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skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


In on the ground floor of a Satanic thread!

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skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Crow Jane posted:

He'll convince himself the kids are all Boo-urnsing him, most likely. Probably pissed he's expected to say something about Hawking tho, we know how he feels about scientists and the disabled.

Nah. Trump has never bothered to make any statement about people he didn't actually care about or support. There won't be any White House statement on Hawking.

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Kaine then later removed all funding for abstinence-based sex Ed once facts came out showing they didn’t work, but sure, he’s actually Bad and Wrong and a Secret Republican so let’s hate him for it

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/12/AR2007111201716.html

Please ignore his 100% score from NARAL on Senate votes, it’s impossible to be personally against abortion and also pro-choice

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/tim-kaine-abortion-predicament-225053

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Gen. Ripper posted:

That interests me: aside from Adams and Jefferson, has there ever been a case where the POTUS and VPOTUS quite clearly hated each other and were at loggerheads the whole term?

FDR and John Nance Garner worked together during FDR’s first term, but Garner was aghast at FDR’s proposal to pack the Supreme Court and helped lobby against it on the Hill. FDR responded by cutting Garner out of all administration meetings and business, and Garner essentially went home to Texas for three years to pout. At the 1940 convention, Garner showed up expecting to be a candidate for either President or Vice President and FDR’s people told him to get hosed.

William McKinley and Teddy Roosevelt got on fine enough, but McKinley’s main advisor/campaign manager/fundraiser/puppet-master Mark Hanna famously hated TR, calling him “that damned cowboy”. After the convention forced TR onto the ticket as VP, Hanna said to McKinley “Your only job for the next four years is to live”, which turned out to be the one Hanna command that McKinley couldn’t follow.

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


TapTheForwardAssist posted:

I would dearly, dearly love to see the Evangelical base react to a trans candidate who happens to tick all their boxes right down the line. Basically what they do anyway with Trump but with a taste of "sure he/she (or "he-she" for GOPers) is a blasphemy against God and Nature, but much like how God chose the pagan Cyrus as a champion..."

While amusing, it should be pointed out that while there are women, Asian-Americans, African-Americans, and Hispanics representing the party as Cabinet members, Congresspersons, Senators, and Governors, there is not one single openly gay Republican in any of those positions. they all resign once they're found out

I think if a Republican came out as anything other than cis hetero, no other issues they mentioned would be heard over the sounds of the bonfire.

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Krispy Wafer posted:

There was some shifty stuff going on with his wife and her Senate run. She got a big donation from a PAC associated with friends of the Clintons while at the same time her husband was investigating the Clinton email server. There are maybe two or three degrees of separation here, but it's close enough that McCabe shouldn't have been involved in the FBI investigation.

Trump probably believes the $500k political contribution influenced the Clinton email results. So you've got FBI (hates), Clinton (hates even more), and a wife who was almost more successful than her husband (hates the most).

That's a lie and a half-truth combined.

The lie: McCabe wasn't involved in the Clinton investigation until he was promoted into supervising it months after his wife's campaign had ended.

The half-truth: McCabe's wife ran for the Virginia State Senate, and was given money by Clinton friend Terry MacAuliffe, who also was governor of Virginia at the time, so he was responsible for fundraising for Virginia Democrats. She wasn't just given money by friends of the Clintons because friends of the Clintons were looking out for Hillary and wanted to influence her, as is heavily implied by your phrasing.

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Krispy Wafer posted:

So McCabe supervised an investigation into Clinton AFTER his wife had received a half a million dollar donation from a FoB. That absolves the Clintons from trying to buy off McCabe, but doesn't change the fact he might be prejudiced towards the people he's investigating. He shouldn't have been involved. Pick an FBI agent whose wife doesn't have big time political aspirations.

I'll be perfectly honest I did not look at the time table because either way it looks bad. It'd look worse had he already been involved in the investigation, but it doesn't look good the other way either.

He was a Deputy Director of the FBI. There is literally one of them. He was not 'picked' as an 'agent' to run the investigation, he was picked as an executive to support Comey in running the FBI, and if you're arguing that he shouldn't have been picked because his wife ran for office and received a donation from politicians who several months later would be under FBI investigation, then I guess you're arguing that no one in the FBI is allowed to have family members who run for office.

