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Aug 9, 2003

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Neodoomium posted:

Michael Ramirez loving sucks.

Like, as a human being. Not just as a cartoonist.

I don't think you need that qualifier. He sucks at both.

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Aug 9, 2003

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Sandpuppy posted:

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I see Lester's been teaching Jesus his technique.

I love that he did this just a few weeks after his nativity cartoon that casts the Romans as the good guys.

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Aug 9, 2003

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AngrySpork posted:

Ok, this is epic

Also who is the guy with the eyebrows and who is the dictator?

I think it's a generic stand in for all the generals who have been criticizing Trump lately.

Tobermory posted:

This is asinine in so many ways. What gets me the most is the "fake evil". I'm pretty sure Kirschen still thinks BDS is authentic, genuine evil.

That's exactly what he is saying, fake evil is referring to Israel apartheid. He's saying that the causes these groups are opposing is fake evil and that the groups themselves are the real evil. The whole message boils down to, "No, you!"



Where have I seen that third guy before?

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Aug 9, 2003

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HobbitGrease posted:

A good measure of political cartoonist hackiness is if their obituary cartoons require explanation.

A school mascot crying is very hacky, but clear what it's about assuming you know who the person is. Just no one, other than Virginia College football fans, likely gives a poo poo.

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Aug 9, 2003

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I can honestly say I would never have guessed this as a reference that would show up in a political cartoon.


Go on. Keep telling yourself that, nazi.

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Aug 9, 2003

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Pants Donkey posted:

Not if it’s lazier that he stopped doing the same joke every year in order to extend the same minimal effort joke he does every year.

Seriously, imagine doing New Year’s jokes three weeks into January.

Just in time for Valentine jokes.

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Aug 9, 2003

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:ironicat:

I would be hard pressed to come up with a more accurate description of Dilbert than, "Empty vessel for transporting sarcasm."

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Aug 9, 2003

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CuwiKhons posted:

I got caught in the exact moment of cursive going out of style. All through elementary school and some parts of middle school, my teachers were like "You must write in cursive - it's the only thing high school teachers and college professors will accept!" and it was loving awful. By the time I hit high school? Printed papers were where it was at and once I was in college, if I'd tried to turn in a handwritten paper, even if it was written in print, my professors would have looked at me like I was an idiot. I long for the day no one knows how to write in cursive because goddamn it's loving hard to read.

I remember hearing that in elementary school as well, and looking back, I'm pretty sure just the kind of bullshit they tell kids rather than having to defend sinking all that time into a useless skill. Having talked with people in their 70's and 80's today, when they were in college, they were expected to turn in papers that had been typed on a typewriter. I can't imagine a professor, or anyone else, wanting to read 40 different 10 page papers all written in messy rear end cursive.

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Aug 9, 2003

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Charlz Guybon posted:

I live in S. Korea and Internet Explorer is required to use so many websites, especially government and banking sites. :psyduck:

Samurai Sanders posted:

Yeah I'm gonna have to use it to do my Japanese taxes soon. I mean, either that or go to the tax office and use their PCs there, which also run some ancient version of IE.

Is there some reason that government websites in east Asia require IE? Any explanation at all other then bureaucratic inertia?

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Aug 9, 2003

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Trapezium Dave posted:

I'm pretty sure the choice is between these:



edit: I'm not sure I have a preference as I'm curious about where Rall goes for all of these.

I see that Zeke the Plumber finally got his biography.

Voting trump. I want to see what one insecure, egotistical moron thinks of another.

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Aug 9, 2003

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there wolf posted:

Nah, there is a ton of right-wing "the world is a hellscape because communism/ we respected civil rights too much" fiction out there. It's just not all that popular, especially to kids right now.

My bet is Tinsley is being an old man yelling at the fading trend for dystopia in teen movies, set off by having to sit through a trailer for one recently.

There was this thread from a few years back for instance.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3802382

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Aug 9, 2003

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Throwing Turtles posted:

I did a Let's Read of Johnston's first book Out of the Ashes before the election. The guy was really weird by modern standards. You can see a lot of the goofy conservative conspiracy theory crap in place in the early 80s.

Things like liberals just want there to be crime because you don't want to hurt peoples feelings. You also have a white guy writing a token black guy so you can see he isn't racist. Also the main bad guys are Illinois Nazi's. There's a lot of gang banger racist stereo types in there as well.

