditions, but potentially better for the periphery.

I mean yeah but also if the american and european proletariat once again becomes important enough to be able to threaten the system's stability by withholding their labour...

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Lol this thing weighs nearly the same as a Panzer I or a MkVI light tank.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

gradenko_2000 posted:

tiktok likes to show me videos of Indians preparing chicken biryani in gigantic pots that they then serve to hundreds of people at a time and it makes me think that that kind of mass food prep is an example of "productive forces" that socialism could/should harness as a counterpoint to individual households having to cook their own meals for just 1-3 people over and over

like, if we're going to look at restaurants, and even gig economy food delivery, as capitalist affectations, then the response is having a lot more canteens and pantries

I really don't give a gently caress about how the productive forces are organized as long as I regularly get Indian food tbh

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Orvin posted:

I have never watched Babylon 5, and decided to give that a watch. Found out it is only available on the free services. And bonus that Roku’s service is supposed to have ads, but an ad blocker I had previously installed on Firefox manages to seamlessly skip the ads.

Might work for the other free services if you are watching on a PC or streaming from PC to a TV.

Never watched it either but am thinking about it, posts some thoughts like a season in to help me decide if its worth the time thanks.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

gradenko_2000 posted:

anyway I was reading Bernie Sanders's latest book and he brings up a point that I'd never quite grasped before: the specific way in which automation is pursued, developed, and implemented ends up being expressed in a very specific (one might say "mutated") fashion because of how capitalism means it's only done with the goal of eliminating labor and dodging taxes

if you have ten employees making doohickeys, you have to pay them, and you have to pay a payroll tax for employing them

you don't want automation that makes the job safer, you just want automation that eliminates as many of those ten employees as possible. You might not even be pursuing automation that's more productive, because the thing you're really trying to get away from, is paying their wages, and paying the payroll tax

and because this is the only goal of automation, there are avenues of automation that are never explored. I suppose it's similar to how in pharmaceuticals, "treatments" are more popular than long-term cures, or procedures that cater to rare conditions, because those things are not profitable

Also if you do eliminate those jobs your profits will eventually go down because exploiting labour is the only long-term source of profit. Short term you might have reduced your operating costs vs competitors and thus be able to (only slightly) undercut their prices to gain more market share and profits (the delta between your cost savings and your new, only slightly lower price), but as they catch up to your automation innovation, as long as there is competition and you're not in a rent-seeking position, prices will fall all the way to reflect the reduced cost of the manufacturing process minus 10 workers plus the cost of the automation.


xiaoren posted:

All else equal, doesn't more productive workers mean less workers, though?

It could mean more wealth generally. Aka, more output to be shared among the population. Or it could mean less hours worked per worker to receive the same output, whic is also a form of wealth for those workers.

In practice though, yes.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
It's called Lean and Just in Time or maybe Agile.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
I have worked for a company that reduced headcount because (software) automation would soon be implemented.

It wasn't soon implemented.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Complications posted:

Counter argument - slash the jobs, keep your price the same, use the increased profit margin to take out loans, buy up your competitors until there are only a handful of companies around who did the same thing, then everybody raises prices by 300% while lamenting increased costs due to insert crisis here in press releases and celebrating massive profits in shareholder conferences.

Bam! Everyone wins.

"as long as there is competition"


If there is no competition you are able to command rentseeking prices at which point your incentive to invest in automation exists only if expected labour cost savings > expected automation costs. Your selling price becomes completely decoupled from your production costs and instead becomes coupled to the costs of a substition product or the costs of entry of a new player in the market to become your competition. If no substitution product exists and costs to entry are sufficiently high, I guess your price becomes capped by the likelihood of inducing government antitrust or otherwise regulatory action, or inducing revolution.

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Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Shear Modulus posted:

The owner of the dick sucking factory extracts rents from every dick sucked

Dick sucking landlord

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Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
Uhhh, ofcourse they matter, it means they make more when they lend out some of that cash.

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