He filed his potential conflicts with the OGC. No agent or investigator is saying anything about how leaned on the investigation - this is entirely Trump and the GOP and Fox putting two people into the same circle and screaming that it obviously means that they were corrupt and passing information across and how you should know that jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams.

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It doesn't really matter since the question was about Trump's problem with McCabe, which is probably totally because he thinks McCabe engaged in a tit for tat involving his wife's Senate run.

Yes, and going "this looks pretty corrupt" like you did is making it seem like Trump has a case. He doesn't. There's no connection or corruption, there's only an rear end in a top hat throwing out smoke and screaming that it must mean someone else is on fire.

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Also, Trump doesn’t fire people. He makes it clear he hates them, but he’s too much of a coward to actually confront them or demand a resignation. Hell, Sessions offered his resignation once, and Trump backed down.

None of this bullshit that Trump is pulling is leading up to firing Sessions to fire Mueller. It’s to make it clear to
Sessions and Rosenstein that he’s very very very angry in the hopes that Sessions or Rosenstein this time will throw themselves into their swords and fire Mueller for him.

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Fred Rogers worked within the capitalist system without attempting to overthrow it; ergo, he deserves the guilliotine as much as anyone else

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


business hammocks posted:

Another school just got shot up. Is this the thread for that?

Were the dead kids capitalists?

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Potato Salad posted:

Who else is doing March For Are Lives today?

I’m babysitting my son while my wife goes out to march, because talking about politics is my thing, and actually working to change things is hers.

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


VitalSigns posted:

"You stupid hicks I want you to die, why won't you vooooote for me :qq:"

The more I see snotty liberals who think earning people's votes is beneath them, the more I realize how hosed America is probably forever.

You, of all posters except maybe Kilroy, calling someone out as snotty and condescending is hilarious

You’re so black a pot that cops can’t look at you without drawing their guns, that Norwegian death metal bands are scared of you, please keep talking about the kettles in this forum

skeleton warrior fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Mar 26, 2018

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Charliegrs posted:

Am I the only one that thinks the biggest idiots in the Cambridge Analyitica scandal are the typical Facebook users? I mean are people really that naive to think that if they make their whole lives public then there will be no repercussions? And do they understand what "public" means? Why was this the straw that broke the camel's back? For years I've been hearing stories about employers firing employees for social media posts that were slightly less than professional and yet everyone still used these stupid websites? But when word gets out that some shady company basically stole everyone's info all of a sudden everyone wants to delete their Facebook pages? I just don't get it.

There’s a difference between “idiots post a film to Facebook of them taking their daughters to desecrate a mosque, are surprised when the police cite the video during their arrest” and “reporter finds that the Facebook app on her phone has a detailed list of every call she has ever made and to whom”.

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


DreamShipWrecked posted:

I mean, they always were, right? Libertarian is another branch on the far right tree.

The classic joke is that libertarians are Republicans that love weed and kiddy porn

Wait, people who insist on being called libertarians and always scream about freedom and civil liberties and not trusting the government are actually Republicans? But isn’t Glenn Greenwald a liber


ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Jaxyon posted:

This thread is slowly being corn-avatared.

Corn-wholed, if you will

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016




So I guess Trump is hiring Rob Porter back, huh

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


moostaffa posted:

Seriously, screw super hero poo poo. Watch The Death of Stalin instead

Since people are still talking movies, I’d just like to say that I just saw this and it was outstanding. You should go see it.

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Wark Say posted:

Wait, is he admitting that we have better border laws than USA? I'm trying to make sense of his word salad. What's the over/under for him deleting this tweet to re-tweet something slightly more coherent / #MAGA!-centric?

:umberto:

Mexico is a weak state who cannot control itself, but it's also a strong state with better borders than us so we must reject it for its weakness but embrace its strengths. Yes, this is contradictory as hell, no, Trump and his sycophants won't care.

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


RottenK posted:

well for me the easiest examples are people like Peter Daou and Candice Aiston

the way they're acting and how they talk about leftists is very close to what I see from many #resistance liberals

Who the gently caress are they? Other than people that Twitter friends/algorithms put in front of you to get you pissed off and reinforce your belief that you're oppressed by Big Powerstructures?

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Brony Car posted:

As Trump would say, that makes China smart.