But the really weird thing in this after the bomb story. He get's all his like minded individuals together to form their perfect society. And it's communism. Flat out communism. The government makes sure you have a job, everybody has health care. Everybody contributes to defense. In times of trouble everybody is expected to pitch in.

It almost reaches the point society works without government. There's nothing for government to do. The workers revolution is complete, if your neighbor needs something you have the means to give it.

And he managed to blunder into this without ever taking his eyes off of a rigid set of right wing talking points. And he wrote like 30 of these books before he died.

Atlas Shrugged kinda has the same thing, Galt's Gulch is a post scarcity utopia with unlimited free energy and robot workers. Despite, every citizen being an ubermensch capitalist/industrialist none of them ever compete with each other with each of them picking one industry and managing the entire thing themselves. There is no crime or disease, government consists of a single judge who doesn't appear to do anything. They say charity is anathema to their society, but they never charge each other more than a symbolic amount, and the oil man continues to drill and sell oil despite it being worthless compared to the perpetual motion generator.

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Aug 9, 2003

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He's already badly hosed any republican with a competitive 2020 reelection. Six republican senators broke rank to vote with the dems for a bill they already knew would not pass. If he does this again, he may see a full blown split and revolt from his coalition.

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Aug 9, 2003

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Shugojin posted:

I thought using your own blood was just something athletes were doing to make it so you can't just do a DNA test and say "hmmm looks like more than one person in here" and that you could do it with any blood type that your body will accept.

That's why they use there own blood, yes. Blood doping just temporarily increases your circulating red blood cells, which in turns allows you to make a longer sustained effort since your blood will more quickly carry oxygen and remove waste products from tissues. Your body qill quickly return to normal afterwords since reb blood cells breakdown quickly and they extra ones won't be replaced. It's not Elizabeth Báthory bathing in the blood of virgins for eternal life as Thiel seems to think.

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Aug 9, 2003

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Feinne posted:

I also feel like you probably want to be somewhat careful how often and how much you do that, yes? I feel like every time you're doing it you are putting some stress on your body's ability to clear the poo poo those extra cells dump into your system as they lyse.

This is also a good point. Blood doping carries a degree of risk even for elite level athletes in their late teens and early twenties. If you don't have the liver and kidney clearance of an Adontis you can get yourself into trouble. And in extreme cases the doping itself can raise viscosity of blood and cause circulatory failure.

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Aug 9, 2003

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Pants Donkey posted:

Also, Spiegelman drew that cartoon, so he’s probably okay with it.

Also also, his relationship with Maus is complicated, as I think at one point he felt guilt over getting a degree of fame over his parents’ and people’s suffering.

Yeah, the second book was published 7 or so years after the first since he spent so long working on it and includes parts about his ambivalence for how the first was received and his worry about how his portrayal of his father fed into greed Jewish stereotypes.

It goes without saying, but anyone who hasn't read Maus really should. It's every bit as good as it's reputation and is more approachable than most Holocaust literature.

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Aug 9, 2003

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Welcome to caption hell! :getin:

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Aug 9, 2003

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Ramos posted:

Death of the Author, there is no correct way to consume media.

If we are discussing Rall, then "in the hearth" is the objectively correct way for the media to be consumed.

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Aug 9, 2003

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Pants Donkey posted:

Imagine being an artist and wanting to fill half of your drawings with :words:

But enough about first dog on the moon.

The ridiculous amount of captions is a direct result of Rall being a poo poo artist. If he could actually draw decipherable action and faces with a level of detail that the reader could see emotion, then he wouldn't need to caption every single panel to explain what to the read what they are even looking at. I can think of a number of comics I have read that contain long stretches entirely without words, able to convey plot and characterization entirely visually. Rall may as well not even draw anything, the pictures convey no meaning. You could delete them entirely without effecting the storytelling at all.

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Aug 9, 2003

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Jurgan posted:

I was alluding to Ayn Rand.

The judges would also have accepted Mussolini. Honestly, there are probably a ton of other right wing figures that are really into trains. Power worshiping authoritarians get off on symbols of industry.

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Aug 9, 2003

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Raised By Birds posted:



Gay people were cool before they sold out, man.

The most generous read possible is that he wants gay movement to focus on economic justice. The less generous interpretation is that Rall doesn't give a poo poo at all, he just likes masturbating to the thought that someone out there is fighting the man. Even trying to be as generous as possible to Rall, it's still about how the gay rights should really focus on these things that Rall wants, as oppose to what the actual activists doing the work want.


Pants Donkey posted:

There is a view that gay rights became more about assimilation into the heteronormative culture instead of the culture itself changing in any grand way. That’s why the face of gay rights tended to be milquetoast, middle-class dads instead of poor trans lesbians in multiple relationships. I know we can argue about tempering expectations and how to successfully get across ideas to people diametrically opposed to them, but there are camps in the queer community that feel like we had to change more to accommodate straight people than vice versa. In simpler terms, it’s “gay people should marry” vs. “why do we place such a cultural importance on this old and outdated concept?”.

But do not, even for a second, confuse this with thinking Rall is correct in any way. He’s the teenager that never grew out of his punk rock phase and just wants to seem rebellious because it’s cool.

There is a real conversation here, but one that Rall has no place throwing in his two cents in. He has no connection with the LBGTQ community, and as we have seen in his comics seems to treat gay and trans people with a mix of condescension and vague disgust. LBGTQ rights are something he treats like a band he was into back when they were underground, rather than people's loving lives.

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Aug 9, 2003

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VitalSigns posted:

Lol remember when Bill OReilly went to a restaurant in Harlem and was astonished at black people using silverware and having polite dinner conversation

Wait, really? That seems a bridge to far even for O'Reilly.

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Aug 9, 2003

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RoboRodent posted:

Please don't send us your toxic waste.

Ok, you drive a hard bargain and I respect that. Tell ya what, though. You can have it for free if you just haul it away.

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Aug 9, 2003

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Thank you, Branco for continuing to be the dumbest human alive. I look forward to more insight on how government is supposed to work.

Going to need some more context on that Loujie.

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Aug 9, 2003

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betaraywil posted:

Yeah, exactly: The incompetence makes it harder to parse. Like "I watch too much porn. Maybe I'm gay now" has virtually no connection to a consumerist paradise and must therefore be a window into Rall's weird psyche. "Wilding" meanwhile is a direct reference to a contemporary attitude he's (very plausibly) trying to attack with the decision to include RSA-level segregation in his dystopia.

In the middle, you have "I experience sexual attraction in the form of wanting to rape and murder strangers" which really was what Catholic Schools in the 90s said would happen to you if you watched too much porn (source: Me. A priest told me that watching porn would lead to gay porn would lead to bestiality porn would lead to snuff films). It's impossible to discern from this terrible book whether he's taking that sex-panic straight and labeling murder-rape fantasies as a likely outcome of Third Wave Feminism, or whether he's making fun of Those Catholics and he integrated that critique in an incoherent way, or whether that's how Ted Rall thinks about sex.

I feel completely adrift every time Somfin posts one of these horrible spreads because I can't trust Rall to write competently, and so I can't trust myself to call him an rear end in a top hat for the right reasons.

There is another possibility in that Rall is just throwing poo poo at a wall with no larger concerns than being edgy and vaguely following the structure of 1984. It's all speculation, but I assume that his thought process for the black ghetto sequence was no more complex than proles are an important element in 1984 so I need to include an equivalent, black people are an oppressed underclass in America, therefore the proles are now the blacks. I don't think the commentary runs any deeper than this.

Ironically, I think Rall is unwittingly embodying one of Orwell's arguments. That muddled, incoherent writing is often the direct result of muddled, incoherent thinking. If a person sets out to write something without a clear idea of what they want to say specifically, as oppose to a general approval or disapproval, than they end up with incomprehensible gibberish. Rall vaguely disproves of modern consumerism and is trying to satirize it, but completely fails because he didn't identify any particular points of society that he disapproves of specifically and why.

I'm also not inclined to give Rall the benefit of the doubt that the creepy sex and violence stuff is him parodying misogyny rather than him embodying it. Given how much creepy misogynistic content that he as otherwise produced (affirmative consent tricks innocent men into being jailed for rape).

I dont know fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Feb 21, 2019

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Aug 9, 2003

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Jurgan posted:

Also, Rallston is (or at least was) hoping for a revolution of blacks to destroy society, but knowing what we know about Ted Rall he would put his own white avatar as the leader of that revolution. He's going the full Charles Manson with that one.

That old hallmark of good writing, when your protagonists motivations swing wildly from moment to moment for literally no reason. One of the most basic problems with this whole ordeal and why no one can figure out what the gently caress Rall really wants to say with this is that Rallston can't decide whether or not he likes the system. Sometimes he loves it more than anything, other times he wants it to burn to the ground. This could work if the book examined the protagonist's conflicting feelings and had even a hint of nuance, instead it doesn't even seem to be aware that Rallston's personality changes entirely from one panel to the next.