Modern Chinese history is, in a lot of ways, a massive reaction to the indignities forced upon the Manchus during the 19th century, where Europeans and the US forced China after military actions to allow foreigners special freedoms and legal protections. The west was mad that local Chinese law was getting in the way of their wholesome businesses like opium selling. The indignity of the situation was a massive psychological wound to the country and the culture that is nowhere close to getting healed.

That business setup that you're describing is directly tied to that historical legacy. Asking the Chinese not to have what they view as an essential safeguard from foreign dependence is going to be like talking to a wall.

American imperialism and libertarianism is simply a historical reaction to the massive psychological wound inflicted by the Stamp Act, and gives full legitimacy to all of American political actions ever.

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Mantis42 posted:

gently caress IP rights. If tech companies have their products stolen then it only serves them right for seeking out slave labor in poorer nations.

Again, it's not just a matter of "slave labor". It's that China doesn't open its markets to you to allow you to sell to the giant Chinese market without you registering your IP with the government, and amazingly, a few years after submitting all of your documents showing all of your IP to the government so that you can sell your tech in China, suddenly there are a bunch of companies in China that have your tech and are underselling you.

And they're underselling you in part because Chinese companies have absolutely no qualms in leveraging their own slave labor, and they don't need to recoup their costs in developing the tech.

And that doesn't cover the cases where a Chinese backed company offers to take over a failing US tech company, looks at all the IP in the discovery phase, then backs away from the merger while now having a copy of all the IP.

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Mantis42 posted:

Huawei stealing data is scummy but stealing 1st world tech has historically been a way for developing countries to compete. Stolen IP is probably a positive force for downward redistribution of wealth.

China's ruling elite and governing class: actually impoverished 3rd-worlders looking merely to equal the western standard of living

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


VitalSigns posted:

Oh wow that sounds grea-


Unless you're a big star you're not making a living on residuals, once again a few pennies thrown to the workers are used to justify a system where a few people hoover up all the profit, and while there's some noise about needing to protect the workers (when capitalists are also hurt), that noise disappears when say firing a bunch of workers to move production overseas is profitable for capital.

Is your argument that background actors should make a living off residuals? You do two days of work with no lines and if the show is a hit, you’re set for life?

Using your example, the Chapelle Show Season 1 CD sold 3 million copies, so that’s $360,000 in residuals spread across background actors so even if assume there were 720 across all episodes, that’s $500 in bonus.

I guess maybe if the actors were unionized, they wouldn’t get so exploited???????

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Senor Tron posted:

You're probably right, but it's worth pointing out that at this stage of his first term Reagan was showing job approval ratings of around 40%.

http://news.gallup.com/poll/11887/ronald-reagan-from-peoples-perspective-gallup-poll-review.aspx

Yes, but at this stage in his presidency, the economy was still in the depths of a horrible recession and stagflation hadn't broken yet.

edit: So, I mean, if Trump's tax cut and trade wars and level-headed confidence-boosting tweet campaign leads to 7% annual GDP growth, we can certainly discuss Trump's re-election chances in terrified awe

skeleton warrior fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Apr 9, 2018

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Herstory Begins Now posted:

so at what point in mob films do they normally arrest the lawyer and breach attorney client privilege

just before they shoot the director’s daughter

seeing that movie was possibly the worst mistake of my life

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


I can’t imagine that there’ll be a Trump tweet this morning - every time there’s been an obvious major event Trump would tweet the stupidest, brokest poo poo about, someone takes his access away. In a week, we’ll get a shitstorm over something completely different because of a story on Fox And Friends, and maybe he’ll bring up this raid and the “unfairness”, but not today.

Unless Kelly really is losing control, in which case, I look forward to the ride.

EDit: welp

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Remember that Trump thinks attorney-client privelege applies if he conspired with someone else in the same room as his lawyer

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


I was going to post something snarky about how "All Democrats Are Bad" punching-bag Governor Ralph Northam vetoed a bill banning sanctuary cities in Vriginia but I saw a much more interesting article as I was reading it:

Republican Medicaid backers say backlash is less than they expected

quote:

When the Southwest Virginia Republican returned home from Richmond after the General Assembly adjourned, ads on his local radio station were blasting him — and broadcasting his office phone number. Bankrolled by conservative powerhouse Americans for Prosperity, the ads urged voters to call and let Kilgore have it.

“Tell Kilgore to get Obamacare out of the budget,” they said.

The calls never came, even in a part of Virginia that supported Donald Trump overwhelmingly in 2016 and seemed immune to the blue wave that swept over much of Virginia last year.

“No calls, no comments,” said Kilgore, who contends his struggling coal-country district wants the “hand up” as long as Medicaid recipients are required to work and make co-pays.

“I’ve been to Republican mass meetings. I’ve been out and about, ballgames, this and that,” Kilgore said. “What I’ve heard people say is, ‘Hey, what you said made sense. We don’t mind helping people if they’re helping themselves.’”

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

So if I were looking to buy real estate in our nation's post-nuke capital, what market should I be exploring?

There's a really good high-rise on 495 between Warrington Train Yard and south of the RobCo facility. Good Metro access.

edit: gently caress, I confused Megaton and Tenpenny Tower

skeleton warrior fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Apr 11, 2018

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


R. Guyovich posted:

donald trump: fire and death will light up the sky. when old men tell of this night they shall speak in a graven whisper. i shall wreak pestilence upon their homes, and naught but ash shall remain
posters itt: wow, even more proof trump loves putin


Wow, that aged worse than my "he won't tweet" post yesterday

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Boon posted:

Thread, in light of Ryan's time coming to an end, I've made a helpful and badly laid out flowchart for how to feel about these things.



Not done in BPMN Primitives format, not acceptable to DoD standards

(also, :five:)

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


GreyjoyBastard posted:


stare longingly at his liquor cabinet?

He’s in the Navy, that’s a given

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


JasonV posted:

The reason he got angry? He told them he didn't want to expel more Russians than other countries. So, they told him the EU was expelling 60 and asked if 60 was okay for the US as well and he said it was fine. The next day he finds out that neither Germany nor France had expelled as many as the US, and flipped out at his staff because they tricked him.

He's James Buchanan to Putin's Jefferson Davis.

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


I’m sure I’m late, but lol at the garbage people in this thread who insist all the time that basic human decency means free full income and free healthcare but sympathy for the death of your mother or wife of fifty years is a priveledge to be earned

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


VitalSigns posted:

I cannot even conceive of the confusion of values that could lead to this opinion.

Sick people getting healthcare > mass murdering war profiteers getting some sympathy when they finally do something to make the world a better place for once by kicking the bucket.

And we can't have both because... oh, I guess we have to be sneeringly superior to someone, or else the internet will never validate us

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


tehinternet posted:

This post is good and right.

Don't sign your posts

:):hf::)

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Shimrra Jamaane posted:

When Trump dies how many of his wives will attend the funeral?

All of them, the real question is which are there to mourn and which are there to gloat

Wait, I’m not sure that’s actually a question

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Jesus, the doublethink there. “The Justice Department is blocking the GOP! Too bad I’m powerless to do anything about it.” “I’m leading the best negotiations with NK! But nothing might happen, whatever.”

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Prester Jane posted:

There are a couple of posters who really should have this tweet set as their AV to remind them of how loving clueless they actually are about how the world actually works. There are some extremely educated and erudite people who are learning the hard way that they are the ones who have actually spent their lives in a sheltered bubble and they're the ones who should shut the gently caress up and listen when people who know what they're talking about are speaking.

Except that they're not actually learning the hard way, because they're not suffering any consequences for their idiocy. Defenseless innocents who are having their lives destroyed are the ones who are suffering the consequences. I hope a certain few (affluent, white) computer janitors are paying attention right now, because reality is calmly dismantling there arrogant ignorance about "how bad things will never be allowed to happen".

I see which choice you made between “reading the article” and “jumping on your high horse to unequivocally declare yourself the moral superior of your hated enemy, white nerds”

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skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Prester Jane posted:

Except that we are at the point where DACA recipients are deported within 3 hours of being picked up at a restaurant, so I think the blind faith and allegiance to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer wasn't investment that did not pay off. (Which is exactly what all of the minority posters new would be the inevitable and result of this.)

According to the date on the article, we were at this point when it happened a year ago, before DACA protections were removed by Trump. So none of this vaunted “resistance” or “brilliant tactics” you insist you are the font of would actually have changed anything for this guy.

So congrats on being, like so many in this forum, wrong AND smug about it.

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