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Aug 9, 2003

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Clever Spambot posted:

edit: for context i follow this thread but normally skip over ralls comics because its always a million words and bad art, so i actually don't know much of his beliefs but based on this book god drat he has some stuff goin on huh?

This book is pretty much a concentrated shot of Rall. It's definitely worst getting it all in one dose, but nothing contained is substantially different than any of his other output. There is a reason he is so hated 'round these parts. Rall's weird sexual hangups and misogyny could fill a textbook by itself.

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Aug 9, 2003

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betaraywil posted:

So is each page of 2024 supposed to like lead into meaningfully into the next?

That seems ambitious given most of the panels even don't lead into the next.

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Aug 9, 2003

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I want to cuddle green new deal.

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Aug 9, 2003

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Cloud Potato posted:

Mail:
PAUL THOMAS on... MPs jumping ship


Never thought I would say this, but I miss Mac. The new guy is just so bland, you forget the panel while reading it. Mac was a hateful old racist, but he knew how to structure a basic joke.

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Aug 9, 2003

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Scaramouche posted:

IIRC Rall's beef with MacNelly was that that he was successful and of a previous generation and it was obviously these "old boys" that were the ones keeping comic genius Ted Rall down/from more success. Part of this was he claimed no one was interested in his unique "style" because they only wanted MacNelly like art. MacNelly was actually a pretty good cartoonist, he also made Shoe and Pluggers.

Makes perfect sense. The guy was successful and well respected by his peers. There is no faster way onto Rall's shitlist.

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Aug 9, 2003

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Bombadilillo posted:

Yes Ben. Amazon in the news for the last 5 years for it's high pay good jobs.

Not workers peeing in bottles
Not someone having a bathroom dumpster baby.
Not camping outside cause they cant be late.
Not cut throat office politics destroying lives.

I do like the abrupt turn from Jeff Bezo, evil anti-trump cuck, to Jeff Bezo, hero businessman.

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Aug 9, 2003

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Jurgan posted:

Kirschen's gonna have another stroke.

He did just have another TIA, basically a ministroke.

loquacius posted:

Also "lol AOC is dumb unbalanced bimbo, she said 'chambers' instead of 'branches' that one time :xd: and she has Crazy Eyes"

Crazy eyes seems like coded language since it only ever seems to be applied to female politicians or women in power. On the other hand, how else would you even describe this picture?

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Aug 9, 2003

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FronzelNeekburm posted:

You shouldn't trust him blindly, that much is true.

The point is to scream loudly enough that people ignore all the evidence Cohen presented during that testimony.

https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/1100783947250913282

Yeah, there is a simple reason every GOP flak's response to Cohen's testimony is to attack his character. They really, really don't want to engage with the substance his testimony and the collaborating evidence.

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Aug 9, 2003

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Cloud Potato posted:

Stephen Collins:


For those who are wondering, this is what Snoodians look like.

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Aug 9, 2003

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Trapezium Dave posted:

Hunny Bunny starting her 2020 campaign strongly with a Stop This Goddamn Arc platform.

I must admit, it is a compelling pitch.

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Aug 9, 2003

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Selachian posted:

New York State has been losing population slowly, but it's mostly because of upstate cities shrinking, not NYC (sorry, Buffalonians, but no one actually WANTS to live in Buffalo).

The whole North East has been shrinking, and the sunbelt growing has been for decades now. This is not a function of politics, but rather a result of widespread availability of central air making living in a sun-baked hellhole more palatable. Add in the fact that an aging population migrates to warmer climates.

It's just conservatives attributing a long established trend as something new that is happening to spite liberals. It's similar to when Conservapedia claimed that their call to boycott the NFL was causing the Superbowl's viewership numbers to drop.

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Aug 9, 2003

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Welcome aboard, comrade Garrison. Fortunately, there are number of proven effective policy solutions. Let's talk renter's rights, clean needle exchanges, subsidized low cost housing, zoning regulation, subsidized job training, and living wages.

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Aug 9, 2003

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Jurgan posted:

Why is it cut off? Where are 3 and 4? I just added it to the wiki, but it's missing 1/3 of it. https://wikisours.karlstrom.se/wiki/Yaakov_Kirschen

I got ya, buddy.


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Aug 9, 2003

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loquacius posted:

The Important Pundit in: Silent Horror


Literally, Ted Rall.

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